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In Matthew chapter 8, verse 21 - 22 what does Jesus mean?

I initially think it means we must not waste any time, explaining to those who are closed-minded. That we should focus primarily on our own soul's welfare and follow Jesus.
Those who reject Christ despite all opportunity to receive Him must inevitably do as they wish.

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Matthew 8:21-22

21 Another of Jesus’ followers said to him, “Lord, I will follow you too, but let me go and bury my father first.”
22 But Jesus said to him, “Follow me, and let those who are dead bury their own dead.”

Jesus means that he doesn't care about anyone's personal feelings about anything, but that everyone should give up everything that has meaning to them so they can unquestioningly follow him in strict reverence and obedience.

Nice guy. :whistle:


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Quite right, He is Lord.

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Rose2020 wrote: Wed May 11, 2022 3:05 pm Quite right, He is Lord.
From what I've read of Jesus's demands he could aptly be called a

tyrant noun
ty·​rant | \ ˈtī-rənt
Definition of tyrant

1a : an absolute ruler unrestrained by law or constitution
b : a usurper of sovereignty
2a : a ruler who exercises absolute power oppressively or brutally

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That's God.

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Rose2020 wrote: Wed May 11, 2022 3:28 pm That's God.
Whom you find worthy of praise, adoration, love, and worship. OUCH! Can I assume he's the only tyrant you revere?


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Rose2020 wrote: Wed May 11, 2022 12:09 pm In Matthew chapter 8, verse 21 - 22 what does Jesus mean?

I initially think it means we must not waste any time, explaining to those who are closed-minded. That we should focus primarily on our own soul's welfare and follow Jesus.
Those who reject Christ despite all opportunity to receive Him must inevitably do as they wish.
It reveals the arrogance portrayed in the Jesus character. He is presented as actually thinking that anyone who failed to follow him was spiritually dead. While they're all questionable, there are many spiritual paths for humans to choose from. Christianity is far from the only one. There's also nothing wrong with rejecting them all.


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That is your stance, your right to have your opinion. It is very different from mine, I see Jesus Christ as Lord of my life. To follow Him is the greatest of blessings.

I don't need to argue this, the way some spend so much energy doing. Arguing never changed anyone else's mind, it just engenders more opposition. It is a spiritual and heart change.
Certainly nothing in this world can compare.

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Rose2020 wrote: Thu May 12, 2022 2:38 am
I don't need to argue this, the way some spend so much energy doing.
And yet here you are arguing this and spending your energy to do so. Odd, isn't it?


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