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After crucifiction jesus did he resurrected as a Spirit ?

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Malachi-Zede-El wrote:Why do some christian say Yashu'a is his own father , When their scriptures says he not ?
because their teachings are not based solely on the bible.

What are they based on then ?

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Malachi-Zede-El wrote:Why do some christian say Yashu'a is his own father , When their scriptures says he not ?
because their teachings are not based solely on the bible.

What are they based on then ?
ancient pagan religious teachings and greek philosophy. You see, starting in the second century C.E., “Christian� thinkers made a determined effort to reach the pagans ...even though the writings of the apostle Paul warned against doing so, these later christian teachers integrated pagan customs and teachings to attract the pagans to christianity.


when christianity was first established by Jesus apostles, they did not have the trinity teaching or hellfire teaching or mary mother of God, or celebacy teachings...these all developed hundreds of years later.

these new teachings are recorded and explained in the writings of later christian teachers.... kind of like the writings of the hadiths in Islam...they are not the writings of mohammad or his apostles but they explain the developments of islam and the different things that happened in the islamic world. The writings of the 'church fathers' are were these false teachings come from.

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Re: Peg Why do you keep calling Yashu'a , Jesus ,

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Malachi-Zede-El wrote:'' In the book of The New Testament . They claimed that The New Testament was inspired to be written in Greek Originally , So therefore , The name '' Jesus '' is acceptable for common use . instead of using '' Yashu'a '' .
According to the Harper's Bible Dictionary ) , Page 329 , You see a picture of what the name of Jesus would have looked like back in The 1st Century , In the original Aramic ( Hebrew ) Language , Which he spoke . They also say that because there is no '' Sh '' Sound in the Greek Language , The name '' Jesus '' Is acceptable . Iesous - greek - was an attempted Translation from the original language into Greek . If there was no ''J '' sound in the english language before 1565 A.D. ... How was '' Jesus '' pronounced '? That means that the word '' Jesus '' Is no older than the 16th or 17th Century !!

If there was no '' J '' sound in the english language before 1565 A.D. How did the name '' Jesus '' come about ? As I have explain before , With a little Research , You will find that the names ''Zeus - greek - and '' Jesus '' - greek - are linked by the same root . According to the Larousee Encyclopedia of Mythology , The greek '' God '' dionysus is Etymologically Zeus . '' God '' ot '' Gad '' was the seveth son of Jacob . '' God '' Also stands for Gomer which is Wisdom , Oz - Which is Beauty and Dabar - which is Strength . Dionysis is '' God '' Of Wine ; Also known as Baccus . However , The final syllable of Dionysus or Zeus is identical to the ending of '' Jesus '' . This break down proves that their reason for selecting the suffix m -Sus , for the word 'Jesus '' was because of Dionysus or Zeus , Who was known as the Greek Savior when the Bible was Translated into the english language .

When you combine the modern forn of the Aramic ( Hebrew ) '' Y '' ( ' ) Which is pronounced '' Yod '' , To get the Latin J ( I ) And then add it to the word Zeus - You Get Ja -Zeus , Which is short for ( Yashu'a / Jesus ) and from Zeus you got the word Souse and then it became a Deity from which comes Deus in Portuguese , Dieu in French , Dio in Italian , Dios in Spanish , Dia in Scotch and Irish , And Duw in Welsh , Everyday new names are being added . When the researcher further on the meaning of the Suffix - Sus , You Find that according to the Webster's Third New International Dictionary , That - Sus is from the French , Latin meaning '' Swine , Hog , Sow, '' The scientific classification for the Pig is Sus Scorfa . The Word '' Souse '' ( Sus ) is the name of the certain type of combination of Pork that is pickled . Souse is also a nickname for the South , As in '' Souse Carolina , '' You may call it Blasphemy if you like , But Truth is Truth and Facts are Facts . And right now , the Facts are saying that ;
While interesting that post of yours had no relevance to your topic.

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Re: Peg Why do you keep calling Yashu'a , Jesus ,

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Malachi-Zede-El wrote:During the time of Jesus , The word '' Christ '' ( Did Not Exist ) . Now think about this point ; The so - called Christian say Christ means '' Anointed '' Well , ( If He Was Anointed , Then He Can't Be God . No One Human Or Angel Can Anoint '' God '' ( Whom You Call The Creator ) .

When someone is Anointed Oil is placed on them as a Sign of Sanctification ( Make Them Holy Or Consecrated In Religous Ceremony . God is '' The Holy One '' and '' The Accepter Of Repentance '' , He Doesn't Need To Be Anointed No Human Can Make Direct Contact With God Because It Would Cause Physical Damage . The Power Of The Presence Of God Would Burn Your Eyes Out . The Human Brain Would Be Totally Destroyed .
He was anointed as the one to redeem us from our sins. The recognition that Jesus is God comes from understanding that only God could pay for our sins.

