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Do we have freewill or is it biblical ? Does applied to us ?

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We have freewill God lets us decide to do good or bad and our purpose in life is when we make that decision. it?s easy to not know that purpose because we are different. But freewill God gives it but he also gives us the law and the law is not wrong and niether is freewill just soceity itself is wrong and we have forgotten what is the normal back in those days. Society mistakes and thinks G-d is against freewill but gave freewill the right to choose and they have invented freewill is voting, paying taxes, and civics duties.

No people those things are the mistake modern society makes because they think they have evolved in such A way they surpass all of Israel back in those day but truth G-d is fair and gave us all. We have lost what is important love because human society is wrong and it?s foundation is false and invented by masons.

G-d created it all the rocks, the atmosphere, everything has been giving and from all that we have built buildings and empires everything we have built has come from him modern world is our work and act but we do not acknowledge them we take the glory and everything for we are sinful. The concept of government we have created but we emulated it from G-d and his kingdom the order G-d has it first, the structure he establish since the dawn of the universe.

We have created rights but we cannot use our rights agaisnt G-d and say he has violated them or civic manner say our freedom and establishment of our democracy hits against G-d and his kingdom. For he has the kingdom and the law. The law of his word and we do not have that for G-d gave us words but we are babylon the law is only his. Nor it belongs to hebrew people, eunuchs, or angels it only belongs to him to judge.

Our own system is flaw because we copy from each empire that has been establish Babylon, Rome, Greece, Britian, and Nazi Germany. Each has given its concept of right and law and all have copied each other and failed. Because again bible has establish that G-d and his system works and we with our notion of democracy and rights have copied on Rome and Babylon and they are wrong.

The most important things that because we have technology which has help us after world war 2 we think we have surpass it all and enter the digitla world and we circumvalent our promblems of family, corruption, and normal things we had before the 1950?s and think we are gods. And we want to be eternal and to be like powerful like G-d because it is what we have always been thinking because all of it is copy. When we are original and have the right system like he does everything works but our government and system does not because we are with flaws and our own boundaries aren?t the solutions they are A reminder that we will never have A perfect system thus our rights and belief in them cannot be the truth.

The freewill is revealed that there is A difference from freewill with G-d on accepting the right and wrong and succeeding in that way and from freewill from our modern concept which has failed and clashes with G-d?s law which is right and truth and unless we do not use our rights against G-d freewill is that what we make only A lie and it existence false.

Freewill from that point of view is that of society and since society has masonry in it and all foundations of masonery is babylon and Dagon it compells people to make G-d like unfair despotism but you cannot apply that to G-d for he is G-d and he is God of Gods those words are just feeble people who make laws copying the old empires and fallacy arrives in it?s policy.

There is A way government can follow G-d?s politics but that will be another day. But people and society will always collapse confronting and using thier rights and saying there is no freewill when you have to one understand things from G-d?s point of view understand what serveth the law, how the law is completed thru love and how faith as A tool helps you make A better realtionship with G-d.

When you find the truth and love in his way that G-d establish thru Jesus Christ you understand A secret way which freewill co-exist with G-d and love is what that bound unites it and makes freewill work but not under modern society but thru G-d mosaic law and know that is true freewill has been given to you but from the stance of modern world and republics establish go into error.

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michaelgabriel88 wrote: Wed Feb 16, 2022 4:42 pm We have freewill
Prove it. Simply claiming it exists just doesn't cut it. Lay out your evidence.

God lets us decide to do good or bad and our purpose in life is when we make that decision.
That's our purpose in life? Deciding to do good or bad? Really???

But freewill God gives it but he also gives us the law and the law is not wrong and niether is freewill just soceity itself is wrong and we have forgotten what is the normal back in those days.
So, I assume, when he tells Christians to kill all practicing male homosexuals (part of the law. Leviticus 20:13 ) that isn't wrong, but good. Let me ask; did you kill your quota of practicing gays for 2021?


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Do we have freewill or is it biblical ? Does applied to us ?
No where in scripture is it stated man has a freewill. In fact scripture indicates that man by nature is dead in sin and a servant of sin. Our will is a slave to sin, not free.

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We start from the beggining when Adam was giving the power to name the animals G-d gave him freewill to choose Genesis 2:20.
20 The man gave names to all livestock and to the birds of the heavens and to every beast of the field. But for Adam there was not found a helper fit for him.


Here G-d gives Adam gives him ability to think for himself and he decide the animals name.


There is difference from the freewill Hebrew people back in the days of Noah and Moses when the law was directed to G-d’s people they had freewill to decide. Their decision is under the law because they did not know other religions or ways they were narrowminded but still the decision from good and evil existed. Did the errors of their fathers before them I mean the fall of Adam stopped them making decisions in their life. Israel did what they want based still of need of surviving. Killing, eating, proceating needs of humanity but no matter what the error of Adam did not take freewill from them.


Romans 7:19 “For the good that I want, I do not do, but I practice the very evil that I do not want.”


Ezekiel 18:20 “The person who sins will die. The son will not bear the punishment for the father’s iniquity, nor will the father bear the punishment for the son’s iniquity; the righteousness of the righteous will be upon himself, and the wickedness of the wicked will be upon himself.”


Psalm 110:2 “Your people will volunteer freely in the day of Your power; In holy array, from the womb of the dawn, Your youth are to You as the dew.”


From the day pagans evolved into modern world and establish their own way. Even thou they seperated from their pagan worhsip Rome forced them to mix their deities and influence with christianism and robbed the followers of Christ of Jesus and they painted him white. Named the G-d of Israel to Zeus and change their panteon.


