I've been seeing on several other boards lately some pretty strange things that are being taught and believed by those who hold to a literal interpretation of the Bible, and I was curious as to how many Christans here believe in these things, and if they do, then why.
Are there any Christians here who believe in a literal interpretation of the Bible and believe any of the following:
1. geocentrism
2. flat earth
3. dinosaurs and man co-existed
If you do believe in these things, then why? I realize that if you do believe in them, then your main reason would be because it's in the Bible, but I want scientific reasoning why you would believe these things. I'm also curious as to how Christians who don't believe in these things, yet still hold to a literal interpretation of the Bible, explain their being found in the Bible.
A Question for Biblical Literalists
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A Question for Biblical Literalists
Post #1Al-Baqarah 256 (Yusuf Ali translation) "Truth stands out clear from error"
Re: A Question for Biblical Literalists
Post #11Which biologists?McCulloch wrote:kayky wrote:If humans and dinosaurs co-existed, why are their remains never found together?Clearly they did not cohabitate. But if they lived in the same environment, close enough that the humans made graphic representations of them and had myths about them, then one would expect that their remains would be found in the same geological layers. What evidence do you have that the biologists are wrong?GentleDove wrote:I believe dinosaurs and humans co-existed; however, I don't believe that it was common for them to co-habitate, ala "The Flintstones."
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Post #12The 99%+ of the biologists that do not let their religious beliefs get in the way of their understanding of profession.Fisherking wrote:Which biologists?McCulloch wrote:kayky wrote:If humans and dinosaurs co-existed, why are their remains never found together?Clearly they did not cohabitate. But if they lived in the same environment, close enough that the humans made graphic representations of them and had myths about them, then one would expect that their remains would be found in the same geological layers. What evidence do you have that the biologists are wrong?GentleDove wrote:I believe dinosaurs and humans co-existed; however, I don't believe that it was common for them to co-habitate, ala "The Flintstones."
“What do you think science is? There is nothing magical about science. It is simply a systematic way for carefully and thoroughly observing nature and using consistent logic to evaluate results. So which part of that exactly do you disagree with? Do you disagree with being thorough? Using careful observation? Being systematic? Or using consistent logic?�
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Post #13What proof can you offer that their religious/non-religious posistions don't affect their understanding of their profession?goat wrote:The 99%+ of the biologists that do not let their religious beliefs get in the way of their understanding of profession.Fisherking wrote:Which biologists?McCulloch wrote:kayky wrote:If humans and dinosaurs co-existed, why are their remains never found together?Clearly they did not cohabitate. But if they lived in the same environment, close enough that the humans made graphic representations of them and had myths about them, then one would expect that their remains would be found in the same geological layers. What evidence do you have that the biologists are wrong?GentleDove wrote:I believe dinosaurs and humans co-existed; however, I don't believe that it was common for them to co-habitate, ala "The Flintstones."
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Post #14Because they use peer reviewed journals to demonstrate that their proposals are reasonable and accurate. They make testable and repeatable predictions on things as part of their peer review.Fisherking wrote:What proof can you offer that their religious/non-religious posistions don't affect their understanding of their profession?goat wrote:The 99%+ of the biologists that do not let their religious beliefs get in the way of their understanding of profession.Fisherking wrote:Which biologists?McCulloch wrote:kayky wrote:If humans and dinosaurs co-existed, why are their remains never found together?Clearly they did not cohabitate. But if they lived in the same environment, close enough that the humans made graphic representations of them and had myths about them, then one would expect that their remains would be found in the same geological layers. What evidence do you have that the biologists are wrong?GentleDove wrote:I believe dinosaurs and humans co-existed; however, I don't believe that it was common for them to co-habitate, ala "The Flintstones."
Unlike ... well, religious fundamentalists that misrepresent facts.
“What do you think science is? There is nothing magical about science. It is simply a systematic way for carefully and thoroughly observing nature and using consistent logic to evaluate results. So which part of that exactly do you disagree with? Do you disagree with being thorough? Using careful observation? Being systematic? Or using consistent logic?�
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Re: A Question for Biblical Literalists
Post #15McCulloch wrote: What evidence do you have that the biologists are wrong?
