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Does Christ speak and how?

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May you have peace!

A question that continues to be posed to me is with regard to my bearing witness to a living and speaking Christ. How does He speak? What does that mean? How can we test that?

I imagine that one reason the questions are continually posed to me is because I cannot provide the proof that some are asking me to provide. I can only provide evidence in the form of:

a) Personal testimony from having heard Christ
b) The written testimony of or about others who have heard Christ
c) What Christ Himself is written to have said on the matter


If none of the above are acceptable to someone, then I am not sure what more that person and I would have to talk about on this particular matter. We could hopefully discuss respectfully from a point of love, reason, logic. For those who are interested...


Christ said that His sheep would hear His voice.

My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me." John 10:27

"I am the good shepherd, and I know My own and My own know Me, even as the Father knows Me and I know the Father; and I lay down My life for the sheep. "I have other sheep, which are not of this fold; I must bring them also, and they will hear My voice; and they will become one flock with one shepherd.…" John 10:14-16



Written testimony about/from others who heard His voice, confirming the truth of what He said:

The Spirit told Philip, "Go to that chariot and stay near it." Acts 8:29

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In Damascus, there was a disciple named Ananias. The Lord called to him in a vision, "Ananias!"

"Yes Lord," he answered.

The Lord told him, "Go to the house of Judas on Straight Street and ask for a man from Tarsus named Saul, for he is praying. In a vision he has seen a man named Ananias come and place his hands on him to restore his sight."
(Acts 9:10,11... and it continues)

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There is Peter's vision telling him that he should eat foods that he considered unclean, and then after his vision:

While Peter was still thinking about the vision, the Spirit (Christ) said to him, "Simon, three men are looking for you. So get up and go downstairs. Do not hesitate to go with them, for I have sent them." (Acts 10: 9-20)

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There are of course multiple examples from Paul. The entire book of Revelation is from Christ to John. There is a warning against hardening our hearts if we hear His voice.

As has just been said: "Today, if you hear his voice, do not harden your hearts as you did in the rebellion." Hebrews 3:15

Then of course there are the examples of Abraham, who heard, Noah, who heard, the prophets, who heard, Joseph, who heard, Daniel, who heard, etc, etc. Their faith is based upon the evidence of what they heard.



My own personal testimony


I did not always know that Christ spoke, and I did not always recognize that voice within me as being His. But someone else bore witness to a living speaking Christ, and it bothered me, lol. I had just ended a two year bible study with a certain denomination, and I did not want to get misled by man ever gain. But here was this person claiming that Christ spoke. If I believed this person, that they were from God, then what was wrong with me that I allowed myself to get misled yet again. On the other hand, what was wrong with me if this person did hear Christ, and I rejected them?

But soon into my dilemma (and my asking how I might know, even though I thought I was just asking myself) I heard:

Test WHAT this person is saying. Test the message. Do not pay attention to the person. Test to see if what this person is saying is true, or not. Then you will know who this person is from.


I still did not know this was Christ speaking to me. I just thought, "Oh, of course... that is what I will do."

So that is what I did. Along the way, I saw all these verses and examples and testimony that Christ does indeed speak, that God spoke also, though now speaks through Christ. In dreams, in visions, in direct words, in reminders, in opening eyes and ears to a truth that one might read, see, or hear. Once I realized that Christ is supposed to speak, I asked for ears to hear as well. Even though I did hear Him; I just did not know I heard Him. I needed to learn His voice and recognize Him.

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I was asked how does He speak

He speaks in words. He speaks in visions (I have never had a vision that I am aware of). He speaks in dreams. He can also bring to mind something learned, read, or experienced in the past to help me see the truth in something He is teaching me. He has opened my eyes to something that is written, if I am reading the bible. He can and has read to me something that He is written to have said, so that I hear it in His voice. That was enlightening.

Sometimes when I am responding to something that someone else has asked, He will give me the words to say, or reveal something to me (as in open my heart and ears to understanding something) that I had not previously understood.


The language that He speaks is truth. He has never spoken anything to me that was not true, and that was not from love. And everything He teaches me deepens my understanding of love: His love and the love of His Father.



(As for testing the inspired expression... anything that is in conflict with what Christ teaches cannot be true. Also Christ (truth) comes from love (God), so nothing that He says will be in conflict with love. Especially since the law that is written upon our hearts in the new covenant is the law of love.)