Hebrew law or mosaic law reminds people to obey but G-d has taken prophets to save and do the will of G-d in wars, missions, and choosing good and evil. They break the law in disobeying G-d, prophets like Jeremiah who chose G-d disobey tradition and his father and told Israel their errors and love for the temple forgotten the temple inside they are made of. Kick Jeremiah out of their circle rejected from society he continued, we have Elijah who many don’t talk about but he change the words of G-d and sentence Jezabel but G-d only wanted to punish Jezabel but Elijah added her family as punishment. G-d was angry at Elijah but forgave him. Still G-d’s plan was only Jezabel but he made an exception for Elijah and freewill existed and changed yes G-d allows it.


People can change their course in life but what is the promblem from today. Is how the Greek way of thinking of liberalism was popular in the time of Jesus.


James 2:12 “So speak and so act as those who are to be judged by the law of liberty.”


2 Corinthians 3:17 “Now the Lord is the Spirit, and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty.”


And Greeks influence the time of jesus that people like Luke wrote his book in the bible and later Catholic church not knowing fully Hebrew culture copied things from greeks and influence the bible. Remember they were not G-d’s people but A country that stoled and wrote their intrepretation of G-d and took Jesus as an emblema that is not real.


Greek theology is freedom and rationalist thought, Hebrew people is Law and Relation with the one G-d. Greeks have influence the modernworld and gives them right, the western world copies Greek and Roman culture and their diffinity in their laws have given the modern topic freewill. So freewill clashes with freewill in the old times. That is why everything has to do with predestination, Calvanism go ahead and read see all our versions of choosing good and evil have consequences but still you decide your future.


There are 2 fields :indeterminism and determinism explain modern freewill and both give notion of control. Indeterminism means free acts are not determine in other words what you do with works does not foretold your future and the path you have chosen. Determinism says everything you do has already decided your future and you have no career. Nothing can change your destiny but G-d can.


Matthew 12:37 “For by your words you will be justified, and by your words you will be condemned.”


God’s general sovereignty- says god is in charge of everything but doesn’t control everything
God’s specific sovereignty- says that He not only has ordained everything, but He also controls everything.


Proverbs 16:9 “The mind of the man plans his way, but the Lord directs his steps.


Proverbs 3:5-6“Trust in the LORD with all your heart and lean not on your own understanding; in all your ways submit to him, and he will make your paths straight.”

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michaelgabriel88 wrote: Thu Feb 17, 2022 3:34 pm We start from the beggining when Adam was giving the power to name the animals G-d gave him freewill to choose Genesis 2:20.
Another claim without an iota of evidence.

There is difference from the freewill Hebrew people back in the days of Noah and Moses when the law was directed to G-d’s people they had freewill to decide.
Show us your evidence.

Killing, eating, proceating needs of humanity but no matter what the error of Adam did not take freewill from them.
Gotta show they had it in the first place. Whatcha got?

Still G-d’s plan was only Jezabel but he made an exception for Elijah and freewill existed and changed yes G-d allows it.
Prove it.

Greek theology is freedom and rationalist thought, Hebrew people is Law and Relation with the one G-d. Greeks have influence the modernworld and gives them right, the western world copies Greek and Roman culture and their diffinity in their laws have given the modern topic freewill.

Prove it.

So freewill clashes with freewill in the old times.
Show us your evidence

There are 2 fields :indeterminism and determinism explain modern freewill and both give notion of control.
How about the fields of fatalism, and libertarianism, and compatibilism? Can't just toss these aside. Well you can, but you have to have good reasons for it. So whatcha got?


A lot of unsupported claims going on here. Care to support them or is everyone just suppose to take your word that they're true?


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[Replying to Miles in post #5]

People the choosing right or wrong and have the freedom to choose it was something G-d gave and he gave it to Adam that is why he disobeyed if he could not he would of not of fallen. The reason freewill has and even I don't liike saying the devil had freewill. So know that freedom of deciding even do the word freewill does not exist in hebrew and have found the same question the truth is that freedom to choose and disobey G-d has existed before the bible and angels and man have it.

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Miles wrote: Wed Feb 16, 2022 5:43 pm
michaelgabriel88 wrote: Wed Feb 16, 2022 4:42 pm We have freewill
Prove it. Simply claiming it exists just doesn't cut it. Lay out your evidence.
Simply saying it doesn't exists doesn't cut it either.

I'm writing this post of my own freewill. Now, prove that I'm not.

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2timothy316 wrote: Fri Feb 18, 2022 1:10 pm
Miles wrote: Wed Feb 16, 2022 5:43 pm
michaelgabriel88 wrote: Wed Feb 16, 2022 4:42 pm We have freewill
Prove it. Simply claiming it exists just doesn't cut it. Lay out your evidence.
Simply saying it doesn't exists doesn't cut it either.
Sorry, but I never said it doesn't exist, which leaves the burden of proof on michaelgabriel88. And even if I had, I asked first, meaning michaelgabriel88 would have to answer my challenge before I answered his . . .If he challenged me.
I'm writing this post of my own freewill. Now, prove that I'm not.
Why would I when I've never claimed you aren't?


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By nature before liberated by the new birth, man is a servant to sin, not a freewiller. Jn 8:34


Jesus answered them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Whosoever committeth sin is the servant of sin.

That word servant means slave, we are sinners by nature and so slave to sin, that includes the heart mind soul of man and will.

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If by "free will" you mean : the ability to choose between two or more possible options then yes we do have free will; this is self evident since people can be seen to make choices everyday. There is nobody that can prove those choices are in fact being controlled by some unseen entity.

Is the notion of autonomous choice biblical?

Yes, absolutely.


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