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A Question for Biblical Literalists

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I've been seeing on several other boards lately some pretty strange things that are being taught and believed by those who hold to a literal interpretation of the Bible, and I was curious as to how many Christans here believe in these things, and if they do, then why.

Are there any Christians here who believe in a literal interpretation of the Bible and believe any of the following:

1. geocentrism
2. flat earth
3. dinosaurs and man co-existed

If you do believe in these things, then why? I realize that if you do believe in them, then your main reason would be because it's in the Bible, but I want scientific reasoning why you would believe these things. I'm also curious as to how Christians who don't believe in these things, yet still hold to a literal interpretation of the Bible, explain their being found in the Bible.
Al-Baqarah 256 (Yusuf Ali translation) "Truth stands out clear from error"

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McCulloch wrote:
kayky wrote:If humans and dinosaurs co-existed, why are their remains never found together?
GentleDove wrote:I believe dinosaurs and humans co-existed; however, I don't believe that it was common for them to co-habitate, ala "The Flintstones."
Clearly they did not cohabitate. But if they lived in the same environment, close enough that the humans made graphic representations of them and had myths about them, then one would expect that their remains would be found in the same geological layers. What evidence do you have that the biologists are wrong?
Which biologists?

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Fisherking wrote:
McCulloch wrote:
kayky wrote:If humans and dinosaurs co-existed, why are their remains never found together?
GentleDove wrote:I believe dinosaurs and humans co-existed; however, I don't believe that it was common for them to co-habitate, ala "The Flintstones."
Clearly they did not cohabitate. But if they lived in the same environment, close enough that the humans made graphic representations of them and had myths about them, then one would expect that their remains would be found in the same geological layers. What evidence do you have that the biologists are wrong?
Which biologists?
The 99%+ of the biologists that do not let their religious beliefs get in the way of their understanding of profession.
“What do you think science is? There is nothing magical about science. It is simply a systematic way for carefully and thoroughly observing nature and using consistent logic to evaluate results. So which part of that exactly do you disagree with? Do you disagree with being thorough? Using careful observation? Being systematic? Or using consistent logic?�

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goat wrote:
Fisherking wrote:
McCulloch wrote:
kayky wrote:If humans and dinosaurs co-existed, why are their remains never found together?
GentleDove wrote:I believe dinosaurs and humans co-existed; however, I don't believe that it was common for them to co-habitate, ala "The Flintstones."
Clearly they did not cohabitate. But if they lived in the same environment, close enough that the humans made graphic representations of them and had myths about them, then one would expect that their remains would be found in the same geological layers. What evidence do you have that the biologists are wrong?
Which biologists?
The 99%+ of the biologists that do not let their religious beliefs get in the way of their understanding of profession.
What proof can you offer that their religious/non-religious posistions don't affect their understanding of their profession?

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Fisherking wrote:
goat wrote:
Fisherking wrote:
McCulloch wrote:
kayky wrote:If humans and dinosaurs co-existed, why are their remains never found together?
GentleDove wrote:I believe dinosaurs and humans co-existed; however, I don't believe that it was common for them to co-habitate, ala "The Flintstones."
Clearly they did not cohabitate. But if they lived in the same environment, close enough that the humans made graphic representations of them and had myths about them, then one would expect that their remains would be found in the same geological layers. What evidence do you have that the biologists are wrong?
Which biologists?
The 99%+ of the biologists that do not let their religious beliefs get in the way of their understanding of profession.
What proof can you offer that their religious/non-religious posistions don't affect their understanding of their profession?
Because they use peer reviewed journals to demonstrate that their proposals are reasonable and accurate. They make testable and repeatable predictions on things as part of their peer review.

