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Do we have freewill or is it biblical ? Does applied to us ?

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We have freewill God lets us decide to do good or bad and our purpose in life is when we make that decision. it?s easy to not know that purpose because we are different. But freewill God gives it but he also gives us the law and the law is not wrong and niether is freewill just soceity itself is wrong and we have forgotten what is the normal back in those days. Society mistakes and thinks G-d is against freewill but gave freewill the right to choose and they have invented freewill is voting, paying taxes, and civics duties.

No people those things are the mistake modern society makes because they think they have evolved in such A way they surpass all of Israel back in those day but truth G-d is fair and gave us all. We have lost what is important love because human society is wrong and it?s foundation is false and invented by masons.

G-d created it all the rocks, the atmosphere, everything has been giving and from all that we have built buildings and empires everything we have built has come from him modern world is our work and act but we do not acknowledge them we take the glory and everything for we are sinful. The concept of government we have created but we emulated it from G-d and his kingdom the order G-d has it first, the structure he establish since the dawn of the universe.

We have created rights but we cannot use our rights agaisnt G-d and say he has violated them or civic manner say our freedom and establishment of our democracy hits against G-d and his kingdom. For he has the kingdom and the law. The law of his word and we do not have that for G-d gave us words but we are babylon the law is only his. Nor it belongs to hebrew people, eunuchs, or angels it only belongs to him to judge.

Our own system is flaw because we copy from each empire that has been establish Babylon, Rome, Greece, Britian, and Nazi Germany. Each has given its concept of right and law and all have copied each other and failed. Because again bible has establish that G-d and his system works and we with our notion of democracy and rights have copied on Rome and Babylon and they are wrong.

The most important things that because we have technology which has help us after world war 2 we think we have surpass it all and enter the digitla world and we circumvalent our promblems of family, corruption, and normal things we had before the 1950?s and think we are gods. And we want to be eternal and to be like powerful like G-d because it is what we have always been thinking because all of it is copy. When we are original and have the right system like he does everything works but our government and system does not because we are with flaws and our own boundaries aren?t the solutions they are A reminder that we will never have A perfect system thus our rights and belief in them cannot be the truth.

The freewill is revealed that there is A difference from freewill with G-d on accepting the right and wrong and succeeding in that way and from freewill from our modern concept which has failed and clashes with G-d?s law which is right and truth and unless we do not use our rights against G-d freewill is that what we make only A lie and it existence false.

Freewill from that point of view is that of society and since society has masonry in it and all foundations of masonery is babylon and Dagon it compells people to make G-d like unfair despotism but you cannot apply that to G-d for he is G-d and he is God of Gods those words are just feeble people who make laws copying the old empires and fallacy arrives in it?s policy.

There is A way government can follow G-d?s politics but that will be another day. But people and society will always collapse confronting and using thier rights and saying there is no freewill when you have to one understand things from G-d?s point of view understand what serveth the law, how the law is completed thru love and how faith as A tool helps you make A better realtionship with G-d.

When you find the truth and love in his way that G-d establish thru Jesus Christ you understand A secret way which freewill co-exist with G-d and love is what that bound unites it and makes freewill work but not under modern society but thru G-d mosaic law and know that is true freewill has been given to you but from the stance of modern world and republics establish go into error.

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Miles wrote: Wed Feb 16, 2022 5:43 pm
michaelgabriel88 wrote: Wed Feb 16, 2022 4:42 pm We have freewill
Prove it.
Miles wrote: Sun Feb 20, 2022 1:58 pm But as a helpful FYI, it might be well to remember that verifiable proof is only applicable in mathematics, formal/symbolic logic, and in expressing alcohol content.
Did you forget the above or just which forum you are in?


FYI : Reddit » Learn Math
https://www.feedspot.com/infiniterss.ph ... ath%2F.rss
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michaelgabriel88 wrote: Wed Feb 16, 2022 4:42 pm ... is it biblical ?

Yes FREE WILL it is indeed a fondamental biblical concept.

JEHOVAH (YHWH)
REVELATION 4:11
because you created all things, and because of your will they came into existence and were created


MATTHEW 6:9, 10
Our Father in the heavens, let your name be sanctified. Let your Kingdom come. Let your will take place

JESUS

MARK 14:36 KJV

And He said, "Abba, Father, all things are possible for You. Take this cup away from Me; nevertheless, not what I will, but what You will
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HUMANS

JOHN 1:13 Weymouth New Testament

... begotten as such not by human descent, nor through an impulse of their own nature, nor through the will of a human father, but from God.
2 PETER 1:21 Good News Translation

For no prophetic message ever came just from the human will, but people were under the control of the Holy Spirit as they spoke the message that came from God.
DEUTERONOMY 30:19 NET Bible

... I have set life and death, blessing and curse, before you. Therefore choose life so that you and your descendants may live!
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JehovahsWitness wrote: Sat Feb 19, 2022 9:27 am If by "free will" you mean : the ability to choose between two or more possible options then yes we do have free will; this is self evident since people can be seen to make choices everyday. There is nobody that can prove those choices are in fact being controlled by some unseen entity.

