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After crucifiction jesus did he resurrected as a Spirit ?

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In post # 3 I walk you through it with scriptures also , When dealing with Facts and not Faith / Believe / Belief's , You can't go wrong !

why do you think that Jesus was not raised as a spirit???


Do you really think that spirits are unable to materialize a body?


Here are some facts about angels/spirits and what they could do:

In Genesis 32:24-30 we see an account of the patriarch Jacob who wrestled all night long with someone who was just as a normal man to him....yet the man turned out to be an angel of God. That angel was in the form of a man though.

In the account about Abrahams nephew 'Lot', angels in human form visited Lot and told them that the cities were to be destroyed, the angels were in the form of men and they ran with Lot out of the city even holding onto the hand of Lot.... Genesis 19:15 However, when the dawn ascended, then the angels became urgent with Lot, saying: “Get up! Take your wife and your two daughters who are found here, for fear you may be swept away in the error of the city!� 16 When he kept lingering, then in the compassion of Jehovah upon him, the men seized hold of his hand and of the hand of his wife and of the hands of his two daughters and they proceeded to bring him out and to station him outside the city


In the account about Abraham at Genesis 18:1-8 we see that Abraham cooked a meal for 3 angles who were in the form of men... the angles ate the meal
5 " And let me get a piece of bread, and refresh YOUR hearts. Following that, YOU can pass on, because that is why YOU have passed this way to YOUR servant.� ...8 He then took butter and milk and the young bull that he had got ready and set it before them. Then he himself kept standing by them under the tree as they were eating"




So just in these example it is evident that the spirits in heaven are able to take on human bodies when they need to. Why do you think that this was not the case with Jesus after his resurrection?
Let me say this again , In post # 3 I walk you through it with scriptures also , When dealing with Facts and not Faith / Believe / Belief's , You can't go wrong !
By the way nowhere in the OT does it speak of Yashu'a .

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Peg Why do you keep calling Yashu'a , Jesus ,

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'' In the book of The New Testament . They claimed that The New Testament was inspired to be written in Greek Originally , So therefore , The name '' Jesus '' is acceptable for common use . instead of using '' Yashu'a '' .
According to the Harper's Bible Dictionary ) , Page 329 , You see a picture of what the name of Jesus would have looked like back in The 1st Century , In the original Aramic ( Hebrew ) Language , Which he spoke . They also say that because there is no '' Sh '' Sound in the Greek Language , The name '' Jesus '' Is acceptable . Iesous - greek - was an attempted Translation from the original language into Greek . If there was no ''J '' sound in the english language before 1565 A.D. ... How was '' Jesus '' pronounced '? That means that the word '' Jesus '' Is no older than the 16th or 17th Century !!

If there was no '' J '' sound in the english language before 1565 A.D. How did the name '' Jesus '' come about ? As I have explain before , With a little Research , You will find that the names ''Zeus - greek - and '' Jesus '' - greek - are linked by the same root . According to the Larousee Encyclopedia of Mythology , The greek '' God '' dionysus is Etymologically Zeus . '' God '' ot '' Gad '' was the seveth son of Jacob . '' God '' Also stands for Gomer which is Wisdom , Oz - Which is Beauty and Dabar - which is Strength . Dionysis is '' God '' Of Wine ; Also known as Baccus . However , The final syllable of Dionysus or Zeus is identical to the ending of '' Jesus '' . This break down proves that their reason for selecting the suffix m -Sus , for the word 'Jesus '' was because of Dionysus or Zeus , Who was known as the Greek Savior when the Bible was Translated into the english language .

When you combine the modern forn of the Aramic ( Hebrew ) '' Y '' ( ' ) Which is pronounced '' Yod '' , To get the Latin J ( I ) And then add it to the word Zeus - You Get Ja -Zeus , Which is short for ( Yashu'a / Jesus ) and from Zeus you got the word Souse and then it became a Deity from which comes Deus in Portuguese , Dieu in French , Dio in Italian , Dios in Spanish , Dia in Scotch and Irish , And Duw in Welsh , Everyday new names are being added . When the researcher further on the meaning of the Suffix - Sus , You Find that according to the Webster's Third New International Dictionary , That - Sus is from the French , Latin meaning '' Swine , Hog , Sow, '' The scientific classification for the Pig is Sus Scorfa . The Word '' Souse '' ( Sus ) is the name of the certain type of combination of Pork that is pickled . Souse is also a nickname for the South , As in '' Souse Carolina , '' You may call it Blasphemy if you like , But Truth is Truth and Facts are Facts . And right now , the Facts are saying that ;