Unlike ... well, religious fundamentalists that misrepresent facts.
“What do you think science is? There is nothing magical about science. It is simply a systematic way for carefully and thoroughly observing nature and using consistent logic to evaluate results. So which part of that exactly do you disagree with? Do you disagree with being thorough? Using careful observation? Being systematic? Or using consistent logic?�

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McCulloch wrote: What evidence do you have that the biologists are wrong?
Fisherking wrote:Which biologists?
  1. Stephen T. Abedon
    Associate Professor of Microbiology, Ohio State University
    Ph.D., Microbiology, University of Arizona
    Creator of The Bacteriophage Ecology Group, Home of Phage Ecology and Evolutionary Biology (www.phage.org)
  2. Steven G. Ackleson
    Oceanographer, Office of Naval Research
    Ph.D., Marine Studies, University of Delaware
  3. Stephen A. Adam
    Associate Professor, Department of Cell and Molecular Biology, Feinberg School of Medicine, Northwestern University
    Ph.D., Biochemistry, Molecular, and Cell Biology, Northwestern University
  4. Steven Reid Adams
    Assistant Professor, Department of Biology, University of Central Arkansas
    Ph.D., Zoology, Southern Illinois University
  5. Steve Adolph
    Professor of Biology, Harvey Mudd College
    Ph.D., Zoology, University of Washington
  6. Steven K. Akiyama
    Scientist, Laboratory of Molecular Carcinogenesis, National Institute of Environmental Health Sciences, National Institutes of Health
    Ph.D., Chemistry, Cornell University
  7. Stephen B. Aley
    Associate Professor of Biological Sciences, University of Texas, El Paso
    Ph.D., Biology, Rockefeller University
  8. Stephen C. Alley
    Senior Scientist, Seattle Genetics, Inc.
    Ph.D., Chemistry, University of Washington
  9. Steven D. Allison
    Assistant Professor, Departments of Ecology & Evolutionary Biology and Earth System Science, University of California, Irvine
    Ph.D., Biological Sciences, Stanford University
  10. Steven I. Altchuler
    Assistant Professor of Psychiatry, Mayo Clinic College of Medicine; Consultant in Psychiatry, Mayo Clinic
    Ph.D., Nutritional Biochemistry and Metabolism, Massachusetts Institute of Technology; M.D., Baylor College of Medicine
  11. Steven C. Anderson
    Emeritus Professor of Biology, University of the Pacific
    Ph.D., Biology, Stanford University
  12. Steven Anschel
    Director, Local Public Health Sales, Netsmart Technologies, Inc.
    Ph.D., Zoology, University of Maryland
  13. Stephen W. Arch
    L. N. Ruben Professor of Biology, Reed College
    Ph.D., Biology, University of Chicago
  14. Steve Archer
    Professor of Rangeland and Forest Resources, University of Arizona
    Ph.D., Rangeland Ecosystem Science, Colorado State University, Ft. Collins
  15. Stevan J. Arnold
    Professor of Zoology, Oregon State University
    Ph.D., Zoology, University of Michigan
    Past President, Society for the Study of Evolution
  16. Stephen M. Arthur
    Research Biologist, Alaska Department of Fish and Game
    Ph.D., Wildlife Biology, University of Maine
  17. Steven N. Austad
    Professor of Biological Sciences, University of Idaho
    Ph.D., Zoology, Purdue University
    Author, Why We Age
  18. Stephen J. Aves
    Associate Professor of Molecular Biology, University of Exeter
    Ph.D., Biochemistry, University of Bristol
  19. Stephen Charles Bain*
    Reader in Diabetic Medicine and Honorary Consultant Physician, University of Birmingham & Birmingham Heartlands Hospital
    M.D., University of Birmingham
    Member of the Human Genetics Commission
  20. Stephen M. Baird
    Professor of Clinical Pathology, University of California, San Diego School of Medicine
    M.D., Stanford University School of Medicine
  21. Steve Ballard
    Professor of Physiology, College of Medicine, University of South Alabama
    Ph.D., Toxicology,University of North Carolina, Chapel Hill