Fisherking wrote:Which biologists?
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Ph.D., Microbiology, University of Arizona
Creator of The Bacteriophage Ecology Group, Home of Phage Ecology and Evolutionary Biology (www.phage.org) - Steven G. Ackleson
Oceanographer, Office of Naval Research
Ph.D., Marine Studies, University of Delaware - Stephen A. Adam
Associate Professor, Department of Cell and Molecular Biology, Feinberg School of Medicine, Northwestern University
Ph.D., Biochemistry, Molecular, and Cell Biology, Northwestern University - Steven Reid Adams
Assistant Professor, Department of Biology, University of Central Arkansas
Ph.D., Zoology, Southern Illinois University - Steve Adolph
Professor of Biology, Harvey Mudd College
Ph.D., Zoology, University of Washington - Steven K. Akiyama
Scientist, Laboratory of Molecular Carcinogenesis, National Institute of Environmental Health Sciences, National Institutes of Health
Ph.D., Chemistry, Cornell University - Stephen B. Aley
Associate Professor of Biological Sciences, University of Texas, El Paso
Ph.D., Biology, Rockefeller University - Stephen C. Alley
Senior Scientist, Seattle Genetics, Inc.
Ph.D., Chemistry, University of Washington - Steven D. Allison
Assistant Professor, Departments of Ecology & Evolutionary Biology and Earth System Science, University of California, Irvine
Ph.D., Biological Sciences, Stanford University - Steven I. Altchuler
Assistant Professor of Psychiatry, Mayo Clinic College of Medicine; Consultant in Psychiatry, Mayo Clinic
Ph.D., Nutritional Biochemistry and Metabolism, Massachusetts Institute of Technology; M.D., Baylor College of Medicine - Steven C. Anderson
Emeritus Professor of Biology, University of the Pacific
Ph.D., Biology, Stanford University - Steven Anschel
Director, Local Public Health Sales, Netsmart Technologies, Inc.
Ph.D., Zoology, University of Maryland - Stephen W. Arch
L. N. Ruben Professor of Biology, Reed College
Ph.D., Biology, University of Chicago - Steve Archer
Professor of Rangeland and Forest Resources, University of Arizona
Ph.D., Rangeland Ecosystem Science, Colorado State University, Ft. Collins - Stevan J. Arnold
Professor of Zoology, Oregon State University
Ph.D., Zoology, University of Michigan
Past President, Society for the Study of Evolution - Stephen M. Arthur
Research Biologist, Alaska Department of Fish and Game
Ph.D., Wildlife Biology, University of Maine - Steven N. Austad
Professor of Biological Sciences, University of Idaho
Ph.D., Zoology, Purdue University
Author, Why We Age - Stephen J. Aves
Associate Professor of Molecular Biology, University of Exeter
Ph.D., Biochemistry, University of Bristol - Stephen Charles Bain*
Reader in Diabetic Medicine and Honorary Consultant Physician, University of Birmingham & Birmingham Heartlands Hospital
M.D., University of Birmingham
Member of the Human Genetics Commission - Stephen M. Baird
Professor of Clinical Pathology, University of California, San Diego School of Medicine
M.D., Stanford University School of Medicine - Steve Ballard
Professor of Physiology, College of Medicine, University of South Alabama
Ph.D., Toxicology,University of North Carolina, Chapel Hill - Steven W. Barger*
Associate Professor of Geriatrics, Anatomy & Neurobiology, and Internal Medicine University of Arkansas for Medical Sciences
Research Health Scientist, Geriatric Research Education and Clinical Center, Central Arkansas Veterans Healthcare System
Ph.D., Cell Biology, Vanderbilt University - Stephen John Barnett*
Research Scientist, South Australian Research and Development Institute
Ph.D., Microbial Ecology, University of Adelaide - Stephen Barrett
Board Chairman, Quackwatch
M.D., Columbia University
Recipient of the 2001 Distinguished Service to Health Education Award from the American Association for Health Education - Steven J. Baskauf*
Senior Lecturer, Biological Sciences, Vanderbilt University
