How to become an angel!

Exploring the details of Christianity

Moderator: Moderators

Post Reply
myth-one.com
Savant
Posts: 7124
Joined: Wed Aug 09, 2006 4:16 pm
Has thanked: 31 times
Been thanked: 86 times
Contact:

How to become an angel!

Post #1

Post by myth-one.com »

Two type of bodies are defined in the Bible, natural and spiritual (I Corinthians 15:44). Man is a natural bodied being and God and the angels are spiritual bodied beings (John 3:6). All men will die (Hebrews 9:27), and all spiritual bodied beings will live forever. (Luke 20:36).

The two testaments of the Bible are covenants or wills between God and mankind. The inheritance which heirs receive under either covenant is everlasting life. Each Bible testament describes the path to everlasting life for mankind under that particular covenant.

The path to eternal life under the first covenant was to never sin (Romans 6:23). However, there was a fault in the first testament in that all mankind sinned! (Romans 5:12) Since the first covenant contained a fault, God created a second or New Testament (Hebrews 3:6).

Under the New Testament Covenant, one must believe in Jesus as their Savior to gain everlasting life (John 3:16). Here is how that came to be:

The Word (a Spirit) was made flesh as the man Jesus Christ (John 1:14). Being a man (1Timothy 2:5), Jesus was included as a possible beneficiary under the original covenant between God and mankind.

In fact, Jesus became the only human to become an heir to immortality under the Old Testament Covenant! (1 Timothy 6:16).

His future inheritance belongs solely to Him, it is His possession, He owns it! And He is the only human that "hath immortality" as an inheritance.

But Jesus freely chooses to offer His inheritance as a gift to humans who believe in Him as their Savior. This is codified in the New Testament Covenant! (John 3:16)

But how can the one everlasting life which is Jesus' inheritance be distributed to more that one believer? Here's how that is justified in the scriptures:

Since many sinned due to one man (Adam), it is only fair that likewise many should be saved by the gift of everlasting life offered freely by the one man, Jesus Christ. (Romans 5:15)

Once the Word was made flesh as Jesus, Jesus had no choice but to die His first death – as it is appointed unto man once to die. So Jesus’ death, while required, is not what saves us.

What saves us is that Jesus offers His just inheritance of everlasting spiritual life received by His living a sinless life under the Old Testament Covenant to those humans who accept Him as their Savior from the wages of their sins under the New Testament Covenant.

Believers receive their inheritance of everlasting life by being born again of the Spirit (John 3:6) at the second Coming (Romans 5:15).

Conclusion: Whosoever believeth shall be born again of the Spirit, as a spirit, into the spiritual Kingdom of God, at the Second Coming. When this occurs, we will become equal unto the angels.

That is how any human may become an angel. :D

If you want to debate the above explanation, please do so with scripture references to support your claims.

2timothy316
Under Probation
Posts: 4174
Joined: Wed Aug 10, 2016 10:51 am
Has thanked: 176 times
Been thanked: 458 times

Re: How to become an angel!

Post #111

Post by 2timothy316 »

myth-one.com wrote: Tue Mar 29, 2022 11:37 pm
2timothy316 wrote: Mon Mar 28, 2022 9:00 pm Psalm 115:16 "But the earth he has given to the sons of men."
Psalm 37:29 “The righteous themselves will possess the earth, and they will reside forever upon it.”
What will happen to the unrighteous?
Life ends for them.
"The wicked one will be no more.” (Ps. 37:10)
"The one who exercises faith in the Son has everlasting life; the one who disobeys the Son will not see life." (John 3:36)
"These [unrighteous] will depart into everlasting cutting-off, but the righteous ones into everlasting life.” (Matt 25:46)

myth-one.com
Savant
Posts: 7124
Joined: Wed Aug 09, 2006 4:16 pm
Has thanked: 31 times
Been thanked: 86 times
Contact:

Re: How to become an angel!