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Re: Peg Why do you keep calling Yashu'a , Jesus ,

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Malachi-Zede-El wrote:''
If there was no ''J '' sound in the english language before 1565 A.D. ... How was '' Jesus '' pronounced '? That means that the word '' Jesus '' Is no older than the 16th or 17th Century !!
The English J comes from the French J which came to England in 1066 with the Norman Conquest. (Ref) Do you have any source demonstrating the there was no J sound in English before 1565? A source that does NOT say “if the was no J sound in English before 1565 AD how was Jesus pronounced�, please. There are loads of those, but they all seem to have copied from each other with no original source for the J sound claim.

Anyway, before 1565 Christianity was almost exclusively Catholic. If they were anything like today’s Catholics, they never said “Jesus�, only “Christ�. ;)
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Malachi-Zede-El wrote:'' In the book of The New Testament . They claimed that The New Testament was inspired to be written in Greek Originally , So therefore , The name '' Jesus '' is acceptable for common use . instead of using '' Yashu'a '' .
According to the Harper's Bible Dictionary ) , Page 329 , You see a picture of what the name of Jesus would have looked like back in The 1st Century , In the original Aramic ( Hebrew ) Language , Which he spoke . They also say that because there is no '' Sh '' Sound in the Greek Language , The name '' Jesus '' Is acceptable . Iesous - greek - was an attempted Translation from the original language into Greek . If there was no ''J '' sound in the english language before 1565 A.D. ... How was '' Jesus '' pronounced '? That means that the word '' Jesus '' Is no older than the 16th or 17th Century !!

If there was no '' J '' sound in the english language before 1565 A.D. How did the name '' Jesus '' come about ? As I have explain before , With a little Research , You will find that the names ''Zeus - greek - and '' Jesus '' - greek - are linked by the same root . According to the Larousee Encyclopedia of Mythology , The greek '' God '' dionysus is Etymologically Zeus . '' God '' ot '' Gad '' was the seveth son of Jacob . '' God '' Also stands for Gomer which is Wisdom , Oz - Which is Beauty and Dabar - which is Strength . Dionysis is '' God '' Of Wine ; Also known as Baccus . However , The final syllable of Dionysus or Zeus is identical to the ending of '' Jesus '' . This break down proves that their reason for selecting the suffix m -Sus , for the word 'Jesus '' was because of Dionysus or Zeus , Who was known as the Greek Savior when the Bible was Translated into the english language .

When you combine the modern forn of the Aramic ( Hebrew ) '' Y '' ( ' ) Which is pronounced '' Yod '' , To get the Latin J ( I ) And then add it to the word Zeus - You Get Ja -Zeus , Which is short for ( Yashu'a / Jesus ) and from Zeus you got the word Souse and then it became a Deity from which comes Deus in Portuguese , Dieu in French , Dio in Italian , Dios in Spanish , Dia in Scotch and Irish , And Duw in Welsh , Everyday new names are being added . When the researcher further on the meaning of the Suffix - Sus , You Find that according to the Webster's Third New International Dictionary , That - Sus is from the French , Latin meaning '' Swine , Hog , Sow, '' The scientific classification for the Pig is Sus Scorfa . The Word '' Souse '' ( Sus ) is the name of the certain type of combination of Pork that is pickled . Souse is also a nickname for the South , As in '' Souse Carolina , '' You may call it Blasphemy if you like , But Truth is Truth and Facts are Facts . And right now , the Facts are saying that ;

'' Christ '' Is the english corruption of the Greek word < Kristos - greek > Which comes from the Latin word '' Cristus '' . The root of < Kristos - greek > is the Greek word < Krio - greek >
Which means '' To Rub Over , To Anoint '' . Kristos is the Greek interpretation of the Hebrew word < Mashiah - aramic - > Which taken its origin from The Ashuric / Syriac ( Arabic ) word Masiyh - arabic - meaning '' Anointed '' . The Ashuric / Syriac ( Arabic ) Masiyh - arabic -derived from the root word < Masaba - arabic > , Which means '' He Wiped Clean , He Healed And Annointed , '' From the '' Christus '' , Christ '' Come into the old english as '' Crist '' , to the middle english root '' Christ '' ,

And then to the english as '' Christ '' originally the word '' Kiristos '' Comes from Sanskirt . The Ancient Script of the 200 Fallen Angelic Beings who were cast down to the planet earth the head of the Fallen Angelic Beings was named '' Tarnush '' and he was called '' Krisna '' . The Demon Deity of the Hindus , Who were descendants of the Fallen Eloheem ( Disagreeable Beings ) of the land of Nod . This is where the word '' Kristos '' Is derived .