Ph.D., Biology, Vanderbilt University - Steven Bates
Lecturer in Molecular Microbiology, University of Exeter
Ph.D., Molecular Biology, University of Leicester - Steven K. Beckendorf
Professor of Genetics and Development, University of California, Berkeley
Ph.D., California Institute of Technology - Stephen M. Becker
Postdoctoral Fellow, Virginia Commonwealth University; Visiting Assistant Professor, Mary Washington University
Ph.D., Immunology, Virginia Commonwealth University - Stephen Beckerman
Associate Professor of Anthropology, Pennsylvania State University
Ph.D., Anthropology, University of New Mexico - Stephanie Bedhomme
Post-doctoral Associate Researcher, Animal Evolutionary Ecology Group, Institute for Evolution and Biodiversity, University of Muenster
Ph.D., Evolutionary Biology, University of Montpellier
Lead author, "Prevalence-dependent costs of parasite virulence," PLoS Biology 2005; 3: e262. - Steven R. Beissinger
Chair and Professor of Environmental Science, Policy, and Management, University of California, Berkeley
Ph.D., Natural Resource Ecology, University of Michigan - Stephen P. Bell
Professor, Department of Biology, Massachusetts Institute of Technology; Investigator, Howard Hughes Medical Institute
Ph.D., Biochemistry, University of California, Berkeley
Coauthor, Molecular Biology of the Gene, 5th ed. - Steve Bell *
Key Skills Manager, Coleg Sir Gar / Carmarthenshire College
Ph.D., Molecular Biology, University of Wales, Swansea - Stephanie J. Belovich
Chair, Basic Sciences Department, Ohio College of Podiatric Medicine
Ph.D., Biomedical Sciences -- Biological Anthropology, Kent State University - Stephen P. Bentivenga*
Associate Professor of Biology, University of Wisconsin, Oshkosh
Ph.D., Plant Pathology, Kansas State University
Author, "Ecology and evolution of arbuscular mycorrhizal fungi," McIlvainea (1997) 13: 30-39 - Steve P. Bernier
Postdoctoral Fellow, Institut Pasteur
Ph.D., Microbiology, University of Calgary - Stephen M. Beverley *
Marvin A. Brennecke Professor and Head of Molecular Microbiology, and Director, Center for Infectious Disease Research, Washington University School of Medicine
Ph.D., Biochemistry, University of California, Berkeley - Steven Bierer
Research Associate, Washington National Primate Research Center, University of Washington
Ph.D., Biomedical Engineering, University of Michigan - Steffen Birk *
Resident, Department of Neurology, Bispebjerg Hospital, University of Copenhagen
Ph.D., Medicine (Neuroscience), University of Copenhagen - Steve Black
Professor of Biology, Reed College
Ph.D., Genetics, University of California, Berkeley - Stephen Blackmore
Professor and Regius Keeper, Royal Botanical Garden, Edinburgh
Ph.D., Plant Taxonomy and Palynology, University of Reading - Steven M. Block
Professor of Biological Sciences and Professor of Applied Physics, Stanford University
Ph.D., Biology, California Institute of Technology
Member, American Academy of Arts and Sciences - Stephen A. Bloye *
St. Martin's College
Ph.D., Microbiology, University of Warwick - Steve Blumenshine *
Associate Professor of Biology, Fresno State University
Ph.D., Biological Sciences, University of Notre Dame - Steven Bodovitz
Principal, BioPerspectives
Ph.D., Neuroscience, Northwestern University - Stephen A. Boffey*
Associate Dean, Faculty of Natural Sciences, University of Hertfordshire
Ph.D., Biochemistry, Cambridge University - Stephane Boissinot
Associate Professor, Department of Biology, Queens College, City University of New York
Ph.D., Molecular Biology?, Université Montpellier II - Steve Bonasera
Assistant Professor of Medicine, University of California, San Francisco
Ph.D., Neuroscience, and M.D., Emory University - Stephen Bondy
Professor, Department of Community and Environmental Medicine, University of California, Irvine
Ph.D., Biochemistry, Birmingham University - Stephen Patrick Bonser
