If nothing can not exist, the I guess that destroyes the idea that the universe is essentially "nothing" as we were dicussing. The "nothing" of the universe would never have existed. Thus it would become impossible for the universe to have begun from "nothing".
How do you know that if it came from nothing it would never have existed?
That isn't something you can know. Obviously the universe exist and if there was nothing then obviously it can come from nothing.
So it does not follow that it is impossible for the universe to have begun from nothing. It is not a valid argument unless you know and can show it isn't possible.
Actually I believe the universe did come from nothing. However, I was making the point that it could not SPONTANEOUSLY come from nothing without cause. I was also debating the idea that energy is the easiest and natural result of "nothing" existing.
Let me review the logical progression of my discussion with QED and you will better understand where this particular point came from.
First, we presented the idea that the energy in the universe could cancel out leaving nothing.
This lead into a discussion about how much energy and order it takes to create something from nothing. I put forth scientific websites which described human attempts to create energy and once it was accomplished, how much outside energy was required to do this task.
I then put forth the question, if creating energy was so difficult, why was it able to happen suddenly creating this universe without any cause at all?
QED put forth the idea that "nothing" was unstable and therefore the universe was created.
However, this leads right back to my question . . .
If "nothing" is unstable, and the universe was composed from nothing spontaneously splitting into energy, then this occurence should have happened and infinite amount of time ago. Also it should have continued until there was no more "nothing" within the confines of the universe.
As neither of these results are true
1) The universe is not infinitely old
2) There are still pockets of space where absolutely nothing exists
I have having trouble accepting what QED is putting forth. . .
Hence I asked him about it. Make more sense now.
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