According to '' The American Heritage Dictionary '' Their definition for '' Christ '' Is Jesus Christ Reguarded by Christians Ab Being The Son Of God And The Messiah Foretold By The Prophet Of The Old Testement . Thus rendering one who believes in '' Christ '' or '' Jesus '' A Christian . They also define the era of time this Religion began as being roughly at his birth 1 A.D. Which is an incorrect date .

( First of all , Jesus Did Not Speak Greek so he never knew the word '' Christ '' . Which is a Greek word , or the word '' Christian '' , or for that matter , The name '' Jesus '' which is also a Greek Word .

There are many Definitions that The Christian world has submitted for the wird '' Christ '' .

( 1 ) . Christ - Middle english Crist ; Latin Chrisus , from Greek Khristos , The anointed ( one ) from Khrein '' to anoint '' . Taken from ; American Heritage disctionary of the english language .

( 2 ) . Christ - A translation of the Hebrew Mashiah , As is expressly state in John 1 ; 41 , Meaning Anointed ; '' We Have Found The Messiah , Which Is Being Interpreted The Christ '' , The Hebrew word designates the King who was to come , The promised Messiah . Taken from ; Catholic encyclopedia .

( 2 ) Christ - Greek Christos '' Anointed '' Equivalent to the Hebrew Meshiach , Messiah ''; Anointed . The official title of Jesus of Nazareth designating him as '' The Messiah '' Or '' Promised one of the Old Testement '' , In Messianic prophecy the term came to be applied specifically to The Messiah who , As Prophet , Priest , And King was the one ordained to be the redeemer of the world . Taken from Seventh -Day adventist Bible dictionary , Volume 8 .

4 . Christ - The Jehovah Witnesses express that their allegiance is to Jesus Christ , The Head of the Christian congregation , Who stated ; '' ... For One Is Your Master , Even Christ '' , ( Matthew 23 ; 10 ) . Taken from ; '' Christ actively leads his congregation '' , The Watchtower , August 1 , 1987 ,The following terms are derived from the word '' Christ ''

Chris-Like , Christendom - Christian - Christianity - Christmas -
Christianity ; The part of the world in which Christianity prevails of or relating to Christianity . The Religion derived from Jesus Christ based on the Bible as professed by Easter , Roman Catholic and Protestant Bodies . A Christian feast on December 25 , or among Eastern Orthodox on January 7 . that commemorates the birth of Christ and is usually observed as a holiday .

During the time of Jesus , The word '' Christ '' ( Did Not Exist ) . Now think about this point ; The so - called Christian say Christ means '' Anointed '' Well , ( If He Was Anointed , Then He Can't Be God . No One Human Or Angel Can Anoint '' God '' ( Whom You Call The Creator ) .

When someone is Anointed Oil is placed on them as a Sign of Sanctification ( Make Them Holy Or Consecrated In Religous Ceremony . God is '' The Holy One '' and '' The Accepter Of Repentance '' , He Doesn't Need To Be Anointed No Human Can Make Direct Contact With God Because It Would Cause Physical Damage . The Power Of The Presence Of God Would Burn Your Eyes Out . The Human Brain Would Be Totally Destroyed . Can't You See The Contradiction And Lies In The Christian Doctrine ?

As I already explained to you , The word '' Christ '' Is the english corruption of the Greek word Kristos . The Greek language has a Grammatical system and Translation that is very diffrent from the semetic language such as Syretic , Akkadian , Aramic , Phoenician ( Called Hebrew ) And Arabic .

The word '' Khristos '' is originally from Sanskrit ( Also called Sanscrit ) The Ancient script of the 200 fallen angels who were cast out of Heaven to earth . They came down in omages that attracted the women and men of the land of Nod. Some camed Men and women and other came as Hermaphrodites and Hemaphrodites . The Hermaphrodites and Hemaphrodites . Worshipped by the inhabintants of Nod and called Gods or Deities . Krishna ( Krsna ) was one of these Cherubim ( Negative Or Disagreeable Beings ) That was worshipped as a Hindu God . Hinduism is the Religion of '' The Devil '' . Khrishna is the Hindu God that is part of the Trinity worshipped by Hindus . It is said that there are 3 Supreme Gods in Hinduism ; 1 . Vishnu 2 . Brahma 3 , Shiva . 3 Supreme Gods In Hinduism , Your Trinity .