Lecturer, Department of Biological, Earth, and Environmental Sciences, University of New South Wales
Ph.D., Biology, Queens University - Steven S. Branda *
American Cancer Society & Charles A. King Trust Postdoctoral Fellow, Department of Microbiology & Molecular Genetics, Harvard Medical School
Ph.D., Genetics, Yale University School of Medicine - Stephen E. Branz *
Professor of Chemistry, San Jose State University
Ph.D., Organic Chemistry, Massachusetts Institute of Technology - Steven E. Brenner
Professor of Biology?, University of California, Berkeley
Ph.D., Biological Sciences, Cambridge University - Steven D. Brewer
Professor of Biology, University of Massachusetts, Amherst
Ph.D., Science Education, Western Michigan University - Steven Briggs
Professor of Cell and Developmental Biology, University of California, San Diego
Ph.D., Plant Pathology, Michigan State University
Member, National Academy of Sciences - Steven Brill
Associate Professor of Molecular Biology and Biochemistry, Rutgers University
Ph.D., Biochemistry, State University of New York, Stony Brook - Stephen Brimijoin
Professor of Molecular Pharmacology, Mayo Clinic
Ph.D., Pharmacology, Harvard University - Stephen Brown
Postdoctoral Fellow, Cambridge University
Ph.D., Plant Molecular Biology, University of Nottingham - Stephen Brown*
Postdoctoral Scientist, House Ear Institute
Ph.D., Cell, Molecular, and Developmental Biology, University of California, Los Angeles - Steven W. Brown
Associate Professor of Psychology, Rockhurst University
Ph.D., Animal Learning and Behavior, University of Oklahoma - Steven B. Broyles
Associate Professor of Biological Sciences, State University of New York, Cortland
Ph.D., Botany, University of Georgia - Stevens M. Brumbley
Senior Research Scientist, BSES Limited
Ph.D., Plant Pathology, University of Georgia, Athens
Coauthor, "Initial evaluation of sugarcane as a production platform for p-hydroxybenzoic acid," Plant Biotechnology Journal (2005) 3: 29-41. - Stephen H. Bryant
Chair of Liberal Studies, California State Polytechnic University, Pomona
Ph.D., Population Biology, University of California, Riverside - Stephen C. Bunnell
Assistant Professor, Department of Pathology, Tufts University Medical School
Ph.D., Biology, Harvard University
Coauthor, "T cell costimulation via the integrin VLA-4 inhibits the actin-dependent centralization of signaling microclusters containing the adaptor SLP-76," Immunity 2008; 28:810-21. - Stephen Buratowski
Professor of Biological Chemistry and Molecular Pharmacology, Harvard Medical School
Ph.D., Biochemistry, Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Member of the Board of Reviewing Editors for the journal Science - Steve Burgess
Environment Spokesperson, Green Group of Councillors, City of Edinburgh Council
Ph.D., Microbiology, University of Kent - Stephen Burnett
Assistant Professor of Biology, Clayton College & State University
Ph.D., Zoology, Ohio State University - Steven Burston
Lecturer, Department of Biochemistry, University of Bristol
Ph.D., Biochemistry, University of Bristol - Stephen Burton
Assistant Professor of Biology, Grand Valley State University
D.A., Biology, Idaho State University - Stephen D. Busack
Director of Research and Collections, North Carolina State Museum of Natural Sciences
Ph.D., Zoology, University of California, Berkeley - Steve Busby
Professor of Biochemistry, University of Birmingham
Ph.D., Biochemistry, Oxford University
Fellow of the Royal Society - Steven W. Buskirk
Professor of Zoology and Physiology, University of Wyoming
Ph.D., Wildlife Biology, University of Alaska - Stephen A. Butler
Senior Lecturer, Biomedical Sciences, Middlesex University
Ph.D., Biochemistry, University of London - Steven N. Byers
Adjunct Assistant Professor of Anthropology, University of New Mexico
Ph.D., Anthropology, University of New Mexico
Author, Introduction to Forensic Anthropology: A Textbook - Steven Cades
