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Do JW's examine the nature of the imagery of their sect?

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Imagery is a powerful device in which to capture the imaginations of individuals for the purpose of enticing them into supporting that which is imaged.

Every business - secular or religious based - know the importance of imagery in relation to attracting investors/supporters of said business.

Q: What are the kind of people who are attracted to JW imagery, and why do these particular types fill a niche in the market?

The organisation is able to be studied in this light, as an example as to how long it takes for a small business to gain popularity and how long it takes for the business to grow in the hustle-bustle of the market place and what clientele the organisation is attracting which are otherwise not accounted for in said market place.

The image below, is just one of many which are used to attract a particular type of human being with the expectation of getting them to part with money, and the method used to spread this organisations advertising involves getting the clients themselves to promote the business by freely distributing the propaganda door to door, not even having to pay said clients for the service, as the clients believe they are doing so for the Christian sects claimed leader, "Jehovah", and therefore willingly promote the JW.Org for free, based upon the promise of reward "When Jesus (Jehovah's representative) returns" - or some similar type promise. "Pay in this life - get your reward for service in the next"

With images of what that promised next life will be like.

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There are of course many types of imagery used by this organisation, which gives a clear indication of the types of individuals that the business is focused upon attracting, to build the numbers and maintain their piece of the action in the marketplace.

The image above, represents a white middle-class nuclear family walking hand in hand toward an idyllic scene, appropriately costumed in acceptable garb, and no other humans around.

Q: What does this image invoke in the individual who identifies with it?
Q: Who is most likely going to identify with it?

Obviously the JW organisation is reaching out to white middle class family orientated folk as one type of customer in which they feel their message will take hold and earn money from.

I, for one, can bear witness to the fact that white middle class people representing the organization are predominately the ones knocking on my door, trying to get me to buy into the JW.orgs imagery.

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Re: Do JW's examine the nature of the imagery of their sect?

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[Replying to post 38 by JehovahsWitness]
CONCLUSION The absence of same sex couples showing affection for each other in a picture of a biblical paradise does not reflect hatred or a bigotry towards such people, it merely displays a contexual coherence and a desire to accuratly illustrate bible passages.
The reader will note that regardless of the claimed assumed authority endorsing bigotry, bigotry is still bigotry and any organization which uses assumed authority - including 'The Bible' and specifically the authors of written bigotry, who's writings are included in the accepted script of assumed authority - are simply transferring the responsibility of blame for their own attitudes - when in agreement to said bigoted writing - and using that script as their reason for practicing bigotry.

In Truth;

Bigotry is still bigotry whether;

Uttered and subsequently captured/recorded in word or image by a human scribe.

1: By a GOD , a Devil/Satan, an Angel or a Demon...
or

2: By Inter-Dimensional Beings, Aliens or other Human Beings.

Therefore, a Human Being cannot In Truth;

1:Point to any GOD, Devil/Satan, Angel, Demon, Inter-Dimensional Being, Alien or other Human Being and claim they are not being bigoted simply for supporting and repeating bigotry.

2: Expect other Human Beings to accept said bigotry as The Truth simply because it has the assumed authority of any GOD, Devil/Satan, Angel, Demon, Inter-Dimensional Being, Alien or other Human Being.

CONCLUSION: Bigotry is still bigotry - regardless of where it derives from.

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Re: Do JW's examine the nature of the imagery of their sect?

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[Replying to post 41 by William]

Your reply has been duly noted.






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Re: Do JW's examine the nature of the imagery of their sect?

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[Replying to post 41 by William]

It seems to me in this type of reply the person's mind has already per-judged who they think is a bigot. If they can't find it than they will make something up. There is no convincing a person otherwise because the group has already been judged. That what is defined in a dictionary as prejudice. "A preconceived opinion that is not based on reason or actual experience; make biased." They have taken what they have seen in a picture and without further investigation judged a group to be a bigot. Have they gone to a place where JWs worship to see if they are bigots? No. Do they have some video footage of JWs spewing hate at another group of any kind? No. I only see fabricated evidence that only exists in a person's imagination. As another poster has already said in this very thread, someone is 'grasping at straws'.

The reason you will not find same sex couple pictures in JW literature is not because we are bigots. It's because such an image is not supported by the Bible. (1 Cor 6:9) However, hate toward same sex couples or anyone is not scriptural either. (1 Peter 2:17). One sin is not better or worse than another. We all fall short of the glory of God. (Romans 3:23) To judge another's sin we better be ready to have our sins judged by that same judgement we dish out. (Mark 4:24) So while you'll never see a JW publication image condone homosexuality you will also never see an image of JWs doing harm to such a couple either. That would include images showing picketing, physical harm or even rallying to vote for or against some law on same sex couples.

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Re: Do JW's examine the nature of the imagery of their sect?

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[Replying to post 43 by 2timothy316]
The reason you will not find same sex couple pictures in JW literature is not because we are bigots. It's because such an image is not supported by the Bible.
Bigotry is still bigotry. Therefore, a Human Being cannot In Truth;

1:Point to any GOD, Devil/Satan, Angel, Demon, Inter-Dimensional Being, Alien or other Human Being and claim they are not being bigoted simply for supporting and repeating bigotry.

