Separating Facts and Feelings with Language .

[Makahiya2028]

I have spent a lot of time discussing theology in Christian forums.

The central critical issue in theology is final authority.

Catholics believe their church is the final authority.

Baptist believe scripture is the final authority,

so final canonization becomes the issue.


I want to start by saying I sincerity appreciate this forum site !

I'd like to make a couple critical statement.


Everyone, even Christians, have the exact same issues with the God of the Holy Bible.

Dr. Peter Ruckman, Ph.D. is the most prolific author of bible apologetics/polemics of all time.

I have spent 30 years reading his books, watching his videos

and personally conferenced with him over the years.

Even Dr. Ruckman openly stated that he does not like the presentation of eternal damnation in the Holy Bible.

I spent time with Dr. Paul Kurtz, the co-author of the humanists manifesto II,

he also does not like the presentation of eternal damnation in the Holy Bible.


This time in your forum is important to me !



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[Makahiya2028]

[Replying to post 1 by Makahiya2028]


Most of humanity believe there is a God (monotheism) or gods (polytheism).

Obviously there are far more doctoral dissertations by theists than agnostics

and atheists (against the idea of God).

I've read some of all three. We can not go through any of them online,

but I do want to carefully consider what is called in academic literature

"Problems in Theology" .


I heard a man say, " If God is love, he has a funny way of showing it. "

The single biggest issue is hell .



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[JoeyKnothead]

From the OP:

Yes, no, maybe, Obama's coming for our guns.

Please insert appropriate answer for whatever it is we're debating.

[Makahiya2028]

yes, he is coming for our bibles and guns

[JoeyKnothead]

From Post 4:

yes, he is coming for our bibles and guns

Please update your OP to reflect this as the topic for debate.

Or at least tell us what the heck it is we're debating if that ain't it.

[Makahiya2028]

[Replying to post 5 by JoeyKnothead]

The message of the Holy Bible .

[Danmark]

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[Makahiya2028]

[Replying to post 7 by Danmark]

Thank You

[2ndpillar]

[Replying to post 1 by Makahiya2028]

Dear Mak,
The "bible" is not holy. The canon of the bible was formalized by a mother of harlots, who sits on the beast (empire of Rome as 5th thru 8th head of the beast). Your basic premise is wrong. Whether the Roman church and her pope, supposed heir of Petros, is the "rock" the church is built on, or her canon, which consists of the good seed, mixed with the seed of the evil one, the tares, is a false comparison.

The rock, petra, the church is built on is the Spirit of Revelation (Mt 16:17), which is exemplified by the "testimony of Yeshua" (Revelation 19:10). The only firm foundation is to heed the testimony of Yeshua (Mt 7:26). Those that heed Petros, the small stone, also a term applied to Simon Bar Jonas, rely on a small stone (petros), which is like unto building a house on sand, and when the rains and wind come, the house will fall (Mt 7:27). Per Isaiah 22:25, all who hang onto this head of household, who supposedly holds the keys of David, will be "cut off".

[Divine Insight]

[Replying to post 5 by JoeyKnothead]

The message of the Holy Bible .

Here, I started a thread for you Makahiya:

What is the Message of the Holy Bible?

I've already posted my answer to this question. Perhaps you can type in your answer.

Keep in mind that the thread I started is in "General Chat". So you don't need to "debate" my position in that thread. Just state your own position.

If you would like to debate my position we can do that in another thread.