Professor and Chair, Department of Sociology and Anthropology, Washington College
Ph.D., Sociology, Rutgers University - Stephen D. Cairns
Research Zoologist and Curator of Cnidaria, Smithsonian Institution
Ph.D., Oceanography, University of Miami
Author of 80 papers on the taxonomy of deep-sea corals - Stephen Cameron
Postdoctoral Fellow, Brigham Young University
Ph.D., Parasitology, University of Queensland - Stephen Carlin *
Haematology Researcher, St. Vincent's Hospital, Sydney, Australia
Ph.D., Biochemistry, University of Western Australia - Stephen W. Carmichael *
Professor and Chair Emeritus, Department of Anatomy, Mayo Clinic
Ph.D., Anatomy, Tulane University
Honorary Doctorate of Sciences, Kenyon College; Editor-in-Chief, Clinical Anatomy - Stephen R. Carpenter
Professor of Zoology, University of Wisconsin, Madison
Ph.D., Botany, University of Wisconsin, Madison
Member of the National Academy of Sciences, past president of the Ecological Society of America - Steven M. Carr
Professor of Biology and Director, "Helix & Primer" Evolutionary & Population Genomics Laboratory, Memorial University of Newfoundland
Ph.D., Genetics, University of California, Berkeley - Steven B. Carroll
Director of Public Programs, State Arboretum of Virginia & Blandy Experimental Farm
Ph.D., Botany, University of Massachusetts, Amherst - Stephen Cavers
Senior Scientist, Centre for Ecology and Hydrology
Ph.D., Biology, University of Edinburgh - Steve Cayzer *
Ph.D., Insect Neurobiology, Cambridge University - Steven M. Chambers *
Senior Scientist, Division of Ecological Services, U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service
Ph.D., Zoology, University of Florida - Stephen F. Chenoweth
ARC Australian Research Fellow / Senior Lecturer, School of Integrative Biology, University of Queensland
Ph.D., Physics, Genetics, Griffith University - Stephen A. Chervitz *
Bioinformatics Engineer, Affymetrix, Inc.
Ph.D., Molecular, Cellular, and Developmental Biology, University of Colorado, Boulder
Lead author on the initial publication comparing the complete set of yeast and nematode protein sequences (Science 1998; 282: 2022-28). - Stephen Chiswell
Staff Scientist, National Institute for Water and Atmospheric Research (New Zealand)
Ph.D., Oceanography, Marine Sciences Research Center, SUNY, Stony Brook - Stephanie Chow *
Postdoctoral fellow in computational neuroscience, Cold Spring Harbor Laboratory
Ph.D., Computation and Neural Systems, California Institute of Technology
Lead author, "Adaptive Radiation from Resource Competition in Digital Organisms," Science (2004) 305: 84-86 - Steven L. Chown*
Professor of Zoology, University of Stellenbosch
Ph.D., Ecology and Systematics, University of Pretoria - Stephen Chrisomalis
Assistant Professor of Anthropology, Wayne State University
Ph.D., Anthropology, McGill University - Steven E. Churchill
Associate Professor of Biological Anthropology and Anatomy, Duke University
Ph.D., Biological Anthropology, University of New Mexico - Steven Gerard Clarke
Professor of Chemistry and Biochemistry, Director of UCLA Molecular Biology Institute, University of California, Los Angeles
Ph.D., Biochemistry and Molecular Biology, Harvard University - Steven Earl Clemants* â€
Vice President for Science, Brooklyn Botanical Garden
Ph.D., Botany, City University of New York
Codirector, Center for Urban Restoration Ecology - Stefan Clemens *
Assistant Professor, Department of Physiology, Brody School of Medicine, East Carolina University
Ph.D., Neurosciences and Pharmacology, Université Bordeaux 1 - Steven J. Clough
Research Scientist, USDA Agricultural Research Service; Assistant Professor of Crop Sciences, University of Illinois, Urbana-Champaign
Ph.D., Plant Pathology, University of Georgia
Author, "Floral dip: a simplified method for Agrobacterium-mediated transformation of Arabidopsis thaliana," The Plant Journal (1998) 16: 735-743. - Steven J. Cok