  22. Steven W. Barger*
    Associate Professor of Geriatrics, Anatomy & Neurobiology, and Internal Medicine University of Arkansas for Medical Sciences
    Research Health Scientist, Geriatric Research Education and Clinical Center, Central Arkansas Veterans Healthcare System
    Ph.D., Cell Biology, Vanderbilt University
  23. Stephen John Barnett*
    Research Scientist, South Australian Research and Development Institute
    Ph.D., Microbial Ecology, University of Adelaide
  24. Stephen Barrett
    Board Chairman, Quackwatch
    M.D., Columbia University
    Recipient of the 2001 Distinguished Service to Health Education Award from the American Association for Health Education
  25. Steven J. Baskauf*
    Senior Lecturer, Biological Sciences, Vanderbilt University
    Ph.D., Biology, Vanderbilt University
  26. Steven Bates
    Lecturer in Molecular Microbiology, University of Exeter
    Ph.D., Molecular Biology, University of Leicester
  27. Steven K. Beckendorf
    Professor of Genetics and Development, University of California, Berkeley
    Ph.D., California Institute of Technology
  28. Stephen M. Becker
    Postdoctoral Fellow, Virginia Commonwealth University; Visiting Assistant Professor, Mary Washington University
    Ph.D., Immunology, Virginia Commonwealth University
  29. Stephen Beckerman
    Associate Professor of Anthropology, Pennsylvania State University
    Ph.D., Anthropology, University of New Mexico
  30. Stephanie Bedhomme
    Post-doctoral Associate Researcher, Animal Evolutionary Ecology Group, Institute for Evolution and Biodiversity, University of Muenster
    Ph.D., Evolutionary Biology, University of Montpellier
    Lead author, "Prevalence-dependent costs of parasite virulence," PLoS Biology 2005; 3: e262.
  31. Steven R. Beissinger
    Chair and Professor of Environmental Science, Policy, and Management, University of California, Berkeley
    Ph.D., Natural Resource Ecology, University of Michigan
  32. Stephen P. Bell
    Professor, Department of Biology, Massachusetts Institute of Technology; Investigator, Howard Hughes Medical Institute
    Ph.D., Biochemistry, University of California, Berkeley
    Coauthor, Molecular Biology of the Gene, 5th ed.
  33. Steve Bell *
    Key Skills Manager, Coleg Sir Gar / Carmarthenshire College
    Ph.D., Molecular Biology, University of Wales, Swansea
  34. Stephanie J. Belovich
    Chair, Basic Sciences Department, Ohio College of Podiatric Medicine
    Ph.D., Biomedical Sciences -- Biological Anthropology, Kent State University
  35. Stephen P. Bentivenga*
    Associate Professor of Biology, University of Wisconsin, Oshkosh
    Ph.D., Plant Pathology, Kansas State University
    Author, "Ecology and evolution of arbuscular mycorrhizal fungi," McIlvainea (1997) 13: 30-39
  36. Steve P. Bernier
    Postdoctoral Fellow, Institut Pasteur
    Ph.D., Microbiology, University of Calgary
  37. Stephen M. Beverley *
    Marvin A. Brennecke Professor and Head of Molecular Microbiology, and Director, Center for Infectious Disease Research, Washington University School of Medicine
    Ph.D., Biochemistry, University of California, Berkeley
  38. Steven Bierer
    Research Associate, Washington National Primate Research Center, University of Washington
    Ph.D., Biomedical Engineering, University of Michigan
  39. Steffen Birk *
    Resident, Department of Neurology, Bispebjerg Hospital, University of Copenhagen
    Ph.D., Medicine (Neuroscience), University of Copenhagen
  40. Steve Black
    Professor of Biology, Reed College
    Ph.D., Genetics, University of California, Berkeley
  41. Stephen Blackmore
    Professor and Regius Keeper, Royal Botanical Garden, Edinburgh
    Ph.D., Plant Taxonomy and Palynology, University of Reading
  42. Steven M. Block
    Professor of Biological Sciences and Professor of Applied Physics, Stanford University
    Ph.D., Biology, California Institute of Technology
    Member, American Academy of Arts and Sciences
  43. Stephen A. Bloye *
