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JW's claim of Kingdom of God establish in 1914?

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What was the date of this claim of the Kingdom of God restored in 1914?

What did God do to set up the Kingdom of Heaven?

Is there any record of what he said to accomplish this great event?

Did the JW's originally claim that Christ would come on the date they claimed?

Let us hear your clear answers to the above questions.

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Avoice wrote: Thu Mar 17, 2022 5:32 am [Replying to onewithhim in post #92]

EXACTLY!!
PERFECTLY STATED!!!
AMAZING!!!
THAT IS THE MOST INTELLIGENT ANSWER ONE COULD POSSIBLY GIVE!!


Now you know how Jews feel about the Christian Testament.
Your method to determining what is truth is logical. You have proved you are capable of making wise decisions based on careful examination. Most adult Christians would agree with your method and reject Mormonism for the same reasons.
If Christians would only examine the Christian Testament with the same rule of logic. It's teachings are not found in the Hebrew Scriptures.

You have a very valid reason to reject Mormonism. And you know you are correct to reject it. Your method is correct but to prove without a shadow of a doubt that Mormonism is false you must uphold it to the Hebrew Scriptures. That is the ultimate source by which Abrahamic religions must be tested.

I say thiss with kindness and hope: Understand that you would never be willing to ignore the lies and deceptions usqsqed by the Mormon church and become a believing member. Because you tested it and found it false. You don't have to answer this. In fact, it's only for you to consider. You should ask yourself why you don't examine the Christian Testament the same. You know how to do it. I know you do. Test it. You'll see the Jews arent blind. You can see Mormonism as it really is. Just keep the same glasses on when you test the NT against the Hebrew Scriptures.
I am limiting my debates and discussions to those of the Abrahamic faiths. To Jews, Christians and Muslims.
Those who show themself to be atheist, agnostic or have a similar lack of belief lack the foundation I require. Those of the Abrahamic faiths share a common history from which they can draw on and build on.

I am not here to debate God's existance.
At most I will post a generic response to atheists and the like. Any other communication would be pointless and a waste of each other's time

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Re: JW's claim of Kingdom of God establish in 1914?

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Avoice wrote: Thu Mar 17, 2022 5:27 am
Explain how Jesus is passover.
Jesus is our "Passover" in the sense that he is the real point and purpose of the exodus memorial. One reason why the Jews failed to recognise their own Messiah was they failed to recognize that all their laws where merely a means to an end. They were not sacrificing animals, wearing special garments and keeping festivals just to pass the time. It was all pointing towards a greater liberation, a libération from sin and death, designed for all humanity.

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Like a bride that so concentrates on exchanging the rings at the wedding, she leaves the ceremony without her groom, the Jews were (still are) so enamoured of the rituels they missed the point.





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William wrote: Wed Mar 16, 2022 4:55 pm
onewithhim wrote: Wed Mar 16, 2022 4:44 pm
William wrote: Wed Mar 16, 2022 12:37 pm [Replying to onewithhim in post #93]
Jesus practiced pure worship of Israel's God. He obeyed the Law to the letter.
Apparently this is untrue. He seemed to treat the law something which could be bent to suit the higher agenda...and didn't conflate 'obeying the law to the letter' with serving The Father.
Don't just give your opinion. Show from the Scriptures why you would say that Jesus didn't follow the Law, serving the Father.
I am not 'giving my opinion'. Nor did I say that Jesus didn't follow the law. I said he didn't obey the law to the letter, as was claimed.
I am surprised you do not know the scripture. It is about how the religious folk accused Jesus of supporting acts contrary to the laws of the sabbath.
It is you who don't know the Scriptures. The people ACCUSED him of breaking the Law, but he never did. He broke their own laws, not God's Law. They forced silly laws on the people like not taking sustainance from a head of wheat while crossing through a grain field because that would be "harvesting"! Their laws said that a person had to wash his hands up to his elbows, which is never found in God's Law. Do some more studying concerning God's Law vs. men's laws.

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Avoice wrote: Thu Mar 17, 2022 5:27 am [Replying to onewithhim in post #93]

He is your passover? What? Do you even know what Passover commemorates? How is Jesus your passover?
Of course. The angel passed over the homes of the faithful Israelites when they marked their doorways with blood, when they were in Egypt. It forecast the blood that the Messiah would shed in a saving act of mankind. Jesus fulfilled that passing over with his own saving act. You aren't familiar with that? Jesus fulfilled the Law and instituted a lasting covenant with Jehovah's faithful worshippers (which the Jewish nation was not). :study:

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Avoice wrote: Thu Mar 17, 2022 5:49 am
Avoice wrote: Thu Mar 17, 2022 5:32 am [Replying to onewithhim in post #92]

EXACTLY!!
PERFECTLY STATED!!!
AMAZING!!!
THAT IS THE MOST INTELLIGENT ANSWER ONE COULD POSSIBLY GIVE!!