Visiting Lecturer, Department of Biology, Framingham State College
Ph.D., Biochemistry and Molecular Biology, University of Chicago - Steve L. Coles
Research Zoologist, Department of Natural Science, Bishop Museum
Ph.D., Zoology, University of Hawai'i - Steven J. Collins
Member, Human Biology Division, Fred Hutchinson Cancer Research Center
M.D., Columbia University College of Physicians and Surgeons - Stephen G. Compton
Senior Lecturer, School of Biology, University of Leeds
Ph.D., Genetics, University of Hull
Fellow of the Royal Entomological Society; coauthor, "Re-emergence and fig permeability in fig tree-wasp mutualisms," Journal of Evolutionary Biology 16: 1186-1195; 2003. - Stephen J. Connor
Instructor, Pathophysiology, Langara College
Ph.D., Parasitology, University of British Columbia - Steven Cooper
Senior Scientist and Head of Biology, Evolutionary Biology Unit, South Australian Museum
Associate Professor, Australian Centre for Evolutionary Biology and Biodiversity, The University of Adelaide
Ph.D., Genetics, The University of Adelaide
Coauthor, "Subterranean archipelago in the Australian arid zone: Mitochondrial DNA phylogeography of amphipods from central Western Australia," Molecular Ecology 2007; 16: 1533-1544 - Stephen Corn
Research Zoologist, Northern Rocky Mountain Science Center
Ph.D., Zoology, Colorado State University - Steeve Côté
Associate Professor of Ecology, Université Laval
Ph.D., Behavioural Ecology, Université de Sherbrooke
Coauthor, Mountain Goats: Ecology, Behavior, and Conservation of an Alpine Ungulate (Island Press, 2008) - Steve J. Coulson *
Department of Arctic Biology, UNIS, Longyearbyen, Svalbard, Norway
Ph.D., Biology (Ecophysiology), University of Leeds - Steve P. Crampton
Postdoctoral Fellow, National Institute of Allergic and Infectious Diseases, National Institute of Health
Ph.D., Molecular Biology and Biochemistry, University of California, Irvine - Stephen T. Crews
Professor of Biochemistry, University of North Carolina, Chapel Hill
Ph.D., Biochemistry, California Institute of Technology
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Mac, where did you get all the Steves?
I have a brother Steven and I am starting to wonder as he did study science while we were in college. I think he still does, and he is a Steve. He use to claim he was an alien or was that he fell from Mars?
I have a brother Steven and I am starting to wonder as he did study science while we were in college. I think he still does, and he is a Steve. He use to claim he was an alien or was that he fell from Mars?
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That is from project Steve, which is a tongue in cheek counter to the discovery institute list of 100 scientists that don't believe in evolution.Cathar1950 wrote:Mac, where did you get all the Steves?
I have a brother Steven and I am starting to wonder as he did study science while we were in college. I think he still does, and he is a Steve. He use to claim he was an alien or was that he fell from Mars?
Rather than a bunch of physists, engineers and weather men than don't, project steve is a list of biologists whose name is steve that accept evolutionary theory
From http://ncseweb.org/taking-action/project-steve
NCSE's "Project Steve" is a tongue-in-cheek parody of a long-standing creationist tradition of amassing lists of "scientists who doubt evolution" or "scientists who dissent from Darwinism."
Creationists draw up these lists to try to convince the public that evolution is somehow being rejected by scientists, that it is a "theory in crisis." Not everyone realizes that this claim is unfounded. NCSE has been asked numerous times to compile a list of thousands of scientists affirming the validity of the theory of evolution. Although we easily could have done so, we have resisted. We did not wish to mislead the public into thinking that scientific issues are decided by who has the longer list of scientists!