Post #112

Post by myth-one.com »

myth-one.com wrote: Mon Mar 28, 2022 10:17 pm God never says that any natural bodied human being can live forever. He states that they all return to dust:
Ecclesiastes 3:19 wrote:For that which befalleth the sons of men befalleth beasts; even one thing befalleth them: as the one dieth, so dieth the other; yea, they have all one breath; so that a man hath no preeminence above a beast: for all is vanity.
2timothy316 wrote: Tue Mar 29, 2022 12:33 pm Yet they can return from that dust.
“Your dead will live. My corpses will rise up. Awake and shout joyfully, You residents in the dust! For your dew is as the dew of the morning, And the earth will let those powerless in death come to life." - Isaiah 26:19
There is no reason to make the dead live again if they are just going to die again.
Yes, I agree. But you do not understand the purpose of their resurrections. Phrases such as "dead will live", "corpses will rise up", "death come to life", etc, say nothing about any man living forever!
2timothy316 wrote: Wed Mar 30, 2022 8:49 amNot every person who has died will live again.
According to God, all deceased believers and nonbelievers will be resurrected from their "first death" under the New Testament Covenant:
I Corinthians 15:22 wrote:For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.
2timothy316 wrote: Wed Mar 30, 2022 8:49 am "The one who exercises faith in the Son has everlasting life; the one who disobeys the Son will not see life." (John 3:36)
Christianity divides mankind into two groups -- believers and nonbelievers. Deceased believers will be resurrected from the grave as everlasting spiritual bodied beings at the Second Coming.

Deceased nonbelievers will be resurrected a 1,000 years later as humans once again. So they will see life again! They will be preached the true gospel good news and those not accepting Jesus as their Savior will be cast into the lake of fire and quickly suffer their everlasting second death. The "second death" is the only true death mentioned in the scriptures! The "first death" is appointed to all of mankind. This "death" is typically referred to as sleep, slumber, or rest -- not death. Rest in peace.

Those who die their first death as nonbelievers and who accept Jesus as their Savior during their judgment will receive the same reward of the saved as those believers who died prior to the Second Coming.

That is the reason the nonbelievers are resurrected -- to be taught the good news and accept or reject everlasting life as it is explained and offered to them.

One sign of the end times is that the gospel must first be preached in the entire world before the end of this age, the age of man, occurs:
Matthew 24:14 wrote:And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.
The Church is prophesied to fail in this mission -- thus it is completed during the judgment because God is just and true!

2timothy316
Under Probation
Posts: 4174
Joined: Wed Aug 10, 2016 10:51 am
Has thanked: 176 times
Been thanked: 458 times

Re: How to become an angel!

Post #113

Post by 2timothy316 »

myth-one.com wrote: Wed Mar 30, 2022 11:38 am
I Corinthians 15:22 wrote:For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.
2timothy316 wrote: Wed Mar 30, 2022 8:49 am "The one who exercises faith in the Son has everlasting life; the one who disobeys the Son will not see life." (John 3:36)
Christianity divides mankind into two groups -- believers and nonbelievers. Deceased believers will be resurrected from the grave as everlasting spiritual bodied beings at the Second Coming.

Deceased nonbelievers will be resurrected a 1,000 years later as humans once again. So they will see life again!
Yet there will be those that will not accept God. Even after their return to life. There is also no guarantee that ALL non-believers will be resurrected. Jesus will be making that final choice. Those humans that are righteous will continue to live as humans forever. Those that disobey are cutoff from life forever.
"These [unrighteous] will depart into everlasting cutting-off, but the righteous ones into everlasting life.” (Matt 25:46)
This scripture is referring to Armageddon. Those that die in that final war will not be brought back to life.
Those humans that are righteous will continue to live as humans forever. Those that disobey are cutoff from life forever.

myth-one.com
Savant
Posts: 7124
Joined: Wed Aug 09, 2006 4:16 pm
Has thanked: 31 times
Been thanked: 86 times
Contact:

Re: How to become an angel!

Post #114

Post by myth-one.com »

myth-one.com wrote: Wed Mar 30, 2022 11:38 am Christianity divides mankind into two groups -- believers and nonbelievers. Deceased believers will be resurrected from the grave as everlasting spiritual bodied beings at the Second Coming.

