Is the holy spirit a living being?

[kjw47]

Is the holy spirit a living being with equality to the Father and son? Lets look at bible facts.

1) The Father has a name-YHWH(Jehovah) the son has a name Jesus-Holy spirit-0
2) The Father seen on a throne, the son seen on a throne-Holy spirit-0
3)The Father shares certain things with the son-Holy spirit-0
4)Many very important passages in NT where only the Father and son are spoken of-holy spirit-2
The most important one being John 17:3--This means eternal life, their knowing you( Father) THE ONLY TRUE GOD and the one whom you sent forth Christ Jesus. Holy spirit-0

No is the answer i see. How about you?

The new Catholic encyclopedia 1967 Vol XIII Page 575-- The majority of NT texts reveal Gods spirit as something not someone.

[kjw47]

[Replying to kjw47 in post #54]

You wrote:
All who know God know that it is his active force. The HS has no name, no throne, God doesn't share anything with it like he does with Jesus, etc.

My response: Why won’t you answer my question? Where in the Hebrew or Greek Scriptures is the Holy Spirit ever referred to as an “active force?”

Jesus, His apostles, and men like Noah, Abraham, Moses, etc. never called or referred to the Holy Spirit an “active force.” Are you suggesting they didn’t know God?

God is Spirit (John 4:24). Do you believe God is living?

Both Father and son have personal names, Both are shown on thrones, both have certain aspects like Honor and glory-Holy spirit-0--Why?
The fact that only the Father knows the day and hour, and only his will gets done proves 100% 0 equality.

Once again you avoid direct questions.

Where in the Hebrew or Greek Scriptures is the Holy Spirit ever called an “active force?”

God is Spirit (John 4:24). Do you believe God is living? Yes or no. It’s a simple question.

Yes God is living, all living beings have a personal name--The HS doesnt.

[kjw47]

1 Cor 1:10--unity of thought( all of Gods 1 truth) no division. Yet there are 40,000 religions claiming to be christian--1 is. All of them claim to be lead by HS, 1 is.

In Isaiah YHWH was the only savior at that point in time. Jesus didnt become savior as well until he succeeded his earthly course and die a sinless existence to set the ransom for all to try to obtain.
I clearly see how your religions twist things that are not being said--Example-Rev 7:9--the great crowd will stand before the throne--your religions twist this into they are going to heaven. But reality= At that point in time Gods throne will be the only ruling power in existence, so no matter where one stands-earth, moon or heaven they will stand before the throne. And since only the little flock=144,000=the bride of Christ is promised heaven, the great crowd no man can number will be the only other ones saved thus get this promise-Matt 5:5, Psalm 37:29--Prov 2:21-22, Matt24:22

You are very unfamiliar with Scripture.

1 Cor. 1:10 speaks of no divisions among Christians, while 1 Cor. 11:19 says there MUST be divisions among Christians to show who is approved of God. All of the myriad of other religions in the world, not to mention the varying opinions of the masses about Christianity has no bearing at all upon my post that used Scripture to make my entire case.

Your arguments from Revelation are moot as that is a book that is founded on symbols and non-literal spiritual concepts PER Jesus Christ in Rev. 1:1.

The only people who will be saved are those who God knows, who have actually received the Holy Spirit (God/Jesus Christ - John 14:21-23) by obeying the 10 Commandments. Rev. 3:10; 14:12 Whether it will be exactly 144, 000 is really not relevant, and is not taught anywhere in Scripture. The number is only mentioned in Revelation 14. That's one, very symbolic, chapter out of 1,189 chapters in the Bible. Not a very strong case there.

The Holy Spirit is a living being; it is Jesus Christ. John 14:21-23; Romans 8:9-11

Why would you quote Rev 1:1--you dont understand it--A revelation of Jesus Christ which God gave to him= 2 beings there mentioned-1 is God-1 is Jesus. There is only 1 God--God did not say--here me have a revelation. Proving its the trinity that does not exist.

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Why would you quote Rev 1:1--you dont understand it--A revelation of Jesus Christ which God gave to him= 2 beings there mentioned-1 is God-1 is Jesus. There is only 1 God--God did not say--here me have a revelation. Proving its the trinity that does not exist.

Like I said, you are very unfamiliar with Scripture.

Rev. 1:1 proves that the entire book of Rev. is symbolic, just as Jesus says it is in that verse. And just as the KJV intro says it is right before that. It is a book steeped in prophetic signs and symbols - not to be taken literally. Do you not see that John states multiple times "I was IN THE SPIRIT when I saw" such and such? He is conveying visions he saw in the Spirit the best that he can. They are True visions, but they are visions. It is not a person in the physical stating "this is exactly how things will be."

[kjw47]

Why would you quote Rev 1:1--you dont understand it--A revelation of Jesus Christ which God gave to him= 2 beings there mentioned-1 is God-1 is Jesus. There is only 1 God--God did not say--here me have a revelation. Proving its the trinity that does not exist.

Like I said, you are very unfamiliar with Scripture.

Rev. 1:1 proves that the entire book of Rev. is symbolic, just as Jesus says it is in that verse. And just as the KJV intro says it is right before that. It is a book steeped in prophetic signs and symbols - not to be taken literally. Do you not see that John states multiple times "I was IN THE SPIRIT when I saw" such and such? He is conveying visions he saw in the Spirit the best that he can. They are True visions, but they are visions. It is not a person in the physical stating "this is exactly how things will be."

Try believing Jesus-John 20:17, Rev 3:12--His real teachers taught the same-then and now-Coll 1:3, Eph 1:13,17--1Prter 1:3

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Try believing Jesus-John 20:17, Rev 3:12--His real teachers taught the same-then and now-Coll 1:3, Eph 1:13,17--1Prter 1:3

Please clarify your argument.

What is it you think these verses prove?

[kjw47]

Try believing Jesus-John 20:17, Rev 3:12--His real teachers taught the same-then and now-Coll 1:3, Eph 1:13,17--1Prter 1:3

Please clarify your argument.

What is it you think these verses prove?

That back then, Jesus and his real teachers taught the Father is Jesus' God just like he is our God-the true gospel, the same is taught today by the teachers who have Jesus. God does not have a God.

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Yes God is living, all living beings have a personal name--The HS doesnt.

Good! You believe God is living. So do I.

Do you believe God is Spirit? (John 4:24). Yes or No?

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That back then, Jesus and his real teachers taught the Father is Jesus' God just like he is our God-the true gospel, the same is taught today by the teachers who have Jesus. God does not have a God.

Wow. Quite the imagination there.

Can you produce a single verse of Scripture that demonstrates Jesus being "taught" by any man?

Can you produce a single verse that reveals any of these teachers?

That oughta keep you busy.

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Yes God is living, all living beings have a personal name--The HS doesnt.

You couldn't be further from the Truth.

The Holy Spirit's name is Jesus Christ.

Romans 8:9-11
John 14:21-23
1 Peter 1:11

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The HS has no name, no throne, God doesn't share anything with it like he does with Jesus, etc.

Wrong again.

The throne of the Holy Spirit is God's (Jesus') throne. Is Jesus not the King?
Matthew 25:34

God shares everything with the Holy Spirit, and Christ, as He IS the Holy Spirit.
John 4:24
Romans 8:9-11