Project Steve pokes fun at this practice and, because "Steves" are only about 1% of scientists, it also makes the point that tens of thousands of scientists support evolution. And it honors the late Stephen Jay Gould, evolutionary biologist, NCSE supporter, and friend.
We'd like to think that after Project Steve, we'll have seen the last of bogus "scientists doubting evolution" lists, but it's probably too much to ask. We hope that when such lists are proposed, reporters and other citizens will ask, "How many Steves are on your list!?"
The statement:
Evolution is a vital, well-supported, unifying principle of the biological sciences, and the scientific evidence is overwhelmingly in favor of the idea that all living things share a common ancestry. Although there are legitimate debates about the patterns and processes of evolution, there is no serious scientific doubt that evolution occurred or that natural selection is a major mechanism in its occurrence. It is scientifically inappropriate and pedagogically irresponsible for creationist pseudoscience, including but not limited to "intelligent design," to be introduced into the science curricula of our nation's public school
“What do you think science is? There is nothing magical about science. It is simply a systematic way for carefully and thoroughly observing nature and using consistent logic to evaluate results. So which part of that exactly do you disagree with? Do you disagree with being thorough? Using careful observation? Being systematic? Or using consistent logic?�
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Post #18How do peers with the same religious/non-religious beliefs writing in a journal prove that their religious belief doesn't affect their profession? For example, isn't there a difference in worldview/ beliefs between those writing and reviewing CRS Quarterly and ARJ, versus Nature and Science?goat wrote:Because they use peer reviewed journals to demonstrate that their proposals are reasonable and accurate. They make testable and repeatable predictions on things as part of their peer review.Fisherking wrote:What proof can you offer that their religious/non-religious posistions don't affect their understanding of their profession?goat wrote: The 99%+ of the biologists that do not let their religious beliefs get in the way of their understanding of profession.
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Post #19Are you actuallly serious??? Do you really mean to put 'answers in geneiss' and 'creation research' in there.Fisherking wrote:How do peers with the same religious/non-religious beliefs writing in a journal prove that their religious belief doesn't affect their profession? For example, isn't there a difference in worldview/ beliefs between those writing and reviewing CRS Quarterly and ARJ, versus Nature and Science?goat wrote:Because they use peer reviewed journals to demonstrate that their proposals are reasonable and accurate. They make testable and repeatable predictions on things as part of their peer review.Fisherking wrote:What proof can you offer that their religious/non-religious posistions don't affect their understanding of their profession?goat wrote: The 99%+ of the biologists that do not let their religious beliefs get in the way of their understanding of profession.
You must be joking, or purposely yanking chains.
“What do you think science is? There is nothing magical about science. It is simply a systematic way for carefully and thoroughly observing nature and using consistent logic to evaluate results. So which part of that exactly do you disagree with? Do you disagree with being thorough? Using careful observation? Being systematic? Or using consistent logic?�
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Post #20Nature and Science has articles from people from every walk of life and every belief. What is important is finding out what is correct about reality. Over 99% of biologists will post their papers to these publications. There will be Muslims, Christians, Agnostics, Atheists, Hindus and the like that submit to these - they don't let their particular faith get involved by this very process.Fisherking wrote:How do peers with the same religious/non-religious beliefs writing in a journal prove that their religious belief doesn't affect their profession? For example, isn't there a difference in worldview/ beliefs between those writing and reviewing CRS Quarterly and ARJ, versus Nature and Science?goat wrote:Because they use peer reviewed journals to demonstrate that their proposals are reasonable and accurate. They make testable and repeatable predictions on things as part of their peer review.Fisherking wrote:What proof can you offer that their religious/non-religious posistions don't affect their understanding of their profession?goat wrote: The 99%+ of the biologists that do not let their religious beliefs get in the way of their understanding of profession.
With ARJ and CRS they are trying to direct results to a foregone conclusion - biblical creationism. So, fundamentalist Christians shall submit to these and they will be examined by other fundamentalist Christians.
You seriously can't see the difference? I bet you can find a "mission statement" for ARJ and CRS that will be pointing them in a particular direction.
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