Ancient well Gen 29:10
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Leah
- Reuben
Simeon
Judah
Levi
Bilah
Zilph
What must it felt like to be Leah? How did God comfort her?
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Yes, in those days children were viewed as a great blessing and source of joy.Cathar1950 wrote:God comforted her with children?
LEAHEasternSP wrote:Maybe to take this a step further, but I'm sure there would be a few things to think about in what would have troubled Leah.
- Her father forcing Jacob to take her as his wife when he thought he had been working to marry Rachael.
- Was she not good looking. I don't know if they had mirrors then, but she could see her reflection in a pan of water.
- I'm under the impression that she had eye sight problem of some sort.
- I suppose she was brought up with the understanding that she could be one of several wives to a single man as the social norm.
Cows have quite beautiful eyes actually.Cathar1950 wrote:Leah had eyes like a cow
Yes Leah no doubt had a good figure.Cathar1950 wrote:he[r] sister was shapely.
Yes, Jacob loved Rachel deeply.Cathar1950 wrote: Jacob loved her...
Since this is a bible forum, please produce something in scripture for your interpretation.Cathar1950 wrote: Some suggests she had this eye disease.
Possibly, they were certainly all very savvy.Cathar1950 wrote:Jacob was tricked just like he tricked his dad and brother. Maybe it runs in the family.
Do you possibly have enough bible knowledge to produce the scripture you are refering to?Cathar1950 wrote:The sister story where he claims his wife is a sister,
Who are you refering to? Do you know?Cathar1950 wrote:he claims his wife is a sister,.
Do you know who you are talking about?Cathar1950 wrote: Abraham and either Jacob or Issac and then left with wealth from the guy they scammed.
Since this is a bible study forum, which scriptures are you specifically refering to?Cathar1950 wrote: Maybe they were a family of scam artists.
Who and what are you refering to here? Since this is a bible study forum please provide scriptural references for discussion.Cathar1950 wrote: or they just told the same story for different imagined ancestors
I suppose to some they do, beauty is indeed in the eyes of the beholder.JehovahsWitness wrote:Cows have quite beautiful eyes actually.Cathar1950 wrote:Leah had eyes like a cow
It does not tell us that, it says Rachel had the attractive figure and Jacob lover her.JehovahsWitness wrote:Yes Leah no doubt had a good figure.Cathar1950 wrote:he[r] sister was shapely.
I think we pretty much got that.JehovahsWitness wrote:Yes, Jacob loved Rachel deeply.Cathar1950 wrote: Jacob loved her...
That isn’t how a Bible forum should work as we want to know as much as we can about the writer, the times and the intent of the writing or even story and meanings of the words. You are going to need to go beyond what ever you imagine the Bible to be unless we are playing Sunday school then that is fine. It would also be inappropriate to go to the NT to interpret a Jewish writing about Leah’s eyes.JehovahsWitness wrote:Since this is a bible forum, please produce something in scripture for your interpretation.Cathar1950 wrote: Some suggests she had this eye disease.
I suppose if that is what you want to call it.JehovahsWitness wrote:Possibly, they were certainly all very savvy.Cathar1950 wrote:Jacob was tricked just like he tricked his dad and brother. Maybe it runs in the family.
JehovahsWitness wrote:Do you possibly have enough bible knowledge to produce the scripture you are refering to?Cathar1950 wrote:The sister story where he claims his wife is a sister,
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Who are you refering to? Do you know? Of course, I know, why would I talk about it if I didn’t? Do you talk about stuff you don’t know?JehovahsWitness wrote:Cathar1950 wrote:he claims his wife is a sister,.
Yes I do know what I am talking about, do you know what I am talking about?JehovahsWitness wrote:Do you know who you are talking about?Cathar1950 wrote: Abraham and either Jacob or Isaac and then left with wealth from the guy they scammed.
What "scam" are you refering to? Do you know?
By all means.JehovahsWitness wrote:Since this is a bible study forum, which scriptures are you specifically refering to?Cathar1950 wrote: Maybe they were a family of scam artists.
Twice Abraham passes Sarah off as his sister [Genesis 12:10-20; 20:1-18] and once Isaac passes off Rebekah as his sister [Genesis 26:1-16].