Deceased nonbelievers will be resurrected a 1,000 years later as humans once again. So they will see life again!
2timothy316 wrote: Wed Mar 30, 2022 1:13 pmYet there will be those that will not accept God. Even after their return to life.
Yes, there will be many. And that will be their choice. Why is that a problem?
2timothy316 wrote: Wed Mar 30, 2022 1:13 pmThere is also no guarantee that ALL non-believers will be resurrected.
Yes there is! It's called scripture:
I Corinthians 15:22-23 wrote:For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.
2timothy316 wrote: Wed Mar 30, 2022 1:13 pmJesus will be making that final choice.
Nope! Jesus does not choose us, we choose Jesus -- whosoever believeth!
2timothy316 wrote: Wed Mar 30, 2022 1:13 pmThose humans that are righteous will continue to live as humans forever.
No human lives forever.
2timothy316 wrote: Wed Mar 30, 2022 1:13 pm"These [unrighteous] will depart into everlasting cutting-off, but the righteous ones into everlasting life.” (Matt 25:46)
Here is the correct wording of that verse:
Matthew 25:46 wrote:And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.
2timothy316 wrote: Wed Mar 30, 2022 1:13 pmThis scripture is referring to Armageddon.
No it is not! There are believers and nonbelievers. Those that "go away into everlasting punishment" are nonbelievers, and those that go "into life eternal" are believers.
John 3:16 wrote:For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him, should not perish, but have everlasting life. (John 3:16)

2timothy316
Under Probation
Posts: 4174
Joined: Wed Aug 10, 2016 10:51 am
Has thanked: 176 times
Been thanked: 458 times

Re: How to become an angel!

Post #115

Post by 2timothy316 »

myth-one.com wrote: Wed Mar 30, 2022 9:52 pm
myth-one.com wrote: Wed Mar 30, 2022 11:38 am Christianity divides mankind into two groups -- believers and nonbelievers. Deceased believers will be resurrected from the grave as everlasting spiritual bodied beings at the Second Coming.

Deceased nonbelievers will be resurrected a 1,000 years later as humans once again. So they will see life again!
2timothy316 wrote: Wed Mar 30, 2022 1:13 pmYet there will be those that will not accept God. Even after their return to life.
Yes, there will be many. And that will be their choice. Why is that a problem?
2timothy316 wrote: Wed Mar 30, 2022 1:13 pmThere is also no guarantee that ALL non-believers will be resurrected.
Yes there is! It's called scripture:
I Corinthians 15:22-23 wrote:For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.
2timothy316 wrote: Wed Mar 30, 2022 1:13 pmJesus will be making that final choice.
Nope! Jesus does not choose us, we choose Jesus -- whosoever believeth!
The Bible nopes your nope.
"I solemnly charge you before God and Christ Jesus, who is to judge the living and the dead, and by his manifestation and his Kingdom." 2 Tim 4:1

2timothy316
Under Probation
Posts: 4174
Joined: Wed Aug 10, 2016 10:51 am
Has thanked: 176 times
Been thanked: 458 times

Re: How to become an angel!

Post #116

Post by 2timothy316 »

myth-one.com wrote: Wed Mar 30, 2022 9:52 pm
2timothy316 wrote: Wed Mar 30, 2022 1:13 pm"These [unrighteous] will depart into everlasting cutting-off, but the righteous ones into everlasting life.” (Matt 25:46)
Here is the correct wording of that verse:
Matthew 25:46 wrote:And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.
What translation you use doesn't matter. The scripture is a contrast. Death vs life. The punishment being the opposite of life.
The Greek word kolasis coveys the idea of deprivation. In this case, deprivation of life.
https://biblehub.com/greek/2851.htm

myth-one.com
Savant
Posts: 7124
Joined: Wed Aug 09, 2006 4:16 pm
Has thanked: 31 times
Been thanked: 86 times
Contact:

Re: How to become an angel!

Post #117

Post by myth-one.com »

2timothy316 wrote: Thu Mar 31, 2022 11:23 am
myth-one.com wrote: Wed Mar 30, 2022 9:52 pm
2timothy316 wrote: Wed Mar 30, 2022 1:13 pm"These [unrighteous] will depart into everlasting cutting-off, but the righteous ones into everlasting life.” (Matt 25:46)
Here is the correct wording of that verse:
Matthew 25:46 wrote:And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.
What translation you use doesn't matter. The scripture is a contrast. Death vs life. The punishment being the opposite of life.
The Greek word kolasis coveys the idea of deprivation. In this case, deprivation of life.
https://biblehub.com/greek/2851.htm
Perhaps the translation used doesn't matter, unless it is your private translation:
II Peter 1:20 wrote:Knowing this first, that no prophesy of the scripture is of any private interpretation.
Revelation 22 wrote:18 For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book:

19 And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.
"Everlasting cutting-off" is not the same as death.

2timothy316
Under Probation
Posts: 4174
Joined: Wed Aug 10, 2016 10:51 am
Has thanked: 176 times
Been thanked: 458 times

Re: How to become an angel!