2: Expect other Human Beings to accept said bigotry as The Truth simply because it has the assumed authority of any GOD, Devil/Satan, Angel, Demon, Inter-Dimensional Being, Alien or other Human Being. [~]

CONCLUSION: Bigotry is still bigotry - regardless of where it derives from.
However, hate toward same sex couples or anyone is not scriptural either.
Bigotry can bloom into hatred and may well even be the evidence of hidden/occulted hatred, but generically it means prejudice, bias, partiality, partisanship, sectarianism, discrimination, unfairness, injustice;

If one were to proclaim "However, bigotry toward same sex couples or anyone is not scriptural either." that would not ring true, because certain bigoted writing is proven to exist within biblical script, and as a result - those who lean toward bigotry are very likely to be attracted to such writing.

Also - as I wrote in post#26;
As importantly, what the imagery does not include can also show the reader a great deal as to what the over prevailing attitude of those who join the organization is, as I wrote in posts#22 and 24.
In post#32 I also wrote;

So lets go with that argument at face value.
"No manner of person is excluded from the JW Org."
This makes great business sense, because $ are $ wherever the $ come from, heterosexuals, gays, lesbians, hippies, gang members etc are all potential customers.


Q: Where in the "New Earth" imagery or the JW Organisation, are these types obviously portrayed for all to see?

A: Nowhere

As the reader can clearly see, while the types of human beings excluded from the 'New Earth" imagery...because it is reasoned that that - "The scriptures of the bible exclude such people", - such excluded folk are still seen as people whom $ can be extracted from as part of the niche market identified by the organization and capitalized on.

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I only see fabricated evidence that only exists in a person's imagination...someone is 'grasping at straws'...
The reader will note how the JW Organization so thoroughly imbues in its willful adherents the ability to turn a blind eye to the obvious evidence when said evidence clearly shows the sect to be well and truly at fault.
The evidence is simply hand-waved away as something which "only exists in a person's imagination" and that person is 'grasping at straws'.

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William wrote: [Replying to post 43 by 2timothy316]
The reason you will not find same sex couple pictures in JW literature is not because we are bigots. It's because such an image is not supported by the Bible.
Bigotry is still bigotry.
It appears you do not understand the meaning of the word. MW adds "one who regards or treats the members of a group (such as a racial or ethnic group) with hatred and intolerance."
From the opening post has been nothing but showing intolerance for some photos. Not for what they do show but what they don't show. Since it doesn't show what you want or fit your viewpoint you accuse us as bigots? It's clear JWs are not the intolerant ones here.

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Re: Do JW's examine the nature of the imagery of their sect?

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[Replying to post 46 by 2timothy316]

Let's get back to the topic at hand shall we which is an examination of JW artwork.


I think its clear that the accusation of targeting only white families, a segregated paradise on racial grounds or no attempt to reach out (attract) certain segments of society has been dealt with. We have both made it clear that pictures of Harmageddon or paradise are illustrating scriptures and that the JW policy is not to have any elements in them that cannot be supported by scripture. This is not a debating sub-forum so what more is there to add?

This thread is to is to get to know JW ARTWORK better and I, for one, welcome the opportunity.



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Re: Do JW's examine the nature of the imagery of their sect?

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[Replying to post 44 by William]

William,

Did you have another JW image you would like to focus on? If you post the picture I'll be happy to post the corresponding bible verse(s) along with an analysis of the content.
William wrote: The purpose of this thread is to explore ALL of the imagery as it is posted...
Emphasis MINE




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"one who regards or treats the members of a group (such as a racial or ethnic group) with hatred and intolerance."
CONCLUSION: Bigotry is still bigotry - regardless of where it derives from.
you accuse us as bigots?


Human Beings cannot In Truth;

1:Point to any GOD, Devil/Satan, Angel, Demon, Inter-Dimensional Being, Alien or other Human Being and claim they are not being bigoted simply for supporting and repeating bigotry.
I think its clear that the accusation of targeting only white families, a segregated paradise on racial grounds or no attempt to reach out (attract) certain segments of society has been dealt with.
As importantly, what the imagery does not include can also show the reader a great deal as to what the over prevailing attitude of those who join the organization is, as I wrote in posts#22 and 24.

CONCLUSION: Overall, the 'paradise' promised and imaged in the organizations artwork shows that the segregation has already occurred and is attractive to those who are bigoted in relation to their particular preferences, The organization promotes this bigotry in its artwork.

Thus the imagery shows us - along with the explanations of the imagery, that the JW organisation as a business is attracting a certain type of clientele which meets its criteria. No Gays or Lesbians, no dreadlocks, no body art, no untrimmed beards, no men with long hair...these images are what can be referred to as 'stock images'. Stating the reason for the bigotry is because one is faithfully following and supporting biblical bigotry is no excuse for bigotry.

Q: Do JW's examine the nature of the imagery of their sect?

CONCLUSION: According to the responses given in this thread by members of the sect, no, they do not.'

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[Replying to post 49 by William]

Duly noted.


Was there another image you wanted to post?
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