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#3 Is death ... the end?

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https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?s ... ersion=NIV
The Stoning of Stephen
54 When the members of the Sanhedrin heard this, they were furious and gnashed their teeth at him. 55 But Stephen, full of the Holy Spirit, looked up to heaven and saw the glory of God, and Jesus standing at the right hand of God. 56 “Look,” he said, “I see heaven open and the Son of Man standing at the right hand of God.”

57 At this they covered their ears and, yelling at the top of their voices, they all rushed at him, 58 dragged him out of the city and began to stone him. Meanwhile, the witnesses laid their coats at the feet of a young man named Saul.

59 While they were stoning him, Stephen prayed, “Lord Jesus, receive my spirit.” 60 Then he fell on his knees and cried out, “Lord, do not hold this sin against them.” When he had said this, he fell asleep.
Is Stephen wrong to call out to Jesus and not to God?
Can anyone see the trinity in the Spirit, God and Jesus in this passage?
Was Stephen's expectation to die and go into God's memory?

Or

How about God is a trinity and calling out to Jesus is the same as calling to God. When Stephen called out to God his expectation was to to have his Spirit to go to Heaven and be with God and when he was killed the bible uses the verse asleep because that is what his body is and not because the Bible is skittish about using the word death and only uses metaphors?
Proverbs 18:17 The one who states his case first seems right, until the other comes and examines him.

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JehovahsWitness wrote: Sun Feb 06, 2022 11:08 pm
Wootah wrote: Sun Feb 06, 2022 5:21 pm Granted I introduced the trinity into the question - but the question is where did Stephen think he was going when he died?
I did answer ...

JehovahsWitness wrote: Fri Feb 04, 2022 7:26 am
  • Steven did expect to go to heaven and from the record of his faith we can presume he did. There is no way to tell when he expected to get there



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So you think he is in heaven or in God's memory?
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Wootah wrote: Mon Feb 07, 2022 6:02 pm
So you think he is in heaven or in God's memory*?
Now, as in this year (2022)...? I believe he is in heaven. He arrived there around the year 1914 . (Prior to that he was dead in the grave (non-existent) but God never forgot him*).
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In three different threads, Wootah wrote: Thu Feb 03, 2022 4:56 pm
Is death ... the end?

Yes, death is the end of an individual:
Romans 6:23 wrote:
For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.


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myth-one.com wrote: Sat Feb 12, 2022 9:34 pm
In three different threads, Wootah wrote: Thu Feb 03, 2022 4:56 pm
Is death ... the end?

Yes, death is the end of an individual:
Yes. Complete obliteration. Yet most are in Jehovah's memory, and the wicked are ultimately annihilated. The righteous are resurrected and the wicked are dismissed from life.

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onewithhim wrote: Tue Feb 15, 2022 3:33 pm
myth-one.com wrote: Sat Feb 12, 2022 9:34 pm
In three different threads, Wootah wrote: Thu Feb 03, 2022 4:56 pm
Is death ... the end?

Yes, death is the end of an individual:
Yes. Complete obliteration. Yet most are in Jehovah's memory, and the wicked are ultimately annihilated. The righteous are resurrected and the wicked are dismissed from life.
The righteous and the wicked, and everyone in between are resurrected from their "first" death:
I Corinthians 15:22-23 wrote:For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive. But every man in his own order: Christ the first fruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.
Believers will be resurrected to everlasting spiritual bodied life at the Second Coming, and nonbelievers will be resurrected a thousand years later as humans and face judgment.

Following judgment, those who names are not written in the Book of Life are cast into the lake of fire and quickly suffer their second death. Those who have their names written in the Book of Life after the judgment join those who were resurrected to everlasting spiritual life at the Second Coming.

Yes, the second death is as you say -- "Complete obliteration."

Even the memory of them will be obliterated:
Ecclesiastes 9:5 wrote:For the living know that they shall die: but the dead know not any thing, neither have they any more a reward; for the memory of them is forgotten.

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myth-one.com wrote: Tue Feb 15, 2022 5:08 pm
onewithhim wrote: Tue Feb 15, 2022 3:33 pm
myth-one.com wrote: Sat Feb 12, 2022 9:34 pm
In three different threads, Wootah wrote: Thu Feb 03, 2022 4:56 pm
Is death ... the end?

Yes, death is the end of an individual:
Yes. Complete obliteration. Yet most are in Jehovah's memory, and the wicked are ultimately annihilated. The righteous are resurrected and the wicked are dismissed from life.
The righteous and the wicked, and everyone in between are resurrected from their "first" death:
I Corinthians 15:22-23 wrote:For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive. But every man in his own order: Christ the first fruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.
Believers will be resurrected to everlasting spiritual bodied life at the Second Coming, and nonbelievers will be resurrected a thousand years later as humans and face judgment.
You're right about the first resurrection being for the anointed ones, and the second is for the people with earthly hope. Yes, just about everyone who has died will be resurrected "in the last day" (John 6:40,44). Just not the ones destroyed at Armageddon. Then at the end of the 1,000 years the irredeemable people who take a stand against Almighty God will be destroyed along with Satan.

The people who are resurrected in the second resurrection and who remain faithful will live on Earth forever, in physical, perfect bodies. How awesome! We get to do all the things we like doing now, except with perfect bodies this time, and we don't have to ever stop. Imagine....you would love to play the piano or guitar; you will be able to learn and to play well (maybe perfectly) after practicing for a while, and not only the piano or guitar but you can learn all the other instruments as well---whatever you enjoy doing---forever! Keeping horses? We'll be able to have horses and other animals to have as our friends and to take care of. There will be no animosity between us and the animals. (Isaiah 11:6-9) I await this time, trying to be patient. :)

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Death is not the end with G-d is not never the end he with us even beyond that.

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onewithhim wrote: Tue Feb 15, 2022 8:41 pm Yes, just about everyone who has died will be resurrected "in the last day" (John 6:40,44).
All will be resurrected, just not in the last day:
I Corinthians 15:22 wrote:For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.
onewithhim wrote: Tue Feb 15, 2022 8:41 pm The people who are resurrected in the second resurrection and who remain faithful will live on Earth forever, in physical, perfect bodies. How awesome!
God sets the rules as follows under the New Testament Covenant:
John 3:16 wrote:For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him, should not perish, but have everlasting life.
This divides all mankind into two groups -- believers and nonbelievers.

All deceased nonbelievers are resurrected in the second resurrection. They were unfaithful when buried. How can they remain faithful if they were not resurrected as faithful?

The biblical truth is that every individual man or woman will make an informed decision about accepting or rejecting everlasting life.

There are two type of bodies -- natural and spiritual.

Believers gain everlasting spiritual bodied life and nonbelievers lose for all eternity the natural body which gives them life.

It is a simple binary choice -- choose either everlasting life or everlasting death.

There is no third choice of remaining alive by remaining faithful.

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God will honor either choice -- everlasting life or everlasting death.

But God will not force everlasting life on anyone.

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michaelgabriel88 wrote: Wed Feb 16, 2022 2:19 am Death is not the end with G-d is not never the end he with us even beyond that.
True. He remembers those that die, and he will bring them back to life "in the last day." (John 6:40,44) They are now all in Jehovah's memory.

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[Replying to myth-one.com in post #18]

"...There is going to be a resurrection of both the righteous and the unrighteous." (Acts 24:15)

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