Why can't God allow people to touch him? God is omnipotent.
Can't You See The Contradiction And Lies In The Christian Doctrine ?
Can you see how you draw conclusions before time and your lack of understanding of when to capitalise words in a sentence?

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Re: Peg Why do you keep calling Yashu'a , Jesus ,

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Wootah wrote:
Malachi-Zede-El wrote:'' In the book of The New Testament . They claimed that The New Testament was inspired to be written in Greek Originally , So therefore , The name '' Jesus '' is acceptable for common use . instead of using '' Yashu'a '' .
According to the Harper's Bible Dictionary ) , Page 329 , You see a picture of what the name of Jesus would have looked like back in The 1st Century , In the original Aramic ( Hebrew ) Language , Which he spoke . They also say that because there is no '' Sh '' Sound in the Greek Language , The name '' Jesus '' Is acceptable . Iesous - greek - was an attempted Translation from the original language into Greek . If there was no ''J '' sound in the english language before 1565 A.D. ... How was '' Jesus '' pronounced '? That means that the word '' Jesus '' Is no older than the 16th or 17th Century !!

If there was no '' J '' sound in the english language before 1565 A.D. How did the name '' Jesus '' come about ? As I have explain before , With a little Research , You will find that the names ''Zeus - greek - and '' Jesus '' - greek - are linked by the same root . According to the Larousee Encyclopedia of Mythology , The greek '' God '' dionysus is Etymologically Zeus . '' God '' ot '' Gad '' was the seveth son of Jacob . '' God '' Also stands for Gomer which is Wisdom , Oz - Which is Beauty and Dabar - which is Strength . Dionysis is '' God '' Of Wine ; Also known as Baccus . However , The final syllable of Dionysus or Zeus is identical to the ending of '' Jesus '' . This break down proves that their reason for selecting the suffix m -Sus , for the word 'Jesus '' was because of Dionysus or Zeus , Who was known as the Greek Savior when the Bible was Translated into the english language .

When you combine the modern forn of the Aramic ( Hebrew ) '' Y '' ( ' ) Which is pronounced '' Yod '' , To get the Latin J ( I ) And then add it to the word Zeus - You Get Ja -Zeus , Which is short for ( Yashu'a / Jesus ) and from Zeus you got the word Souse and then it became a Deity from which comes Deus in Portuguese , Dieu in French , Dio in Italian , Dios in Spanish , Dia in Scotch and Irish , And Duw in Welsh , Everyday new names are being added . When the researcher further on the meaning of the Suffix - Sus , You Find that according to the Webster's Third New International Dictionary , That - Sus is from the French , Latin meaning '' Swine , Hog , Sow, '' The scientific classification for the Pig is Sus Scorfa . The Word '' Souse '' ( Sus ) is the name of the certain type of combination of Pork that is pickled . Souse is also a nickname for the South , As in '' Souse Carolina , '' You may call it Blasphemy if you like , But Truth is Truth and Facts are Facts . And right now , the Facts are saying that ;
While interesting that post of yours had no relevance to your topic.

Question for you ok , Which one post on this fourm where the topic doesn't change , After it been discuss or doing discussion , For whatever reson . Anyway the first question have been answer already .

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Re: Peg Why do you keep calling Yashu'a , Jesus ,

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Malachi-Zede-El wrote:
Wootah wrote:
Malachi-Zede-El wrote:'' In the book of The New Testament . They claimed that The New Testament was inspired to be written in Greek Originally , So therefore , The name '' Jesus '' is acceptable for common use . instead of using '' Yashu'a '' .
According to the Harper's Bible Dictionary ) , Page 329 , You see a picture of what the name of Jesus would have looked like back in The 1st Century , In the original Aramic ( Hebrew ) Language , Which he spoke . They also say that because there is no '' Sh '' Sound in the Greek Language , The name '' Jesus '' Is acceptable . Iesous - greek - was an attempted Translation from the original language into Greek . If there was no ''J '' sound in the english language before 1565 A.D. ... How was '' Jesus '' pronounced '? That means that the word '' Jesus '' Is no older than the 16th or 17th Century !!