    St. Martin's College
    Ph.D., Microbiology, University of Warwick
  44. Steve Blumenshine *
    Associate Professor of Biology, Fresno State University
    Ph.D., Biological Sciences, University of Notre Dame
  45. Steven Bodovitz
    Principal, BioPerspectives
    Ph.D., Neuroscience, Northwestern University
  46. Stephen A. Boffey*
    Associate Dean, Faculty of Natural Sciences, University of Hertfordshire
    Ph.D., Biochemistry, Cambridge University
  47. Stephane Boissinot
    Associate Professor, Department of Biology, Queens College, City University of New York
    Ph.D., Molecular Biology?, Université Montpellier II
  48. Steve Bonasera
    Assistant Professor of Medicine, University of California, San Francisco
    Ph.D., Neuroscience, and M.D., Emory University
  49. Stephen Bondy
    Professor, Department of Community and Environmental Medicine, University of California, Irvine
    Ph.D., Biochemistry, Birmingham University
  50. Stephen Patrick Bonser
    Lecturer, Department of Biological, Earth, and Environmental Sciences, University of New South Wales
    Ph.D., Biology, Queens University
  51. Steven S. Branda *
    American Cancer Society & Charles A. King Trust Postdoctoral Fellow, Department of Microbiology & Molecular Genetics, Harvard Medical School
    Ph.D., Genetics, Yale University School of Medicine
  52. Stephen E. Branz *
    Professor of Chemistry, San Jose State University
    Ph.D., Organic Chemistry, Massachusetts Institute of Technology
  53. Steven E. Brenner
    Professor of Biology?, University of California, Berkeley
    Ph.D., Biological Sciences, Cambridge University
  54. Steven D. Brewer
    Professor of Biology, University of Massachusetts, Amherst
    Ph.D., Science Education, Western Michigan University
  55. Steven Briggs
    Professor of Cell and Developmental Biology, University of California, San Diego
    Ph.D., Plant Pathology, Michigan State University
    Member, National Academy of Sciences
  56. Steven Brill
    Associate Professor of Molecular Biology and Biochemistry, Rutgers University
    Ph.D., Biochemistry, State University of New York, Stony Brook
  57. Stephen Brimijoin
    Professor of Molecular Pharmacology, Mayo Clinic
    Ph.D., Pharmacology, Harvard University
  58. Stephen Brown
    Postdoctoral Fellow, Cambridge University
    Ph.D., Plant Molecular Biology, University of Nottingham
  59. Stephen Brown*
    Postdoctoral Scientist, House Ear Institute
    Ph.D., Cell, Molecular, and Developmental Biology, University of California, Los Angeles
  60. Steven W. Brown
    Associate Professor of Psychology, Rockhurst University
    Ph.D., Animal Learning and Behavior, University of Oklahoma
  61. Steven B. Broyles
    Associate Professor of Biological Sciences, State University of New York, Cortland
    Ph.D., Botany, University of Georgia
  62. Stevens M. Brumbley
    Senior Research Scientist, BSES Limited
    Ph.D., Plant Pathology, University of Georgia, Athens
    Coauthor, "Initial evaluation of sugarcane as a production platform for p-hydroxybenzoic acid," Plant Biotechnology Journal (2005) 3: 29-41.
  63. Stephen H. Bryant
    Chair of Liberal Studies, California State Polytechnic University, Pomona
    Ph.D., Population Biology, University of California, Riverside
  64. Stephen C. Bunnell
    Assistant Professor, Department of Pathology, Tufts University Medical School
    Ph.D., Biology, Harvard University
    Coauthor, "T cell costimulation via the integrin VLA-4 inhibits the actin-dependent centralization of signaling microclusters containing the adaptor SLP-76," Immunity 2008; 28:810-21.
  65. Stephen Buratowski
    Professor of Biological Chemistry and Molecular Pharmacology, Harvard Medical School
    Ph.D., Biochemistry, Massachusetts Institute of Technology
    Member of the Board of Reviewing Editors for the journal Science
  66. Steve Burgess
    Environment Spokesperson, Green Group of Councillors, City of Edinburgh Council
    Ph.D., Microbiology, University of Kent