Now you know how Jews feel about the Christian Testament.
Your method to determining what is truth is logical. You have proved you are capable of making wise decisions based on careful examination. Most adult Christians would agree with your method and reject Mormonism for the same reasons.
If Christians would only examine the Christian Testament with the same rule of logic. It's teachings are not found in the Hebrew Scriptures.
Christian teachings ARE found in the Hebrew Scriptures. From front to back. Starts out in Genesis with the description of God's purpose for the earth, and Jesus taught that "the meek shall inherit the earth," as was the intention from the beginning. (Matthew 5:5) The coming Messiah was foretold at Genesis 3:15, and the biting of the heel foretold the death of the Messiah (but not an irreversible "bite"). He will crush Satan's head in a death blow in the not-so-distant future. There is much more, and the most poignant verses are in Isaiah 53. It is not speaking of Israel being the suffering servant because the servant mentioned takes the death blows FOR Israel. He was never violent or deceitful, yet Israel was.

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[Replying to onewithhim in post #105]
It is you who don't know the Scriptures.
As it happens, it is not one of Gods laws that I even have to. It is certainly not something one is required to do as part of obeying the law 'to the letter'...

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William wrote: Thu Mar 17, 2022 12:56 pm [Replying to onewithhim in post #105]
It is you who don't know the Scriptures.
As it happens, it is not one of Gods laws that I even have to. It is certainly not something one is required to do as part of obeying the law 'to the letter'...
How can one obey the Law if they don't know it?

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onewithhim wrote: Fri Mar 18, 2022 3:31 pm
William wrote: Thu Mar 17, 2022 12:56 pm [Replying to onewithhim in post #105]
It is you who don't know the Scriptures.
As it happens, it is not one of Gods laws that I even have to. It is certainly not something one is required to do as part of obeying the law 'to the letter'...
How can one obey the Law if they don't know it?
One simply has to love oneself and ones neighbor... where is that written, other than within one's heart.
Why are you trying to imply that it is one of Gods laws that we know scripture, or that it is somehow lawful to accuse someone of not?

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[Replying to onewithhim in post #107]

If you only remember one thing let it be what you said:

"How can one obey the law if they don't know it?

If you are a Christian you think Jesus is going to save you. What you apparently don't realize is that by being a Christian you have knowledge of the law. And the very fact of hiding behind Jesus proves that you know the laws. Otherwise why are you hiding? Jesus isn't saving you - he has proved to God that you are willfully disobedient to God. You condemn yourself. If you didn't put Jesus between you and God you'd be better off.

Remember when Adam and Eve knew they did wrong? How they tried covering themselves? All that did was show God that they KNEW they disobeyed. Well, Jesus is one big fig leaf!

Go read Jesus' famous sermon on the mount. Notice how he says
'You have heard it said_____BUT I say_____.
He reminds the people of the law THEN says to listen to HIS way. He made sure to repeat what the law states before trying to get people to disregard it and listen to him instead. Therefore no one can say they didn't know about the law. They have no excuse at that point

Think back again to the garden in Eden. The servent didn't just appear and say "EAT THAT FRUIT!". Noooo...... First he reminds Eve what God said about it. He did it in the form of a question. But he succeeded in proving to God that her disobedience wasn't because she didn't know the law God gave. She KNEW. AND SHE KNEW THE CONSEQUENCES if she disobeyed. The serpent promised that their greatest desire would be granted: eternal life. How did that work out?

The Garden Has man's greatest lesson in it. It tells us to only listen to what Gid tells us. Don't let anyone convince you that what laws come firth from God don't matter anymore. It also tells us about the serpent. He gets people to acknowledge the law then disobey it. He will even promise the ultimate reward: eternal life.
THAT IS THE OLDEST TRICK IN THE BOOK!

You've been told what to watch out for. Anybody you know tell you about the law then try to get you to do differently? Promise you'll live forever even?
Maybe this will wake you up. Jesus said:

Had I not come and spoken to them they would not have sin. But now they have no cloak for their sins.
Sooooooo.... If Jesus wouldn't have got you to listen to him you could have avoided having knowledge of the law. But since you listened to him you ARE aware of the law. And have no excuse. If you think you are covered by Jesus...you have no covering.
Jesus - the fatal fig leaf

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William wrote: Fri Mar 18, 2022 5:27 pm
Why are you trying to imply that it is one of Gods laws that we know scripture, or that it is somehow lawful to accuse someone of not?
For the bible believing Christian knowledge is essentially for one cannot obey "the greatest commandement" without accurate knowledge.

JOHN 17:3 ESV

And this is eternal life, that they know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom you have sent.


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