If there was no '' J '' sound in the english language before 1565 A.D. How did the name '' Jesus '' come about ? As I have explain before , With a little Research , You will find that the names ''Zeus - greek - and '' Jesus '' - greek - are linked by the same root . According to the Larousee Encyclopedia of Mythology , The greek '' God '' dionysus is Etymologically Zeus . '' God '' ot '' Gad '' was the seveth son of Jacob . '' God '' Also stands for Gomer which is Wisdom , Oz - Which is Beauty and Dabar - which is Strength . Dionysis is '' God '' Of Wine ; Also known as Baccus . However , The final syllable of Dionysus or Zeus is identical to the ending of '' Jesus '' . This break down proves that their reason for selecting the suffix m -Sus , for the word 'Jesus '' was because of Dionysus or Zeus , Who was known as the Greek Savior when the Bible was Translated into the english language .

When you combine the modern forn of the Aramic ( Hebrew ) '' Y '' ( ' ) Which is pronounced '' Yod '' , To get the Latin J ( I ) And then add it to the word Zeus - You Get Ja -Zeus , Which is short for ( Yashu'a / Jesus ) and from Zeus you got the word Souse and then it became a Deity from which comes Deus in Portuguese , Dieu in French , Dio in Italian , Dios in Spanish , Dia in Scotch and Irish , And Duw in Welsh , Everyday new names are being added . When the researcher further on the meaning of the Suffix - Sus , You Find that according to the Webster's Third New International Dictionary , That - Sus is from the French , Latin meaning '' Swine , Hog , Sow, '' The scientific classification for the Pig is Sus Scorfa . The Word '' Souse '' ( Sus ) is the name of the certain type of combination of Pork that is pickled . Souse is also a nickname for the South , As in '' Souse Carolina , '' You may call it Blasphemy if you like , But Truth is Truth and Facts are Facts . And right now , the Facts are saying that ;
While interesting that post of yours had no relevance to your topic.

Question for you ok , Which one post on this fourm where the topic doesn't change , After it been discuss or doing discussion , For whatever reson . Anyway the first question have been answer already .
I actually had to re-read the thread twice to see if I had missed something explaining why your post existed in it.

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Re: After crucifiction jesus did he resurrected as a Spirit

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Jesus resurrected not as a spirit. But as a man. human

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In modern scholarship, the baptism of Jesus and his crucifixion are considered to be two historically certain facts about Jesus.For example, James Dunn
states that these "two facts in the life of Jesus command almost universal assent" and "rank so high on the 'almost impossible to doubt or deny' scale of historical facts" that they are often the starting points for the study of the historical Jesus. Bart Ehrman states that the crucifixion of Jesus on the orders of Pontius Pilate is the most certain element about him.John Dominic Crossan states that the crucifixion of Jesus is as certain as any historical fact can be.Eddy and Boyd state that it is now "firmly established" that there is non-Christian confirmation of the crucifixion of Jesus.Craig Blomberg states that most scholars in the third quest for the historical Jesus consider the crucifixion indisputable.Christopher M. Tuckett states that, although the exact reasons for the death of Jesus are hard to determine, one of the indisputable facts about him is that he was crucified.



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crucifixion_of_Jesus


Of course the most important thing is what sinless Jesus who never lied and who lived a pure holy life said about Himself. He said many many times that He came to die on the cross to save the world. He foretold this to His desciples. Also, the Old Testament prophecied about crucifixion of Jesus hundreds of years before it happened. But beside what Jesus said and the Bible said there are historical records, witnesses which prove crucifixion as undeniable and undisputable fact. That is why when I attended a secular school and I was taught at hitory class that Jesus died on the Cross. Because cricifixion of Jesus is a historical FACT, it is historical event. So why does islam deny that? Can you tell me?

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Re: After crucifiction jesus did he resurrected as a Spirit

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Peg wrote:
Malachi-Zede-El wrote:After crucifiction jesus did he resurrected as a Spirit ?
the scritpures say that he was raised as a spirit, yes.

Ephesians 1:19 ...It is according to the operation of the mightiness of his strength, 20 with which he has operated in the case of the Christ when he raised him up from the dead and seated him at his right hand in the heavenly places


1Corinthians 15:44 It is sown a physical body, it is raised up a spiritual body. If there is a physical body, there is also a spiritual one. 45 It is even so written: “The first man Adam became a living soul.� The last Adam became a life-giving spirit.


And as a spirit, Jesus was able to appear in materialized bodies in the same way the angels can appear (and have done so on many occasions) in fleshly bodies.
This is an interesting observation of yours, but I believe it is not the case; for instance, Jesus rose from the dead like he raised Lazarus from the dead.

Lazarus didn't rise a spiritual body. Jesus body came back to life like those raise from the dead. He was perfect and could ascend to God in bodily form. For in Him dwells the fullness of deity in bodily form both before, and after death.

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