  67. Stephen Burnett
    Assistant Professor of Biology, Clayton College & State University
    Ph.D., Zoology, Ohio State University
  68. Steven Burston
    Lecturer, Department of Biochemistry, University of Bristol
    Ph.D., Biochemistry, University of Bristol
  69. Stephen Burton
    Assistant Professor of Biology, Grand Valley State University
    D.A., Biology, Idaho State University
  70. Stephen D. Busack
    Director of Research and Collections, North Carolina State Museum of Natural Sciences
    Ph.D., Zoology, University of California, Berkeley
  71. Steve Busby
    Professor of Biochemistry, University of Birmingham
    Ph.D., Biochemistry, Oxford University
    Fellow of the Royal Society
  72. Steven W. Buskirk
    Professor of Zoology and Physiology, University of Wyoming
    Ph.D., Wildlife Biology, University of Alaska
  73. Stephen A. Butler
    Senior Lecturer, Biomedical Sciences, Middlesex University
    Ph.D., Biochemistry, University of London
  74. Steven N. Byers
    Adjunct Assistant Professor of Anthropology, University of New Mexico
    Ph.D., Anthropology, University of New Mexico
    Author, Introduction to Forensic Anthropology: A Textbook
  75. Steven Cades
    Professor and Chair, Department of Sociology and Anthropology, Washington College
    Ph.D., Sociology, Rutgers University
  76. Stephen D. Cairns
    Research Zoologist and Curator of Cnidaria, Smithsonian Institution
    Ph.D., Oceanography, University of Miami
    Author of 80 papers on the taxonomy of deep-sea corals
  77. Stephen Cameron
    Postdoctoral Fellow, Brigham Young University
    Ph.D., Parasitology, University of Queensland
  78. Stephen Carlin *
    Haematology Researcher, St. Vincent's Hospital, Sydney, Australia
    Ph.D., Biochemistry, University of Western Australia
  79. Stephen W. Carmichael *
    Professor and Chair Emeritus, Department of Anatomy, Mayo Clinic
    Ph.D., Anatomy, Tulane University
    Honorary Doctorate of Sciences, Kenyon College; Editor-in-Chief, Clinical Anatomy
  80. Stephen R. Carpenter
    Professor of Zoology, University of Wisconsin, Madison
    Ph.D., Botany, University of Wisconsin, Madison
    Member of the National Academy of Sciences, past president of the Ecological Society of America
  81. Steven M. Carr
    Professor of Biology and Director, "Helix & Primer" Evolutionary & Population Genomics Laboratory, Memorial University of Newfoundland
    Ph.D., Genetics, University of California, Berkeley
  82. Steven B. Carroll
    Director of Public Programs, State Arboretum of Virginia & Blandy Experimental Farm
    Ph.D., Botany, University of Massachusetts, Amherst
  83. Stephen Cavers
    Senior Scientist, Centre for Ecology and Hydrology
    Ph.D., Biology, University of Edinburgh
  84. Steve Cayzer *
    Ph.D., Insect Neurobiology, Cambridge University
  85. Steven M. Chambers *
    Senior Scientist, Division of Ecological Services, U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service
    Ph.D., Zoology, University of Florida
  86. Stephen F. Chenoweth
    ARC Australian Research Fellow / Senior Lecturer, School of Integrative Biology, University of Queensland
    Ph.D., Physics, Genetics, Griffith University
  87. Stephen A. Chervitz *
    Bioinformatics Engineer, Affymetrix, Inc.
    Ph.D., Molecular, Cellular, and Developmental Biology, University of Colorado, Boulder
    Lead author on the initial publication comparing the complete set of yeast and nematode protein sequences (Science 1998; 282: 2022-28).
  88. Stephen Chiswell
    Staff Scientist, National Institute for Water and Atmospheric Research (New Zealand)
    Ph.D., Oceanography, Marine Sciences Research Center, SUNY, Stony Brook
  89. Stephanie Chow *
    Postdoctoral fellow in computational neuroscience, Cold Spring Harbor Laboratory
    Ph.D., Computation and Neural Systems, California Institute of Technology
    Lead author, "Adaptive Radiation from Resource Competition in Digital Organisms," Science (2004) 305: 84-86