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I do not expect anyone to take my word for these things. I do not take the word of others for what they claim came from Christ. I explained above what I did, what I heard from Christ TO do.

If I have shared anything that helps anyone, then great. If not, then no problem. I am not the one people should be listening to if they are following or desiring to follow Christ... I can only point TO that One: Christ Jaheshua, the Holy One of Israel and Holy Spirit, the Chosen One of Jah. Christ, who is Himself, the faithful and true witness of His Father, Jah.



If one wants to know the truth of this matter themselves... then ask Christ. That is how one can confirm for themselves. Ask for ears to hear, and in the meantime DO what He has said to do, so that you prove yourself to Him. He does not have to prove Himself to us.

"If anyone loves me, they will obey my teaching. My Father will love them, and we will come and make our home with (in) them."


(Please note that He says that they will obey HIS teaching. Not man's teaching. Not religion or religious leaders, not Paul, not the law, or anyone or anything else over Him. If we love HIM... we will obey HIM. If we love someone or something else more, then we will listen to and obey that one/thing. Including if we love our religion more than Him, although we might not realize it at the time. Including if we think the bible is the Word of God, especially when even that book states that Christ is the Word of God; and Christ himself said, "You diligently search the scriptures because you think that by them you have eternal life. These are the scriptures that testify about ME, yet you refuse to come to me to have life.")



May anyone who wishes them be given ears to hear, to get a sense of these things, and to hear as the Spirit (Christ) and the bride SAY to you, "Come... take the free gift of the water of life."


Peace again to you,
your servant and a slave of Christ,
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nobspeople wrote: Thu Sep 02, 2021 1:43 pm
tam wrote: Tue Aug 31, 2021 5:50 pm Peace to you,
William wrote: Tue Aug 31, 2021 5:38 pm WHY are such claims even voiced by said claimants?


To bear witness to Christ, to the truth, to serve/assist those who are seeking Him, and to respond to those who do have questions (such as in the case of this thread).



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You can't have it one way only, without visiting the other side of the argument. If, that is, you want to find out the truth, not just accept one's narrow view of the truth.
I can have it one way only when I am referring to just myself.


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Peace to you,
nobspeople wrote: Thu Sep 02, 2021 1:54 pm b) Which ones? The ones accepted and accredited by 'the church'? What about the gnostic ones? Oh yeah, they're not 'considered' to be legit. What about the other writings of christ? Not to mention you're asking someone to base their life on stories written by imperfect dead men, translated by others, then edited by even more. But yeah, let's look at the book.
I'm not asking anyone to do anything (and certainly not that).
But let's assume he does exist.
You're telling someone to go to the guy that says he's 'the truth'? That's like telling a person: "See that con-man over there selling snake oil? Go to him. He can sell you some good ol' snake oil!"
In other words, it makes zeros sense.
Does it though?

If someone said that He would rise from the dead, and He did in fact do this (so that He does in fact exist and is alive)... that is not snake oil.



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Re: Does Christ speak and how?

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tam wrote: Mon Sep 06, 2021 7:25 pm
nobspeople wrote: Thu Sep 02, 2021 1:43 pm
tam wrote: Tue Aug 31, 2021 5:50 pm Peace to you,
William wrote: Tue Aug 31, 2021 5:38 pm WHY are such claims even voiced by said claimants?


To bear witness to Christ, to the truth, to serve/assist those who are seeking Him, and to respond to those who do have questions (such as in the case of this thread).



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You can't have it one way only, without visiting the other side of the argument. If, that is, you want to find out the truth, not just accept one's narrow view of the truth.
I can have it one way only when I am referring to just myself.


Peace again to you.
So it seems the bolded statement is what you're saying here.
Thanks for the calrification.
Have a great, potentially godless, day!

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tam wrote: Mon Sep 06, 2021 7:39 pm Peace to you,
nobspeople wrote: Thu Sep 02, 2021 1:54 pm b) Which ones? The ones accepted and accredited by 'the church'? What about the gnostic ones? Oh yeah, they're not 'considered' to be legit. What about the other writings of christ? Not to mention you're asking someone to base their life on stories written by imperfect dead men, translated by others, then edited by even more. But yeah, let's look at the book.
I'm not asking anyone to do anything (and certainly not that).
But let's assume he does exist.
You're telling someone to go to the guy that says he's 'the truth'? That's like telling a person: "See that con-man over there selling snake oil? Go to him. He can sell you some good ol' snake oil!"
In other words, it makes zeros sense.
Does it though?

