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#3 Is death ... the end?

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https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?s ... ersion=NIV
The Stoning of Stephen
54 When the members of the Sanhedrin heard this, they were furious and gnashed their teeth at him. 55 But Stephen, full of the Holy Spirit, looked up to heaven and saw the glory of God, and Jesus standing at the right hand of God. 56 “Look,” he said, “I see heaven open and the Son of Man standing at the right hand of God.”

57 At this they covered their ears and, yelling at the top of their voices, they all rushed at him, 58 dragged him out of the city and began to stone him. Meanwhile, the witnesses laid their coats at the feet of a young man named Saul.

59 While they were stoning him, Stephen prayed, “Lord Jesus, receive my spirit.” 60 Then he fell on his knees and cried out, “Lord, do not hold this sin against them.” When he had said this, he fell asleep.
Is Stephen wrong to call out to Jesus and not to God?
Can anyone see the trinity in the Spirit, God and Jesus in this passage?
Was Stephen's expectation to die and go into God's memory?

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How about God is a trinity and calling out to Jesus is the same as calling to God. When Stephen called out to God his expectation was to to have his Spirit to go to Heaven and be with God and when he was killed the bible uses the verse asleep because that is what his body is and not because the Bible is skittish about using the word death and only uses metaphors?
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  • Is Stephen wrong to call out to Jesus and not to God? No, Jesus is who he was looking at, so Jesus is who he called to ; Peter did the same when he was walking on/sinking in water
  • Can anyone see the trinity in the Spirit, God and Jesus in this passage? No, trinity refers to three persons, only one is here mentioned
  • Was Stephen's expectation to die and go into God's memory? Yes if he properly understood bible truths. He clearly did not expect God to forget him
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Wootah wrote: Thu Feb 03, 2022 4:56 pm Or

How about God is a trinity and calling out to Jesus is the same as calling to God.When Stephen called out to God his expectation was to to have his Spirit to go to Heaven and be with God and when he was killed the bible uses the verse asleep because that is what his body is and not because the Bible is skittish about using the word death and only uses metaphors?
Emphasis MINE
  • No because neither the word nor the notion of a "trinity" of coequal and co-eternal gods is biblical.
  • Steven did expect to go to heaven and from the record of his faith we can presume he did. There is no way to tell when he expected to get there
  • When Jesus used the metaphor of sleep for death it wasnt because he was "skittish about" using the Word but because he wanted to communicate something about the experience/condition of the dead. It would have been entirely inappropriate if what he had wanted to communicate was that people continued conscious existence in another form, because conscousness is NOT something most people associated with sleep
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Wootah wrote: Thu Feb 03, 2022 4:56 pm ...How about God is a trinity and calling out to Jesus is the same as calling to God...
If God is Trinity, why didn’t he call Trinity?

Bible tells:

Jesus came to them and spoke to them, saying, “All authority has been given to me in heaven and on earth.
Matt. 28:18

Maybe that is the reason why he spoke to Jesus?

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[Replying to 1213 in post #4]

How about Jesus is not part of a trinity?

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1213 wrote: Fri Feb 04, 2022 12:56 pm
Wootah wrote: Thu Feb 03, 2022 4:56 pm ...How about God is a trinity and calling out to Jesus is the same as calling to God...
If God is Trinity, why didn’t he call Trinity?

Bible tells:

Jesus came to them and spoke to them, saying, “All authority has been given to me in heaven and on earth.
Matt. 28:18

Maybe that is the reason why he spoke to Jesus?
For you - someone has inserted themselves above God.
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onewithhim wrote: Sat Feb 05, 2022 2:49 pm [Replying to 1213 in post #4]

How about Jesus is not part of a trinity?
Sorry, I don't think trinity is Biblical teaching.

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1213 wrote: Sun Feb 06, 2022 9:57 am
onewithhim wrote: Sat Feb 05, 2022 2:49 pm [Replying to 1213 in post #4]

How about Jesus is not part of a trinity?
Sorry, I don't think trinity is Biblical teaching.
I agree.

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Granted I introduced the trinity into the question - but the question is where did Stephen think he was going when he died?
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Wootah wrote: Sun Feb 06, 2022 5:21 pm Granted I introduced the trinity into the question - but the question is where did Stephen think he was going when he died?
I did answer ...

JehovahsWitness wrote: Fri Feb 04, 2022 7:26 am
  • Steven did expect to go to heaven and from the record of his faith we can presume he did. There is no way to tell when he expected to get there



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