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Do you consider other Christians to be "unsaved" and on the road to annihiation for worshiping Jesus? And not being members of the Jehovah's Witness organization?
My theological positions:

-God created us in His image, not the other way around.
-The Bible is redeemed by it's good parts.
-Pure monotheism, simple repentance.
-YHVH is LORD
-The real Jesus is not God, the real YHVH is not a monster.
-Eternal life is a gift from the Living God.
-Keep the Commandments, keep your salvation.
-I have accepted YHVH as my Heavenly Father, LORD and Savior.

I am inspired by Jesus to worship none but YHVH, and to serve only Him.

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[Replying to post 1 by Elijah John]

What do you mean by "unsaved". It's not an expression I believe I have ever read in any of our literature and not a word I have come across outside some evangelical circles, so I hesitate to put a meaning to it and say "yes" or "no". I suspect it has something to do with eternal damnation.

As for whether one is considered "on the road to annihiation for worshiping Jesus?" No I wouldn't say that that would be what would put someone on a "road to annihilation". We are all born on the road to death or annihilation by reason of Adam's sin, Jehovah's Witnesses believe only Jesus is "the way" to escape that Adamic sin.

And not being members of the Jehovah's Witness organization? Jesus spoke of two roads, one leading to life and the other to death. It is The True God (not an organization) that that road leads to. Jehovah's Witnesses believe that those that God judges as worthy of life along with millions that never got a chance during their lifetimes to learn about the True God will be given the chance to and gain life, through that one.

What role does the organization (religion) of Jehovah's Witnesses play in the above? The modern day organization of Jehovah's Witnesses has not always existed, but in our modern era, Jehovah has seen fit to gather his people together to better care for their spiritual and physical needs. Jehovah's Witnesses represent the only true religion on earth at this moment, and the means by which millions are being taught about the true God, by learning about (and worshipping) God they put themselves in line for life.

As for who will ultimately get eternal life? ALL will be judged by Jesus, both inside and outside the organization, Jehovah's Witnesses will never presume to say who will be judged favorably, we only point people towards the only reliable source of accurate information about God (the bible) and the only religion teaching the truth by which they can learn about the True God (Jehovah's Witnesses) and leave the matter of "annihilation" in the hands of He who controls such matters.

Hope that helps,


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Re: For JW's

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JehovahsWitness wrote: [Replying to post 1 by Elijah John]

What do you mean by "unsaved". It's not an expression I believe I have ever read in any of our literature and not a word I have come across outside some evangelical circles, so I hesitate to put a meaning to it and say "yes" or "no". I suspect it has something to do with eternal damnation.
It could mean either. Annihilation or eternal damnation in hell.
JehovahsWitness wrote: As for whether one is considered "on the road to annihiation for worshiping Jesus?" No I wouldn't say that that would be what would put someone on a "road to annihilation". We are all born on the road to death or annihilation by reason of Adam's sin, Jehovah's Witnesses believe only Jesus is "the way" to escape that Adamic sin.
You have that in common with Evangelicals, literalists, and Fundamentalists.
JehovahsWitness wrote: And not being members of the Jehovah's Witness organization? Jesus spoke of two roads, one leading to life and the other to death. It is The True God (not an organization) that that road leads to. Jehovah's Witnesses believe that those that God judges as worthy of life along with millions that never got a chance during their lifetimes to learn about the True God will be given the chance to and gain life, through that one.
Is there Scriptural support for this belief in a 2nd chance?
JehovahsWitness wrote: What role does the organization (religion) of Jehovah's Witnesses play in the above? The modern day organization of Jehovah's Witnesses has not always existed, but in our modern era, Jehovah has seen fit to gather his people together to better care for their spiritual and physical needs. Jehovah's Witnesses represent the only true religion on earth at this moment, and the means by which millions are being taught about the true God, by learning about (and worshipping) God they put themselves in line for life.
I will grant you this. I think you folks have the most accurate interpretation of the New Testament, with the exception of the whole "Jesus is Michael the Archangel" doctrine, and speculation about the details of the end times.

But on the nature of Jesus being completely human, and the Pauline blood theolgy, It seems you folks are spot-on Biblical.

Doesn't mean I agree, because of my own issues with portions of the NT. I admit they are my positions, based on my own interpretations of the NT in light of the OT/Hebrew Bible.

But as it it written, you folks seem more accurate in your interpretation than does orthodox, (small "o") conventional or Creedal Christianity.

Also, don't Christadephians share simliar beliefs, as to the nature of Christ etc?
JehovahsWitness wrote: As for who will ultimately get eternal life? ALL will be judged by Jesus, both inside and outside the organization, Jehovah's Witnesses will never presume to say who will be judged favorably, we only point people towards the only reliable source of accurate information about God (the bible) and the only religion teaching the truth by which they can learn about the True God (Jehovah's Witnesses) and leave the matter of "annihilation" in the hands of He who controls such matters.

Hope that helps,


Further reading
http://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/2009560

Jehovah's Witness
It does help, thanks JW for taking the time.

Regarding the "only accurate" source I might change that to "most accurate" among Christians. But I think Muslims and Jews also have very accurate information about God, and what He is like and what He expects of us.

But I realize, that is one place where you and I disagree. ;)
My theological positions:

-God created us in His image, not the other way around.
-The Bible is redeemed by it's good parts.
-Pure monotheism, simple repentance.
-YHVH is LORD
-The real Jesus is not God, the real YHVH is not a monster.
-Eternal life is a gift from the Living God.
-Keep the Commandments, keep your salvation.
-I have accepted YHVH as my Heavenly Father, LORD and Savior.

I am inspired by Jesus to worship none but YHVH, and to serve only Him.

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