  90. Steven L. Chown*
    Professor of Zoology, University of Stellenbosch
    Ph.D., Ecology and Systematics, University of Pretoria
  91. Stephen Chrisomalis
    Assistant Professor of Anthropology, Wayne State University
    Ph.D., Anthropology, McGill University
  92. Steven E. Churchill
    Associate Professor of Biological Anthropology and Anatomy, Duke University
    Ph.D., Biological Anthropology, University of New Mexico
  93. Steven Gerard Clarke
    Professor of Chemistry and Biochemistry, Director of UCLA Molecular Biology Institute, University of California, Los Angeles
    Ph.D., Biochemistry and Molecular Biology, Harvard University
  94. Steven Earl Clemants* †
    Vice President for Science, Brooklyn Botanical Garden
    Ph.D., Botany, City University of New York
    Codirector, Center for Urban Restoration Ecology
  95. Stefan Clemens *
    Assistant Professor, Department of Physiology, Brody School of Medicine, East Carolina University
    Ph.D., Neurosciences and Pharmacology, Université Bordeaux 1
  96. Steven J. Clough
    Research Scientist, USDA Agricultural Research Service; Assistant Professor of Crop Sciences, University of Illinois, Urbana-Champaign
    Ph.D., Plant Pathology, University of Georgia
    Author, "Floral dip: a simplified method for Agrobacterium-mediated transformation of Arabidopsis thaliana," The Plant Journal (1998) 16: 735-743.
  97. Steven J. Cok
    Visiting Lecturer, Department of Biology, Framingham State College
    Ph.D., Biochemistry and Molecular Biology, University of Chicago
  98. Steve L. Coles
    Research Zoologist, Department of Natural Science, Bishop Museum
    Ph.D., Zoology, University of Hawai'i
  99. Steven J. Collins
    Member, Human Biology Division, Fred Hutchinson Cancer Research Center
    M.D., Columbia University College of Physicians and Surgeons
  100. Stephen G. Compton
    Senior Lecturer, School of Biology, University of Leeds
    Ph.D., Genetics, University of Hull
    Fellow of the Royal Entomological Society; coauthor, "Re-emergence and fig permeability in fig tree-wasp mutualisms," Journal of Evolutionary Biology 16: 1186-1195; 2003.
  101. Stephen J. Connor
    Instructor, Pathophysiology, Langara College
    Ph.D., Parasitology, University of British Columbia
  102. Steven Cooper
    Senior Scientist and Head of Biology, Evolutionary Biology Unit, South Australian Museum
    Associate Professor, Australian Centre for Evolutionary Biology and Biodiversity, The University of Adelaide
    Ph.D., Genetics, The University of Adelaide
    Coauthor, "Subterranean archipelago in the Australian arid zone: Mitochondrial DNA phylogeography of amphipods from central Western Australia," Molecular Ecology 2007; 16: 1533-1544
  103. Stephen Corn
    Research Zoologist, Northern Rocky Mountain Science Center
    Ph.D., Zoology, Colorado State University
  104. Steeve Côté
    Associate Professor of Ecology, Université Laval
    Ph.D., Behavioural Ecology, Université de Sherbrooke
    Coauthor, Mountain Goats: Ecology, Behavior, and Conservation of an Alpine Ungulate (Island Press, 2008)
  105. Steve J. Coulson *
    Department of Arctic Biology, UNIS, Longyearbyen, Svalbard, Norway
    Ph.D., Biology (Ecophysiology), University of Leeds
  106. Steve P. Crampton
    Postdoctoral Fellow, National Institute of Allergic and Infectious Diseases, National Institute of Health
    Ph.D., Molecular Biology and Biochemistry, University of California, Irvine
  107. Stephen T. Crews
    Professor of Biochemistry, University of North Carolina, Chapel Hill
    Ph.D., Biochemistry, California Institute of Technology
    National Institutes of Health Merit awardee, Lucille P. Markey Scholar
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Mac, where did you get all the Steves?
I have a brother Steven and I am starting to wonder as he did study science while we were in college. I think he still does, and he is a Steve. He use to claim he was an alien or was that he fell from Mars?

