Hell - A misunderstood word

[MissKate13]

The English word hell appears twenty-three times in the King James Version of the New Testament. “Hell” actually represents three different terms in the Greek New Testament.

The first is “ade.” It is translated hell ten times in the KJV. Many new versions use the word Hades instead of hell. There are several ways Hades is used in the NT. The best way to determine its use is by context. In some places Hades is defined as the abode of departed spirits.

Gehenna (geennan), on the other hand, seems to be a place of torment, one to be avoided. Gehenna originates from two Hebrew words meaning “Valley of Hinnom.” The Valley of Hinnom, in the mind of the Jews, was detestable, disgusting, sickening, entirely unpleasant, and a place to be avoided. That was exactly what Jesus wanted to get across each time he used the term geennan.

Tartarus occurs only one in the New Testament (2 Peter 2:4). Here, it is used of the abode of evil angels prior to their banishment to Gehenna, their ultimate destiny (Mt. 25:41). It denotes that area of Hades in which both rebel men and angels are punished prior to the day of judgment. 2 Peter 2:9 supports this: “the Lord knows how to deliver the godly out of temptation, and to keep the unrighteous under punishment unto the day of judgment”

“Hell” is not the grave. In the New Testament there are three words that refer to the grave. They are taphos, mnema, and mnemeion. Taphos is used seven times and is translated sepulcher six times and tomb once.
Mnema is translated as tomb twice, grave once, and sepulcher four times.
Mnemeion is used five times as tomb, twenty-nine times as sepulcher, and eight times as grave.

Mt 5:22 geennan
Mt 5:29 geennan
Mt 5:30 geennan
Mt 10:28 geenne
Mt 11:23 adou
Mt 16:18 adou
Mt 18:9 geennan
Mt 23:15 geennes
My 23:33 geennes
Mark 9:43 geennan
Mark 9:47 geennan
Mark 9:47 geennan
Luke 10:15 adou
Luke 12:5 geennan
Luke 16:23 ade
Acts 2:27 aden
Acts 2:31 aden
James 3:6 geennes
2 Peter 2:4 tartarōsas
Rev 1:18 adou
Rev 6:8 ades
Rev 20:13 ades
Rev 20:14 ades

Your thoughts?

[JehovahsWitness]

[Replying to JehovahsWitness in post #49]

I have already critiqued that belief...

Am I supposed to care?

[Replying to JehovahsWitness in post #49]

...see my previous posts.

Right back at ya...

Lazarus' Story: What's it like being dead?
http://debatingchristianity.com/forum/v ... 12#p918712

Did Samuel talk to a witch while he was dead?
viewtopic.php?p=1097600#p1097600

Why is death likened to "sleep"?
http://debatingchristianity.com/forum/v ... 13#p832213

What is the condition of the dead (+ Video)?
http://debatingchristianity.com/forum/v ... 15#p918715

HOPE

Were humans designed to live forever?
http://debatingchristianity.com/forum/v ... 82#p815882

Is there reason to believe de can be with our dead loved ones again?
viewtopic.php?p=1063110#p1063110

Won't the earth eventually become over populated if nobody dies?
http://debatingchristianity.com/forum/v ... 37#p832237

Will it be possible to die in paradise?
viewtopic.php?p=1061370#p1061370

If death will be eliminated, why will animals not live forever in paradise ?
viewtopic.php?p=956006#p956006

SCRIPTURE

Did Paul not teach every human would die (at least once) 1 COR 15:22?
viewtopic.php?p=1061960#p1061960

Do Pauls words that some would not SLEEP not mean some Christians would not DIE?
viewtopic.php?p=1064110#p1064110

Does the text at Hebrews 9:27 mean no human can ever die twice?
viewtopic.php?p=944273#p944273

SOUL

Did God create a human body and then put a soul inside him?
http://debatingchristianity.com/forum/v ... 06#p889006

Is the soul immortal?
http://debatingchristianity.com/forum/v ... 39#p940639

What is a soul, what is a spirit?
http://debatingchristianity.com/forum/v ... 80#p888980

Is the "soul" immortal?
http://debatingchristianity.com/forum/v ... 09#p832209

SPIRIT

What is a person's the SPIRIT?
http://debatingchristianity.com/forum/v ... 60#p877560

Is there a difference between the soul and the spirit?
viewtopic.php?p=820981#p820981

What is "the breath of life"?
http://debatingchristianity.com/forum/v ... 72#p819272

What is a soul/spirit/death/hell?
http://debatingchristianity.com/forum/v ... 56#p330856

Are GHOSTS real?
http://debatingchristianity.com/forum/v ... 92#p798992

NEAR DEATH EXPERIENCES (NDEs)

How can near death experiences NDEs be explained?
http://debatingchristianity.com/forum/v ... 32#p928332

Has anybody ever seen a vision of Jesus before dying?
viewtopic.php?p=1090212#p1090212

Why would a demon pretend to be Jesus?
viewtopic.php?p=927472#p927472

By what criteria should supernatural experiences be judged?
http://debatingchristianity.com/forum/v ... 38#p927538

Voices from God or voices from Demons?
http://debatingchristianity.com/forum/v ... 10#p927610
Continued
http://debatingchristianity.com/forum/v ... 12#p927612

What is spiritism?
viewtopic.php?p=955577#p955577

Are exorcism legitimate?
viewtopic.php?p=765712#p765712

[William]

[Replying to JehovahsWitness in post #51]

I have already critiqued that belief, JW

Am I supposed to care?