I did above, and you didn’t need to ask twice.JehovahsWitness wrote:Who and what are you refering to here? Since this is a bible study forum please provide scriptural references for discussion.Cathar1950 wrote: or they just told the same story for different imagined ancestors
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Interesting but are you capable of producing ANY references whatsoever in regard to the above. Some factual information would be greatly appreciated.Cathar1950 wrote:Interestingly I was reading where Leah... mean cow and Rachel meant ewe
What "cow eye" traditions are you refering to? This is a bible forum - are you refering to a "cow eye tradition" mentioned in scripture? Please site the scripture you are refering to.Cathar1950 wrote:...which might at least account for the cow eyes traditions
Well, to be honest Jacob never intended to marry two women (let alone 4) so that fact that rachel was his "favorite" is only natural. Most men are attached to their wives and prefer them to other women.Cathar1950 wrote: Given the late date of this story, it is showing the perplexing idea of favoritism even seen in God.
The bible is the authority on this forum - thus according to the bible some of David's ancestors WERE Gentiles (nobody "made" them such, since the writers were recording historical fact) If you want to argue this is not fact please go elsewhere.Cathar1950 wrote: Other writers would go the opposite direction even making a couple of David’s ancestors Gentiles.
That's nice, Rachel had "tender eyes" that's a very beautiful rendition.Cathar1950 wrote:Friedman translated it as tender, I kind of like tender eyes better then cow eyes even if they are beautiful.
[/quote]Cathar1950 wrote:It does not tell us that, it says Rachel had the attractive figureJehovahsWitness wrote:Yes Leah no doubt had a good figure.Cathar1950 wrote:he[r] sister was shapely.
I don't recall anything refering to Rachel's SHAPE; but I'll stand corrected if you can provide the scripture upon which you base this conclusion. So please prove that here shape is mentioned. ("shapely" this word I don't think is in scripture but I will stand corrected if you can prove this).Cathar1950 wrote:he[r] sister was shapely.
Cathar1950 wrote:he[r] sister was shapely.
Where? Which scriture mentions her "figure"?Cathar1950 wrote: It does not tell us that, it says Rachel had the attractive figure
Have to do with what?Cathar1950 wrote:What does speculation about Leah’s figure have to do with it?
Maybe, or maybe she was quite beautiful and had a lovely figure although she was not AS attractive as her sister.Cathar1950 wrote:Maybe she had a figure like a cow ,and in comparison, Rachel looked pretty good.
The context indicates he was given alcohol not because Leah was too ugly to sleep with sober but because Jacob expected to have Rachel. Even if Leah was quite attractive Jacob would still have been unhappy because Leah was not the woman he was in love with. And not the woman he wanted to marry.Cathar1950 wrote:After all they problem got him pretty drunk to pull of the ruse, ...
Firstly YOU introduced the idea of "shape" ... here is you doing it:Cathar1950 wrote: Maybe you think cows are pretty shapely too?
I am sure there are butchers and milkers that feel the same way.
I was commenting about Leah's proposed "cow eyes" .Cathar1950 wrote:JehovahsWitness wrote:Cathar1950 wrote:he[r] sister was shapely.
If you are incapable of producing the actual scripture you are refering to, how can any additional information be presented. Please be precise in future.Cathar1950 wrote:That isn’t how a Bible forum should workSince this is a bible forum, please produce something in scripture for your interpretation.
Be my guest - you haven't actually posted any Jewish writing about Leah's eyes, but when you do I'll be happy to read what you post here.Cathar1950 wrote: inappropriate to go to the NT to interpret a Jewish writing about Leah’s eyes
"WE"? You can look up whatever is of interest to you and share it. I'll be happy to comment if I find what you post worthy of my time. I can't nanny you as to where you should go - you'll have to show some initiative.Cathar1950 wrote:Where do you think we should look in the Bible on information about Leah’s eyes?
I suppose if that is what you want to call it. [/quote]Cathar1950 wrote:Possibly, they were certainly all very savvy.Cathar1950 wrote:Jacob was tricked just like he tricked his dad and brother. Maybe it runs in the family.
I agree - I think its an excellent story.Cathar1950 wrote:On the other hand, it could just a good story line worth repeating.
Yes, Sarah was Abraham's half sister. (see Ge 20:2, 12)Cathar1950 wrote:The sister story where he claims his wife is a sister ...
I was referring to Abraham and Isaac.
See aboveCathar1950 wrote:
Twice Abraham passes Sarah off as his sister [Genesis 12:10-20; 20:1-18] and once Isaac passes off Rebekah as his sister [Genesis 26:1-16].
I guess all you are left with is just some quote uninterpreted to answer any of the above two questions.Leah
Reuben
Simeon
Judah
Levi
Bilah
Zilph
What must it felt like to be Leah? How did God comfort her?