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JW's claim of Kingdom of God establish in 1914?

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What was the date of this claim of the Kingdom of God restored in 1914?

What did God do to set up the Kingdom of Heaven?

Is there any record of what he said to accomplish this great event?

Did the JW's originally claim that Christ would come on the date they claimed?

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[Replying to William in post #129]

Nothing, huh? You'd say nothing.
Well, I can understand that response. We just don't butt our noses into people's business.

What if they asked your opinion of working / shopping on the Sabbath? Would you tell them it's no big deal...go ahead? Or tell them they have six days to do that? That the Sabbath is different and it is treated differently.

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Avoice wrote: Sat Mar 19, 2022 5:10 pm [Replying to William in post #129]

Nothing, huh? You'd say nothing.
Well, I can understand that response. We just don't butt our noses into people's business.
I am not here to judge but to help sanction each individual
What if they asked your opinion of working / shopping on the Sabbath? Would you tell them it's no big deal...go ahead? Or tell them they have six days to do that? That the Sabbath is different and it is treated differently.

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JehovahsWitness wrote: Fri Mar 18, 2022 11:16 pm
False dichotomy: "The Creator" is a fitting title for the true God but the Divine NAME and said TITLE are not scripturally accorded the same import. Since various religions attributed creation to various gods, the God of the bible identifies himself by a unique name distinct and apart from the countless nameless Gods or false gods with a variety of names.

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It's not as unique as some suggets:
Yahweh

Although the biblical narratives depict Yahweh as the sole creator god, lord of the universe, and god of the Israelites especially, initially he seems to have been Canaanite in origin and subordinate to the supreme god El. Canaanite inscriptions mention a lesser god Yahweh and even the biblical Book of Deuteronomy stipulates that “the Most High, El, gave to the nations their inheritance” and that “Yahweh's portion is his people, Jacob and his allotted heritage” (32:8-9). A passage like this reflects the early beliefs of the Canaanites and Israelites in polytheism or, more accurately, henotheism (the belief in many gods with a focus on a single supreme deity). The claim that Israel always only acknowledged one god is a later belief cast back on the early days of Israel's development in Canaan.

https://www.worldhistory.org/Yahweh/
It's also clear that the name Jehovah was a much latter invention and not a rediscovery of the "divine name:"
Yahweh

The meaning of the name `Yahweh' has been interpreted as “He Who Makes That Which Has Been Made” or “He Brings into Existence Whatever Exists”, though other interpretations have been offered by many scholars. In the late middle ages, `Yahweh' came to be changed to `Jehovah' by Christian monks, a name commonly in use today.


https://www.worldhistory.org/Yahweh/

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Avoice wrote: Sat Mar 19, 2022 5:10 pm [Replying to William in post #129]

Nothing, huh? You'd say nothing.
Well, I can understand that response. We just don't butt our noses into people's business.

What if they asked your opinion of working / shopping on the Sabbath? Would you tell them it's no big deal...go ahead? Or tell them they have six days to do that? That the Sabbath is different and it is treated differently.
I am not sure what your point is. The Sabbath was a sign between God and Israel (Ezekiel 20:12), which was to rest on the 7th day of the week. The sign between the dragon/Satan/devil/Sol Invictus/sun god was to rest on the day of the sun, which is Sunday, per the decree of Constantine in 321 A.D., who was the beast with two horns like a lamb (Rev 13), and he closed the shops and government on Sunday, and they could not buy or sell on that day. My neighbors already know I don't work or go to the store on the Sabbath. They are fine with that. When the 7th day, the day of the LORD, the 7th millennium comes, hey I am ready, I have solar energy, a garden, water, am self employed, and can work or not work at my own discretion. Up until recent history, the blue laws, laws of shops being closed on Sunday were prevalent in the U.S. and Europe. Apparently, the sun god/Satan/dragon, and his false prophets, rule the world (John 14:30). The idea is to not be part of it, so when it "falls", you don't have to fall with it. The world jumps at the drop of a hat, or a word from Fauci, or a word from Putin, or a word from Fredo, and hangs on to the propaganda of the White House. They are all about to fall, and it is best to ignore them.

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Re: JW's claim of Kingdom of God establish in 1914?

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Tcg wrote: Sat Mar 19, 2022 6:15 pm
It's not as unique as some suggets:
Yahweh

Although the biblical narratives depict Yahweh as the sole creator god, lord of the universe, and god of the Israelites especially, initially he seems to have been Canaanite in origin and subordinate to the supreme god El. Canaanite inscriptions mention a lesser god Yahweh and even the biblical Book of Deuteronomy stipulates that “the Most High, El, gave to the nations their inheritance” and that “Yahweh's portion is his people, Jacob and his allotted heritage” (32:8-9). A passage like this reflects the early beliefs of the Canaanites and Israelites in polytheism or, more accurately, henotheism (the belief in many gods with a focus on a single supreme deity). The claim that Israel always only acknowledged one god is a later belief cast back on the early days of Israel's development in Canaan.

https://www.worldhistory.org/Yahweh/

Nobody is suggesting that Yahwah (Jehovah) is uniquely associated with the ancient Hebrews alone. The bible record itself indicates, rightly or wrongly the Israelites often merged their worship with the pagan nations around them, and contrary to divine mandates, YHWH was worshipped by and along with the gods of other surrounding peoples. That is a matter of historical record (see above).
My point was that in Hebrew scripture the GOD is not presented as having multiple names but is presented under one uniquely personal name (YHWH). In other words, He doesn't call himself Yahweh and Mardoch and Dagon, only by the personal name JEHOVAH (Yahweh).
His various titles do not feature nor are they given equal import as the tetragrammaton in the biblical narrative.