Is the notion of autonomous choice biblical?

Yes, absolutely.


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Yes.

My goodness, if we didn't have the ability to choose, we'd all be robots.

Why would God want to be worshipped by robots?

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onewithhim wrote: Tue Feb 22, 2022 9:04 am
JehovahsWitness wrote: Sat Feb 19, 2022 9:27 am If by "free will" you mean : the ability to choose between two or more possible options then yes we do have free will; this is self evident since people can be seen to make choices everyday. There is nobody that can prove those choices are in fact being controlled by some unseen entity.

Is the notion of autonomous choice biblical?

Yes, absolutely.


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Yes.

My goodness, if we didn't have the ability to choose, we'd all be robots.

Why would God want to be worshipped by robots?
I'd ask why god wants to be worshipped at all? Seems very ego-centric; unbecoming of such a loving and carrying god it's said to be.
Have a great, potentially godless, day!

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nobspeople wrote: Tue Feb 22, 2022 11:41 am
onewithhim wrote: Tue Feb 22, 2022 9:04 am
JehovahsWitness wrote: Sat Feb 19, 2022 9:27 am If by "free will" you mean : the ability to choose between two or more possible options then yes we do have free will; this is self evident since people can be seen to make choices everyday. There is nobody that can prove those choices are in fact being controlled by some unseen entity.

Is the notion of autonomous choice biblical?

Yes, absolutely.


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Yes.

My goodness, if we didn't have the ability to choose, we'd all be robots.

Why would God want to be worshipped by robots?
I'd ask why god wants to be worshipped at all? Seems very ego-centric; unbecoming of such a loving and carrying god it's said to be.
Jehovah deserves to be worshipped, because he created all things and it is because of him that we live and breathe. Wouldn't it be folly to worship anyone or anything else? He insists on our worship going to him because it would be harmful to us to divert our love and appreciation to some other person or thing. What good would come from worshipping a lifeless idol or the Devil or money or a ball player? Why not give God the love and appreciation that only he deserves? Jesus was fine with that. It's part of what he taught.

"'You must love Jehovah your God with your whole heart and with your whole soul and with your whole mind. This is the greatest and first commandment.'" (Matthew 22:37,38)

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[Replying to onewithhim in post #26]
Jehovah deserves to be worshipped
Any perfect being that creates the world, allows sin to enter it, then gets upset when it knew what was coming; any being that drowns 99.9% of the entire planet (including innocent children and animals) because it allowed the world to become 'bad' in its view; any being that allows a book to be written about it in such a way that it's ambiguous and causes confusion not only with non-believers but within it's own house; any being that says 'I'm not providing any facts to you but instead require you to live by faith and then I'll send you to hell for not accepting me' deserves a lot of things. Worship, is not one of them IMO.
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onewithhim wrote: Tue Feb 22, 2022 11:57 am
nobspeople wrote: Tue Feb 22, 2022 11:41 am
onewithhim wrote: Tue Feb 22, 2022 9:04 am
JehovahsWitness wrote: Sat Feb 19, 2022 9:27 am If by "free will" you mean : the ability to choose between two or more possible options then yes we do have free will; this is self evident since people can be seen to make choices everyday. There is nobody that can prove those choices are in fact being controlled by some unseen entity.

Is the notion of autonomous choice biblical?

Yes, absolutely.


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Yes.

My goodness, if we didn't have the ability to choose, we'd all be robots.

Why would God want to be worshiped by robots?
I'd ask why god wants to be worshipped at all? Seems very ego-centric; unbecoming of such a loving and carrying god it's said to be.
Jehovah deserves to be worshipped, because he created all things and it is because of him that we live and breathe. Wouldn't it be folly to worship anyone or anything else? He insists on our worship going to him because it would be harmful to us to divert our love and appreciation to some other person or thing. What good would come from worshipping a lifeless idol or the Devil or money or a ball player? Why not give God the love and appreciation that only he deserves? Jesus was fine with that. It's part of what he taught.

"'You must love Jehovah your God with your whole heart and with your whole soul and with your whole mind. This is the greatest and first commandment.'" (Matthew 22:37,38)

I agree.


Why anyone not want to worshipp such a magificent, loving and generous God is beyond me! I love him so much and view it a grand privilege to worship my heavenly father!



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michaelgabriel88 wrote: Mon Feb 21, 2022 9:44 am [Replying to Tcg in post #15]

Yes it can G-d can do it all.
How so? How can God be both sovereign and not sovereign?


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