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Cathar1950 wrote:Mac, where did you get all the Steves?
I have a brother Steven and I am starting to wonder as he did study science while we were in college. I think he still does, and he is a Steve. He use to claim he was an alien or was that he fell from Mars?
That is from project Steve, which is a tongue in cheek counter to the discovery institute list of 100 scientists that don't believe in evolution.

Rather than a bunch of physists, engineers and weather men than don't, project steve is a list of biologists whose name is steve that accept evolutionary theory

From http://ncseweb.org/taking-action/project-steve
NCSE's "Project Steve" is a tongue-in-cheek parody of a long-standing creationist tradition of amassing lists of "scientists who doubt evolution" or "scientists who dissent from Darwinism."

Creationists draw up these lists to try to convince the public that evolution is somehow being rejected by scientists, that it is a "theory in crisis." Not everyone realizes that this claim is unfounded. NCSE has been asked numerous times to compile a list of thousands of scientists affirming the validity of the theory of evolution. Although we easily could have done so, we have resisted. We did not wish to mislead the public into thinking that scientific issues are decided by who has the longer list of scientists!

Project Steve pokes fun at this practice and, because "Steves" are only about 1% of scientists, it also makes the point that tens of thousands of scientists support evolution. And it honors the late Stephen Jay Gould, evolutionary biologist, NCSE supporter, and friend.

We'd like to think that after Project Steve, we'll have seen the last of bogus "scientists doubting evolution" lists, but it's probably too much to ask. We hope that when such lists are proposed, reporters and other citizens will ask, "How many Steves are on your list!?"

The statement:

Evolution is a vital, well-supported, unifying principle of the biological sciences, and the scientific evidence is overwhelmingly in favor of the idea that all living things share a common ancestry. Although there are legitimate debates about the patterns and processes of evolution, there is no serious scientific doubt that evolution occurred or that natural selection is a major mechanism in its occurrence. It is scientifically inappropriate and pedagogically irresponsible for creationist pseudoscience, including but not limited to "intelligent design," to be introduced into the science curricula of our nation's public school
“What do you think science is? There is nothing magical about science. It is simply a systematic way for carefully and thoroughly observing nature and using consistent logic to evaluate results. So which part of that exactly do you disagree with? Do you disagree with being thorough? Using careful observation? Being systematic? Or using consistent logic?�

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goat wrote:
Fisherking wrote:
goat wrote: The 99%+ of the biologists that do not let their religious beliefs get in the way of their understanding of profession.
What proof can you offer that their religious/non-religious posistions don't affect their understanding of their profession?
Because they use peer reviewed journals to demonstrate that their proposals are reasonable and accurate. They make testable and repeatable predictions on things as part of their peer review.
How do peers with the same religious/non-religious beliefs writing in a journal prove that their religious belief doesn't affect their profession? For example, isn't there a difference in worldview/ beliefs between those writing and reviewing CRS Quarterly and ARJ, versus Nature and Science?

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Fisherking wrote:
goat wrote:
Fisherking wrote:
goat wrote: The 99%+ of the biologists that do not let their religious beliefs get in the way of their understanding of profession.
What proof can you offer that their religious/non-religious posistions don't affect their understanding of their profession?
Because they use peer reviewed journals to demonstrate that their proposals are reasonable and accurate. They make testable and repeatable predictions on things as part of their peer review.
How do peers with the same religious/non-religious beliefs writing in a journal prove that their religious belief doesn't affect their profession? For example, isn't there a difference in worldview/ beliefs between those writing and reviewing CRS Quarterly and ARJ, versus Nature and Science?
Are you actuallly serious??? Do you really mean to put 'answers in geneiss' and 'creation research' in there.

You must be joking, or purposely yanking chains.
“What do you think science is? There is nothing magical about science. It is simply a systematic way for carefully and thoroughly observing nature and using consistent logic to evaluate results. So which part of that exactly do you disagree with? Do you disagree with being thorough? Using careful observation? Being systematic? Or using consistent logic?�

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Fisherking wrote:
goat wrote:
Fisherking wrote:
goat wrote: The 99%+ of the biologists that do not let their religious beliefs get in the way of their understanding of profession.
What proof can you offer that their religious/non-religious posistions don't affect their understanding of their profession?
Because they use peer reviewed journals to demonstrate that their proposals are reasonable and accurate. They make testable and repeatable predictions on things as part of their peer review.
How do peers with the same religious/non-religious beliefs writing in a journal prove that their religious belief doesn't affect their profession? For example, isn't there a difference in worldview/ beliefs between those writing and reviewing CRS Quarterly and ARJ, versus Nature and Science?
Nature and Science has articles from people from every walk of life and every belief. What is important is finding out what is correct about reality. Over 99% of biologists will post their papers to these publications. There will be Muslims, Christians, Agnostics, Atheists, Hindus and the like that submit to these - they don't let their particular faith get involved by this very process.

With ARJ and CRS they are trying to direct results to a foregone conclusion - biblical creationism. So, fundamentalist Christians shall submit to these and they will be examined by other fundamentalist Christians.

You seriously can't see the difference? I bet you can find a "mission statement" for ARJ and CRS that will be pointing them in a particular direction.
Why Evolution is True
Universe from nothing

Claims made without evidence can be dismissed without evidence
- Christopher Hitchens

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