Post #118

Post by 2timothy316 »

myth-one.com wrote: Thu Mar 31, 2022 2:42 pm
2timothy316 wrote: Thu Mar 31, 2022 11:23 am
myth-one.com wrote: Wed Mar 30, 2022 9:52 pm
2timothy316 wrote: Wed Mar 30, 2022 1:13 pm"These [unrighteous] will depart into everlasting cutting-off, but the righteous ones into everlasting life.” (Matt 25:46)
Here is the correct wording of that verse:
Matthew 25:46 wrote:And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.
What translation you use doesn't matter. The scripture is a contrast. Death vs life. The punishment being the opposite of life.
The Greek word kolasis coveys the idea of deprivation. In this case, deprivation of life.
https://biblehub.com/greek/2851.htm
Perhaps the translation used doesn't matter, unless it is your private translation:
II Peter 1:20 wrote:Knowing this first, that no prophesy of the scripture is of any private interpretation.
Revelation 22 wrote:18 For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book:

19 And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.
That's right, so why are you giving the following private interpretation?

"Everlasting cutting-off" is not the same as death.
It certainly doesn't mean everlasting life. It means destruction.
I will not explain it, I'll let 2 Peter 3:7 explain it.
Here is a link to several translations. Take your pick.
https://biblehub.com/2_peter/3-7.htm

"By the same word the present heavens and earth are reserved for fire, being kept for the day of judgment and destruction of the ungodly."
Do you have a private interpretation for this scripture as well?

myth-one.com
Savant
Posts: 7124
Joined: Wed Aug 09, 2006 4:16 pm
Has thanked: 31 times
Been thanked: 86 times
Contact:

Re: How to become an angel!

Post #119

Post by myth-one.com »

myth-one.com wrote: Thu Mar 31, 2022 2:42 pm "Everlasting cutting-off" is not the same as death.
One can be "everlastingly cut off" from something and still be very much alive.

"Everlastingly cut off from everything" would be more appropriate.

But why did you need to change the verse from what the Bible says in the first place?
2timothy316 wrote: Thu Mar 31, 2022 3:45 pm I will not explain it, I'll let 2 Peter 3:7 explain it.
Peter isn't responsible for your private interpretation, you are.
myth-one.com wrote: Thu Mar 31, 2022 2:42 pm Here is a link to several translations. Take your pick.
https://biblehub.com/2_peter/3-7.htm
I could not find any references to "everlasting cutting off" in the link you provided, nor in the entire Bible.

Let's use this translation:
Matthew 25:46 wrote:And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.

2timothy316
Under Probation
Posts: 4174
Joined: Wed Aug 10, 2016 10:51 am
Has thanked: 176 times
Been thanked: 458 times

Re: How to become an angel!

Post #120

Post by 2timothy316 »

myth-one.com wrote: Thu Mar 31, 2022 4:49 pm
myth-one.com wrote: Thu Mar 31, 2022 2:42 pm "Everlasting cutting-off" is not the same as death.
One can be "everlastingly cut off" from something and still be very much alive.

"Everlastingly cut off from everything" would be more appropriate.

But why did you need to change the verse from what the Bible says in the first place?
2timothy316 wrote: Thu Mar 31, 2022 3:45 pm I will not explain it, I'll let 2 Peter 3:7 explain it.
Peter isn't responsible for your private interpretation, you are.
Matthew 25:46 wrote:And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.
Peter is responsible for explaining Matthew 25:26 and what everlasting punishment is.
"destruction of the ungodly people." - 2 Peter 3:7
I do not come up with my own interpretations of scripture. I let scripture interpret scripture, I have used none of my own words. I have used the Bible which you say you trust.

The Greek word used at 2 Peter 3:7 is apóleia for destruction is as follows:
Quoting from HELPS Word-Studies https://biblehub.com/greek/684.htm
Cognate: 684 apṓleia (from 622 /apóllymi, "cut off") – destruction, causing someone (something) to be completely severed – cut off (entirely) from what could or should have been.

Definition of destruction: the action or process of causing so much damage to something that it no longer exists or cannot be repaired.


Let see what references you come up with for an explanation of 2 Peter 3:7 other than your own interpretation. If you believe 2 Peter 3:7 to be true then we know what 'everlasting punishment' is in Matthew 25:26.

Post Reply