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Tcg wrote: Sat Mar 19, 2022 6:15 pm It's also clear that the name Jehovah was a much latter invention and not a rediscovery of the "divine name:"
Yahweh

The meaning of the name `Yahweh' has been interpreted as “He Who Makes That Which Has Been Made” or “He Brings into Existence Whatever Exists”, though other interpretations have been offered by many scholars. In the late middle ages, `Yahweh' came to be changed to `Jehovah' by Christian monks, a name commonly in use today. GBWhatsApp APK

https://www.worldhistory.org/Yahweh/
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What's the meaning of the Jehovah? Is it similar to the Yahweh? And why was the name changed?

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Spike wrote: Tue May 09, 2023 1:32 am
What's the meaning of the Jehovah? Is it similar to the Yahweh? And why was the name changed?
Great questions.


WHAT DOES THE NAME JEHOVAH MEAN?

The name Jehovah is an English transliteration of what is commonly called the tetragrammaton YHWH (The divine name of the God of the bible). Bible scholars generally agree it is based on the verb TO BE and it is traditionally taken to mean "I am what I am". That said, the verb is actually in the CAUSATIVE form and arguably more accuratly means "I shall cause to be , what I shall cause to be". It is is a declaration that Jehovah (YHWH) can be or do anything he wishes to accomplish his aims.

IS JEHOVAH SIMILAR TO YAHWEH?

Jehovah and Yahweh are exactly the same name; in different "languages". To ilustrate: Is PETER similar to PIERRE ? And are Pierre and Peter , similar to PEDROS? YAHWEH is arguably a closer pronunciation to the HEBREW whereas JEHOVAH is the English rendistion.


WHY WAS THE NAME CHANGED?

The name hasn't actually been changed in the sense of departing from its original meaning. For example, if one called PIERRE ....SANDRA that's a change because "Pierre" "Peter" and "Pedros" all mean "rock/stone" but SANDRA means "protector of humanity". Translating or transliterating a name only changes the language or pronunciation but not the meaning. We usually change the pronuciation of a name from one language to another because certain sounds or letters might not exist in the 2nd language or because people want to transmit the meaning of the name rather than the identical sounds.





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Spike wrote: Tue May 09, 2023 1:32 am
Tcg wrote: Sat Mar 19, 2022 6:15 pm It's also clear that the name Jehovah was a much latter invention and not a rediscovery of the "divine name:"
Yahweh

The meaning of the name `Yahweh' has been interpreted as “He Who Makes That Which Has Been Made” or “He Brings into Existence Whatever Exists”, though other interpretations have been offered by many scholars. In the late middle ages, `Yahweh' came to be changed to `Jehovah' by Christian monks, a name commonly in use today. GBWhatsApp APK

https://www.worldhistory.org/Yahweh/
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What's the meaning of the Jehovah? Is it similar to the Yahweh? And why was the name changed?
From the Online Etymology Dictionary

Jehovah

1530, Tyndale's transliteration of Hebrew Tetragrammaton YHWH using vowel points of Adhonai "my lord" (see Yahweh). Used for YHWH (the full name being too sacred for utterance) in four places in the Old Testament in the KJV where the usual translation the lord would have been inconvenient; taken as the principal and personal name of God.

The vowel substitution was originally made by the Masoretes as a direction to substitute Adhonai for "the ineffable name." European students of Hebrew took this literally, which yielded Latin JeHoVa (first attested in writings of Galatinus, confessor to Leo X, 1516). Jehovah's Witnesses "member of Watchtower Bible and Tract Society" first attested 1933; the organization founded c. 1879 by Charles Taze Russell (1852-1916); the name from Isaiah xliii.10.
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Yahweh

1869, hypothetical reconstruction of the tetragrammaton YHWH (see Jehovah), based on the assumption that the tetragrammaton is the imperfective of Hebrew verb hawah, earlier form of hayah "was," in the sense of "the one who is, the existing."
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[Replying to Revelations won in post #5]

Jesus has had authority all these centuries to rule over his church/congregation, to guide his people in the ways of witnessing to the world the vital truths about his coming in Kingdom power. He has had to prepare us for the world-wide preaching work that warns the world that a new day is coming. It is a warning for the wicked, but a message of relief for Jehovah's people. The last days began in 1914 when Jesus began ruling as King, getting ready to rid the world of evil.

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