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Let me say this again , In post # 3 I walk you through it with scriptures also , When dealing with Facts and not Faith / Believe / Belief's , You can't go wrong !
By the way nowhere in the OT does it speak of Yashu'a .
the scripture you've referred to in Luke explains a little more then you have...

Luke 24:36 While they were speaking of these things he himself stood in their midst [[and said to them: “May YOU have peace.�]] 37 But because they were terrified, and had become frightened, they were imagining they beheld a spirit

in another account when Jesus appeared, the writer Matthew explained that the disciples thought they were seeing an 'apparition'....
Matthew 14:26 When they caught sight of him walking on the sea, the disciples were troubled, saying: “It is an apparition!� And they cried out in their fear. 27 But at once Jesus spoke to them with the words: “Take courage, it is I; have no fear.� 28 In reply Peter said to him: “Lord, if it is you, command me to come to you over the waters.�


in these accounts the dicsiples were fearful when they saw Jesus because there was something different about him and they didnt know who or what they were seeing.... now if Jesus was resurrected as a fleshly person, then why would they have been fearful and why would he have had to let them feel him to convince them that it was really him???


think about that and try to read the surrounding verses rather then just take one sentence out of an account and draw a conclusion.
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Peg wrote:
Malachi-Zede-El wrote:
Let me say this again , In post # 3 I walk you through it with scriptures also , When dealing with Facts and not Faith / Believe / Belief's , You can't go wrong !
By the way nowhere in the OT does it speak of Yashu'a .
the scripture you've referred to in Luke explains a little more then you have...

Luke 24:36 While they were speaking of these things he himself stood in their midst [[and said to them: “May YOU have peace.�]] 37 But because they were terrified, and had become frightened, they were imagining they beheld a spirit

in another account when Jesus appeared, the writer Matthew explained that the disciples thought they were seeing an 'apparition'....
Matthew 14:26 When they caught sight of him walking on the sea, the disciples were troubled, saying: “It is an apparition!� And they cried out in their fear. 27 But at once Jesus spoke to them with the words: “Take courage, it is I; have no fear.� 28 In reply Peter said to him: “Lord, if it is you, command me to come to you over the waters.�


in these accounts the dicsiples were fearful when they saw Jesus because there was something different about him and they didnt know who or what they were seeing.... now if Jesus was resurrected as a fleshly person, then why would they have been fearful and why would he have had to let them feel him to convince them that it was really him???


think about that and try to read the surrounding verses rather then just take one sentence out of an account and draw a conclusion.
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I have given more then one verse , I have also explain in d-tail . Why Yashu'a couldn't have resurrected as a Spirit ? , May you should it again without the spookism .

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I have given more then one verse , I have also explain in d-tail . Why Yashu'a couldn't have resurrected as a Spirit ? , May you should it again without the spookism .
yeah ok,

thats the common mistake many people make when reading the bible...they pick out verses and apply a meaning to it rather then comparing the verse with other verses in order to come to a 'reasonable' conclusion


you dont want to reason on how Jesus was resurrected because you are told that he wasnt resurrected at all...and if he wasnt resurrected, then nor did he die. Well thats your prerogative, but even the Hebrew prophets spoke about the death and resurrection of the messiah. You can discount the word of the prophets of God, that is up to you... it is God who judges us all on how we respond to his word.

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Peg wrote:
Malachi-Zede-El wrote:
I have given more then one verse , I have also explain in d-tail . Why Yashu'a couldn't have resurrected as a Spirit ? , May you should it again without the spookism .
yeah ok,

thats the common mistake many people make when reading the bible...they pick out verses and apply a meaning to it rather then comparing the verse with other verses in order to come to a 'reasonable' conclusion


you dont want to reason on how Jesus was resurrected because you are told that he wasnt resurrected at all...and if he wasnt resurrected, then nor did he die. Well thats your prerogative, but even the Hebrew prophets spoke about the death and resurrection of the messiah. You can discount the word of the prophets of God, that is up to you... it is God who judges us all on how we respond to his word.

I don't follow any school of though , I stand by post # 3 . Nor do I just pick out any verses , to throw anything together . I walk you through it step by step . No spirit resurrected and still have their body part's as I have show you .

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Why do some christian say Yashu'a is his own father

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Why do some christian say Yashu'a is his own father , When their scriptures says he not ?

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Malachi-Zede-El wrote:Why do some christian say Yashu'a is his own father , When their scriptures says he not ?
because their teachings are not based solely on the bible.

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