Philosopher Simon Critchley on a fictional God?

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Philosopher Simon Critchley on a fictional God?

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Atheistic way to use the word God in a way that is open about
that one use it in a way that is not standard religious but practical?

Apology for my poor command of English I I Quote from a site
where Simon Critchley's views are commented on.
is it possible for us to construct a supreme fiction,
that is, a fiction which we know to be a fiction,
but in which we can nonetheless still believe?
I don't know if one can do this but I am willing to try.
we are declaring our relationships to be divine,
as sacred as anything gets! I for one can’t think of
any other terms than religious terms like “god�,
“divine� etc. that are able to sufficiently capture
the full weight of (what) we’re doing here.

It shows that we acknowledge that, contrary to
what the New Atheists think, we need God—
not necessarily the Abrahamic God, but something
that serves the same purpose in our lives.
I don't know how much is Simon Critchley
and how much of that that is Jens Janson own thoughts.

Maybe it is most fair to say it is Jens Janson and
how he read Simon Critchley and as he read him.

Here is link to the whole text.
http://syntheism.org/index.php/2013/03/ ... -word-god/

I hope what I quote is clear enough to share our views on
but read the whole text if you feel unsure of background and so on.

I am not presenting this as a debate or even for heated discussion
the purpose is if one can go along with what Jens Janson suggests?

To see a coming together of friends as something sacred and
that what they do together can be referred to as sacred (godly) activity.

God as a verb more than God as an entity
. Like Music.
Music as a verb is that Musicians play and the listener
actively play along in their head and together they are music being done.

Maybe my bad logic.In case you wonder why on earth I set up the thread.

One Who Belongs Nowhere I want to believe in a fictional God
that one can have faith in without going into supernatural ideas.
A totally atheist God. Not a delusional God but a known fictional God.

What one do together is real the symbol word God is the fictional name for it.

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Re: Philosopher Simon Critchley on a fictional God?

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You want to believe in a fictional god? Without being metaphysical?

Believe in the nation-state, the government, and whatever potentate rises to the top of the food chain therein.

Be warned, however, such a god will assume to itself the authority to determine what is and is not right for you.
-It will subvert and destroy your free will to think, act and live.
-It will determine what size cup you drink your favorite beverage from, whether or not you can smoke or drink and where you may or may not be allowed to do so.
-It will determine who you shall or shall not lie down with in marriage.
-It will deny you the right to participate in the state's decisions on domestic and foreign policy, expecting you to endorse, with enthusiasm, all its decisions.
-It will deny you liberty, forcing you to become a slave.

"Freedom is an illusion. The sooner you get used to that, the sooner you'll feel better."
- The Avengers movie 2012 Walt Disney Studios

There is no alternative action here. If you deny the laws of God, then you will automatically be subject to the laws of the state. And the state never rules well.

God as a verb rather than God as a personality.

A verb doesn't care. God does.
A verb doesn't grant or remove life as God does.
A verb does not speak. God does.
A verb is only a part of language. God is the word.

Everything about the universe has personality to some degree whether you acknowledge a spiritual source or not.

Personality is visible in all higher life forms. If you've ever had a pet, you know what I'm talking about. If you've ever referred to the impersonal elements of planet earth as Mother Nature, you know what I'm talking about. If you've ever referred to an inanimate object in the personal 'he' or 'she', you know what I'm talking about. (ex: ships are referred to in the female, financial markets are referred to as animals bull or bear, the sun is referred to in the masculine Helios, etc.)

Intellect is never neutral and the supreme intellectual power is God.

In the Bible, the Qur'an and the Torah, holy records of the three major religions in the world, God is referred to as a being with personality.

97% of the population on the planet believe in some form of spiritual reality with personality - in God as a personality. It is an inescapable point of logic.

Even those who wish to escape the identity of God or not God are forced to use personality in part of their own discussion whether they acknowledge it in their hearts or not.

Finally, there is the person of Jesus Christ. God in the flesh who walked among us demonstrated personality as a man and powers as God. He demonstrated wisdom, compassion, purpose and love as well as the ability to survive the most heinous treatment by those who hated Him. I speak of His crucifixion and resurrection.

If you would know the mind and heart and actions of God, study Christ. He is the way, the truth and the life. No one comes to God except by Him.

and that's just me, hollering from the choir loft...
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Born in the spring,
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Stabbed in the back,
forsaken by all.

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Oh finally somebody caring about me
and then when I read your response
then I realize that I am not sure if I get you at all

I guess you don't agree with Simon Critchley at all.

I find his ideas rather interesting. Here is others that also do that.

http://syntheism.org/index.php/2013/03/ ... -word-god/
what is the Holy Spirit?
It is the community of believers united by love—
or in Syntheist terminology: Syntheos,
the god made manifest through our coming together,
the god we create through our interactions.
So to them Syntheos represent their coming together.
A kind of fictional story about something very real.
their community and the individual members participating
in that togetherness.

I find it hopeful. It is neither faith in a delusion or disbelief
in sacred togetherness that many atheists have.

Syntheism is beyond the old theist/atheist dichotomy.

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