Well you appear to care enough to have made the comment that I then replied to.

...see my previous posts.

Right back at ya...

I have already critiqued that belief, JW. Unless you are saying that you have different beliefs to those of Timothy, I see no sensible reason to double up on what I have already critiqued.

[JehovahsWitness]

I have already critiqued that belief...

I have already addressed this point (see above post #51)
viewtopic.php?p=1101081#p1101081



JW

[William]

I have already critiqued that belief...

I have already addressed this point (see above post #51)
viewtopic.php?p=1101081#p1101081



JW

Which point have you addressed which Timothy did not?

[JehovahsWitness]

I have already critiqued that belief...

I have already addressed this point (see above post #51)
viewtopic.php?p=1101081#p1101081



JW

Which point have you addressed which Timothy did not?

I see no sensible reason to double up on what I have already stated see post #51. If there is something you believe I have not fully critiqued, feel free to ask and I will point you in the right direction.



JW

[William]

[Replying to JehovahsWitness in post #55]

Which point have you addressed which Timothy did not?

I see no sensible reason to double up on what I have already stated see post #51.

I don't require you to repost any point you have already made which Timothy hasn't. I simply require your pointing the reader to the point you are implying you have made.

If there is something you believe I have not fully critiqued, feel free to ask and I will point you in the right direction.

I have already asked.

I wrote:

Which point have you addressed which Timothy did not?

[JehovahsWitness]

He took geennan so seriously that he could say without the slightest hesitation to remove your eye, or cut off your hand or foot if it would keep you from sinning and ending up in geennan.

Do you think there is no such place? Do you think we just die like Rover, becoming dead all over? Annihilation? Why all the dire warnings from Jesus if that were so?

Well there was such a physical place but Jesus was clearly using it as a metaphor since those he spoke of did not literally end up there.

[William]

He took geennan so seriously that he could say without the slightest hesitation to remove your eye, or cut off your hand or foot if it would keep you from sinning and ending up in geennan.

Do you think there is no such place? Do you think we just die like Rover, becoming dead all over? Annihilation? Why all the dire warnings from Jesus if that were so?

Well there was such a physical place but Jesus was clearly using it as a metaphor since those he spoke of did not literally end up there.

This really only tells us that Jesus was using the dump as a metaphor to explain a reality which could actually be consciously experienced in an alternate reality.
Indeed, that would explain the gravity of the warning Jesus is said to have made.

[William]

The thing to remember is that it is YHVH that determines what is useful to Them [YHVH] and what is not.

The idea of there being a place to store the "currently" useless-to-YHVH personalities is that those personalities get to continue existing, even that the environment of their existence is not pleasant and even hellish.

This signifies that YHVH is not finished with those personalities to the point where They [YHVH] delete them from existence of any sort.

Re that, the extra biblical evidence confirms that Jesus was not being metaphorical re the existence of unpleasant realms which personalities could suffer.

Even so - Jesus is not saying that personalities should fear those realms of experience - or fear going to those realms of experience, but that they should fear the idea that they could be literally deleted from all experiences, forever.

That we should fear They [YHVH] who has the authority to delete individual personalities from all of existence, forever.

Hellish experience come in all types of ways - not just flames burning but not consuming - as per the witness of folk who have been granted the experience of such places, and are returned to us, so that they can share their experiences with us...not just the nice ones, where they meet Jesus and YHVH and the hosts that exist in that heavenly reality experience, but also the unpleasant ones, where YHVH is absent and the absence is felt as a hellish thing to experience.

Such stories act as confirmation that Jesus wasn't just being figurative about the subject of dumpsite realms.

One such hellish experience, I wrote about in another thread; Re "How To Bruise A Ghost" which the reader can access HERE.

[JehovahsWitness]

Understanding the mind behind creation which is commonly referred to as "God"
I think of these images as representing a very real and supportive Team.
Like being pushed out from a stinky hole, can have one develop a bad self-complex

I've often pondered whether Christianity is a test, but the rights answer is to reject it. The right answer is that nobody, even God, is good by definition, and that you can't take somebody else's life to pay for your own sins.

I also have this innate aversion to saying it right-out, as if somebody doesn't want me to. But it seems you're on a similar track.

Possibly your own conscience is at work there. In any case, I do believe there is no good reason to reject Christianity if done "right".



JEHOVAH'S WITNESS