If someone said that He would rise from the dead, and He did in fact do this (so that He does in fact exist and is alive)... that is not snake oil.



Peace again to you.
Anytime you ask someone to reference a biblical story, you're doing just that, even though it doesn't set your claim.

Is there proof he raised someone from the dead outside the bible? Scientific proof? Not evidence, suggestion, stories, blah blah blah. But real, testable, verifiable proof?
Surely your christ is capable of providing that, yes? He's not a petty snake oil salesmen? Many people alive at the time of christ thought he similar to that themselves. But today, after reading what dead men wrote about him, we 'believe'?
Have a great, potentially godless, day!

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[Replying to nobspeople in post #203]

I think it is obvious that is not what I am saying.

As to your second post, those questions have been asked and answered. Some even in the OP.




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In regard to Mysticism, the idea of "hearing the Lords voice" [thunder claps literally as I right that - I so appreciate coincidence] is a step the initiate must apply in order to eventually pass through the Gateway to Life [as Jesus called it] and the hesitancy which accompanies this potential is to do with conflating one voice with the other - the "Masters" Voice with the "Slaves" Voice.

The recognition as to which is which is difficult because the ego-personality is afraid of losing its position of "author of its own story" - especially with the added layer of material coagulated as belief, pulling those strings.

The answer is simple enough and not out of synch with what Christ Teaches.

It is not that Christ wants one to stop writing their own story, so much as it is Christ offering one to incorporate ones own story with Christ.

This in effect creates a product of co-creation and therein one learns to trust ones [new] self and the anxiety of 'getting it wrong' or ' knowing which voice is which' departs the initiate as they learn to understand that while they still have the notion that their voice is in some type of competition with Christ and thus should not be trusted, then yes - such should not be trusted.

This phasing into the Christ Vibration effectively means one cannot tell any difference because there is no difference to be seen/felt to being real.

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Peace to you all,
[Replying to William in post #206]

in order to eventually pass through the Gateway to Life [as Jesus called it]
My Lord's name is not "jesus", but rather Jaheshua (meaning JAH saves/savior of JAH).

I'm not sure what you are referring to William, but the gate (and also the way) that Christ spoke of is Himself.


“Very truly I tell you, I am the gate for the sheep. 8 All who have come before me are thieves and robbers, but the sheep have not listened to them. 9 I am the gate; whoever enters through me will be saved."


"I am the Way, the Truth, and the Life. No one comes to the Father except through me."




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[Replying to tam in post #207]

The Gate to Life as biblical Jesus referred to it Tam.

[there is no need to get hung-up about the name "Jesus" either.]

The Gateway to Life is the entry into The Mystery [Mysticism]. Biblical Jesus is obviously a mystic. Has your Masters Voice not yet informed you of that?

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Peace to you,
William wrote: Tue Sep 07, 2021 7:21 pm [Replying to tam in post #207]

The Gate to Life as biblical Jesus referred to it Tam.
So this then, from my previous post?

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...but the gate (and also the way) that Christ spoke of is Himself.


“Very truly I tell you, I am the gate for the sheep. 8 All who have come before me are thieves and robbers, but the sheep have not listened to them. 9 I am the gate; whoever enters through me will be saved."


"I am the Way, the Truth, and the Life. No one comes to the Father except through me."


Because that doesn't seem to be what you are saying. In previous exchanges, you have claimed that "Jesus" said the same thing that you are saying, but upon examination, that turns out not to be true. So is that what you were referring to?


[there is no need to get hung-up about the name "Jesus" either.]
There is, if one cares about what is true, especially about Christ.


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[Replying to tam in post #209]

From what I can gather, the things taught by biblical you-know-who are part of the Great Mystery which Mysticism/Mystics understand - all to various degrees.

"Gateways" and the like are referencing mystical truths and you will find no reference to anything I have offered on this forum which is against Christ.
In previous exchanges, you have claimed that "Jesus" said the same thing that you are saying, but upon examination, that turns out not to be true.
I know of no 'examination' nor have I seen any published results regarding your apparent claim above.

If you are incorrect in your examination re my position, it is possible you are also incorrect about your claims re your relationship re How Christ Speaks, which was the reason I offered what I have, in a previous post. - you cross-examine me, I do unto you, the same.

That is also why I offer Hebrew as part of the Mystery Package - as conformational evidence. As a safe place in which one can examine confirmation techniques, as I know how nervous you have been about such things.

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