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Do we have freewill or is it biblical ? Does applied to us ?

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We have freewill God lets us decide to do good or bad and our purpose in life is when we make that decision. it?s easy to not know that purpose because we are different. But freewill God gives it but he also gives us the law and the law is not wrong and niether is freewill just soceity itself is wrong and we have forgotten what is the normal back in those days. Society mistakes and thinks G-d is against freewill but gave freewill the right to choose and they have invented freewill is voting, paying taxes, and civics duties.

No people those things are the mistake modern society makes because they think they have evolved in such A way they surpass all of Israel back in those day but truth G-d is fair and gave us all. We have lost what is important love because human society is wrong and it?s foundation is false and invented by masons.

G-d created it all the rocks, the atmosphere, everything has been giving and from all that we have built buildings and empires everything we have built has come from him modern world is our work and act but we do not acknowledge them we take the glory and everything for we are sinful. The concept of government we have created but we emulated it from G-d and his kingdom the order G-d has it first, the structure he establish since the dawn of the universe.

We have created rights but we cannot use our rights agaisnt G-d and say he has violated them or civic manner say our freedom and establishment of our democracy hits against G-d and his kingdom. For he has the kingdom and the law. The law of his word and we do not have that for G-d gave us words but we are babylon the law is only his. Nor it belongs to hebrew people, eunuchs, or angels it only belongs to him to judge.

Our own system is flaw because we copy from each empire that has been establish Babylon, Rome, Greece, Britian, and Nazi Germany. Each has given its concept of right and law and all have copied each other and failed. Because again bible has establish that G-d and his system works and we with our notion of democracy and rights have copied on Rome and Babylon and they are wrong.

The most important things that because we have technology which has help us after world war 2 we think we have surpass it all and enter the digitla world and we circumvalent our promblems of family, corruption, and normal things we had before the 1950?s and think we are gods. And we want to be eternal and to be like powerful like G-d because it is what we have always been thinking because all of it is copy. When we are original and have the right system like he does everything works but our government and system does not because we are with flaws and our own boundaries aren?t the solutions they are A reminder that we will never have A perfect system thus our rights and belief in them cannot be the truth.

The freewill is revealed that there is A difference from freewill with G-d on accepting the right and wrong and succeeding in that way and from freewill from our modern concept which has failed and clashes with G-d?s law which is right and truth and unless we do not use our rights against G-d freewill is that what we make only A lie and it existence false.

Freewill from that point of view is that of society and since society has masonry in it and all foundations of masonery is babylon and Dagon it compells people to make G-d like unfair despotism but you cannot apply that to G-d for he is G-d and he is God of Gods those words are just feeble people who make laws copying the old empires and fallacy arrives in it?s policy.

There is A way government can follow G-d?s politics but that will be another day. But people and society will always collapse confronting and using thier rights and saying there is no freewill when you have to one understand things from G-d?s point of view understand what serveth the law, how the law is completed thru love and how faith as A tool helps you make A better realtionship with G-d.

When you find the truth and love in his way that G-d establish thru Jesus Christ you understand A secret way which freewill co-exist with G-d and love is what that bound unites it and makes freewill work but not under modern society but thru G-d mosaic law and know that is true freewill has been given to you but from the stance of modern world and republics establish go into error.

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Let me rephrase.. .
Miles wrote: Wed Feb 16, 2022 5:43 pm
michaelgabriel88 wrote: Wed Feb 16, 2022 4:42 pm We have freewill
Prove it.
Miles wrote: Sun Feb 20, 2022 1:58 pm But as a helpful FYI, it might be well to remember that verifiable proof is only applicable in mathematics, formal/symbolic logic, and in expressing alcohol content.




May I ask you why you asked for proof when according to you such a demand is only applicable in mathematics, formal/symbolic logic, and in expressing alcohol content.?


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[Replying to Tcg in post #29]

The lord is not bound by our standars remember that for he is above time and space and he is God is he soveriegn and not, remember he does not base on our limitations he has words and go around it to make his will go because you see your logic and our and mine of humans cannot stop he's ways of thinking our ways are just primitive and he angels can go finish his will. So know he can do it for he is not bound by our rules of ways of thinking he is nice to us but he power and mind has no limits to do it alll.

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JehovahsWitness wrote: Tue Feb 22, 2022 11:11 pm Let me rephrase.. .
Miles wrote: Wed Feb 16, 2022 5:43 pm
michaelgabriel88 wrote: Wed Feb 16, 2022 4:42 pm We have freewill
Prove it.
Miles wrote: Sun Feb 20, 2022 1:58 pm But as a helpful FYI, it might be well to remember that verifiable proof is only applicable in mathematics, formal/symbolic logic, and in expressing alcohol content.
May I ask you why you asked for proof when according to you such a demand is only applicable in mathematics, formal/symbolic logic, and in expressing alcohol content.?
Yeah, Considering the circumstances, in this particular case I think "prove" is the best word to use, as inappropriate and misleading as it is. And no, I don't feel explaining the circumstances is appropriate.



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Miles wrote: Wed Feb 23, 2022 1:36 am
JehovahsWitness wrote: Tue Feb 22, 2022 11:11 pm Let me rephrase.. .
Miles wrote: Wed Feb 16, 2022 5:43 pm
michaelgabriel88 wrote: Wed Feb 16, 2022 4:42 pm We have freewill
Prove it.
Miles wrote: Sun Feb 20, 2022 1:58 pm But as a helpful FYI, it might be well to remember that verifiable proof is only applicable in mathematics, formal/symbolic logic, and in expressing alcohol content.
May I ask you why you asked for proof when according to you such a demand is only applicable in mathematics, formal/symbolic logic, and in expressing alcohol content.?
Yeah, Considering the circumstances, in this particular case I think "prove" is the best word to use, as inappropriate and misleading as it is. And no, I don't feel explaining the circumstances is appropriate.



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I see. You chose to use an "inappropriate and misleading " word, and {quote} " ... don't feel explaining the circumstances...". This is akin to asking someone to explain the hole in their shoe when adding that the word "explain" was not the appropriate term and whether "hole" and "shoe" are actually involved remains a unclear to everyone bar the enquierer since they "don't feel like explaining the circumstances"

Given the above I really dont see how you can reasonably expect a response, if in fact that was what you were expecting.
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michaelgabriel88 wrote: Tue Feb 22, 2022 11:26 pm [Replying to Tcg in post #29]

The lord is not bound by our standars remember that for he is above time and space and he is God is he soveriegn and not, remember he does not base on our limitations he has words and go around it to make his will go because you see your logic and our and mine of humans cannot stop he's ways of thinking our ways are just primitive and he angels can go finish his will. So know he can do it for he is not bound by our rules of ways of thinking he is nice to us but he power and mind has no limits to do it alll.
Yes, but he is gracious enough to bend to our level on many things. For instance, some may think that we cannot know him because he is so beyond our miniscule understanding, but he has made it so that we CAN know him...he wants us to know him. He gave us the Bible so that we can know how to do that. We are also "made in his image." That means we have to some degree his attributes, love, wisdom, power and justice. Because of this generous gift to His creation of man, we can understand basic truths as outlined in the Scriptures.

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JehovahsWitness wrote: Wed Feb 23, 2022 7:27 am
Miles wrote: Wed Feb 23, 2022 1:36 am
JehovahsWitness wrote: Tue Feb 22, 2022 11:11 pm Let me rephrase.. .
Miles wrote: Wed Feb 16, 2022 5:43 pm
michaelgabriel88 wrote: Wed Feb 16, 2022 4:42 pm We have freewill
Prove it.
Miles wrote: Sun Feb 20, 2022 1:58 pm But as a helpful FYI, it might be well to remember that verifiable proof is only applicable in mathematics, formal/symbolic logic, and in expressing alcohol content.
May I ask you why you asked for proof when according to you such a demand is only applicable in mathematics, formal/symbolic logic, and in expressing alcohol content.?
Yeah, Considering the circumstances, in this particular case I think "prove" is the best word to use, as inappropriate and misleading as it is. And no, I don't feel explaining the circumstances is appropriate.



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I see. You chose to use an "inappropriate and misleading " word, and {quote} " ... don't feel explaining the circumstances...". This is akin to asking someone to explain the hole in their shoe when adding that the word "explain" was not the appropriate term and whether "hole" and "shoe" are actually involved remains a unclear to everyone bar the enquierer since they "don't feel like explaining the circumstances"

Given the above I really dont see how you can reasonably expect a response, if in fact that was what you were expecting.

Which is just fine.



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People the question do we have freewill ? is it biblical ?


Their is no word in hebrew that is freewill you need to put 2 hebrews for that and the concept is that they have A decision and choice to do good or evil and God gave it. Question did the enemy had A choice becaus of his rebellion. I don't like the devil and do not want to say but he ahd A choice and he did bad and good. The nature of good and evil or conscience of existence the choice ? People just make things more simple just do good and put htings in God's ahnds and he will make your choice over the apth he agve the power to move it and do good not bad.

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People the scripture uses the word "will"
בצוואה
and "free"
But to describe a person as free, as in not a slave, you’d say בֶּן/בַּת חוֹרִין (ben/baht hoh-REEN

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Free and will do exist but to make in concept it is need the thing of freedom and good and evil the conscience to be able in hebrew in writting but they cuould not explain they did not have the experience of government,freedom of women, freedom of slavery, and concept of theology were needed but still the base is that choice by God to be with him in doing good or evil but consequence is death for evil or eternal life for good.


Their is gray area and that is Elijah's error, Moses Error, and Huldah as prophets that they made mistakes and change the destiny of the plan of God but God cover it with forgivness and let them learn from thier errors for A purpose and all purpose being good or evil will be in the end A happy ending in revelations. Put things in God hands and put love they God and nieghbor and he will do the rest ;D.

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Mans will isnt free from Gods sovereign control nor from its sinful heart, yet man is accountable for his sinful actions.

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