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Salam,
What's the meaning of them?
Shi'eh means "the follower"
The Prophet(S.A) said:
"In the future my nation will be 73beliefs, and each of them say We are the truth! but just one of them is the original..."
Well, which of them is the real Shi'eh of the Prophet?
Let's go do discuss for find the real Sonnat.
*Notic: we should not search the FOLLOWERS of beliefs! we should search the DOCTRINE of beliefs.
Salam.
I assume your beliefs are the better! Well, be soldier of God and convert me. By your own reasonings also tell me my wrong beliefs and why..>> :study:

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THE DECODERS OF THE HOLY BOOKS

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LaIlahaIllAllah wrote:who supports those Alawites in Syria who are the result of Shi'ism.
Shame on them who supported Saddam(La'natoAllah alayh) for attack Iraq to Iran.
Also Arabistan to Bahrain
Also Wahhabiun and Taliban to Muslims
Also shame on dictatorship countries..
..and wrote:WE DON'T HAVE NEED TO DECODER
So why God Has sent the chapters of "Yusef", "Nuh", "Ebrahim"...??
These chapters in the Torah are the whole stories of them more than Qor'an!!
- Why the holy books have chapters and verses??
How have been separate up into their verses??
- So they are secret books and have need to the Decoders! O:)
I assume your beliefs are the better! Well, be soldier of God and convert me. By your own reasonings also tell me my wrong beliefs and why..>> :study:

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Burninglight wrote:Sorry about that, I'll stop posting here, but I am trying to understand what you guys are debating about.
We are talking about his innovated religion of shiaism for which their main pillar of belief has no basis in the Quran yet they persist in believing it..

Think of it this way, if a Christian wanted to convert to shiaism, instead of saying "O, Jesus" all he would have to do is replace "Jesus" with "Hussein" or "Ali".

But in the real Islam, the Christian would be told to say "O, Allah/God" instead of calling upon dead humans for help who cannot hear him, nor help him.

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Re: Shi'ah & Sonni

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Yusef wrote:
LaIlahaIllAllah wrote:They aren't though.. We have a way way way better and more efficient system of grading the hadeeth which Shias didn't have until hundreds of years later and they took some of it from the Sunnis. Even still they did not learn enough and that is why we find scholars saying Quran is corrupt because your ahadeeth say so.
HaHa!!! Your own dominant scholars were students of The Imams(a.s)!
Abu-Hanifah, the imam of the belief of Hanafiyah was for two years, one of thousands student of the Imam Ja'far Al-Sadiq(a.s).
First of all, I don't blindly follow anybody except rasoolullah and Allah. Second of all, this is just more shia propaganda to fool ignorant Sunnis and Shias. Third, it wasn't "dominant scholars" plural, there is some truth to this, as the people of Falsehood (you Shias and other innovators and deviants) always bring some truth with a lot of falsehood to mislead the unaware people. Fourth, the truth is that it had to do with Abu Hanifah (ra) only. Fifth, he wasn't a student of Ja'far as-Sadiq. sixth, Imam Abu Hanifa (ra) DID listen to some of his talks and took some of his advice, but this in no way means that he was his student, you exaggerating raafidi!! Your whole religion is base on EXAGGERATION and lies!
The Ahadith of the Imams(a.s) were the same Ahadith of the Prophet(s.a).
Just an our Ahadith book, Al-BiharAl-Anwar of Allamah Majlesi was more than 100 books!
Majlisi was the one that said THE QURAN IS CORRUPTED!! Typical Shia raafidi to follow his raafidi priests blindly even when they commit kufr!
..and wrote:You don't say those ahadeeth are wrong?? Are you talking about the ones that say the Quran is 17000 verses that Shia scholars marked authentic?? Sorry if I am misunderstanding because I think I am.
I've read the same olden book of the Al-Kafi, and you have zoom on just the same Hadith! but more of them has written the original Qor'an hadn't this arrangement for verses and chapters.
Did I ask you this? I asked you if you think those ahadeeth that MAJLISI graded SAHIH, are incorrect. Do you think they are incorrect? - that was my question, gonna wait for your answer.

Also, look what you just said you proved the quality of your Shia muhadith scholars. They grade the hadeeth that say Quran is corrupt as Sahih and they grade the hadeeth that say Quran is not corrupt as Sahih also?? Dumb raafidis....
..and wrote:I did not hear that Shia Scholars removed those ahadeeth because TOP shia scholars such as al-majilisi are the ones that graded it Sahih
Yes, I watched a Shi'i channel that allways two persons call it, one Shi'eh and one Sonni, then the Sonni asked them about that, and the expert answered: "No! This same Uthmanic Qor'an is the same original without any corruption!"
First of all, he did not say that the scholars removed those kufr hadeeth like you said.

Second, he is using taqiyya because this is encouraged in your religion. Sunnis are only allowed to use taqiyya when their life is in danger, then they can say kufr but not believe it in the heart. Shias on the other hand, use it alllllll the time.

Where is the link I said you for, for the new al-kafi with removed hadeeth that your scholars marked as Sahih? Why're you changing the subject?

Also, is this guy better or smarter than majlisi and all the other scholars who said those ahadeeth were authentic?
..and wrote:that Abu bakr and Umar (ra) took out the chapters that speak about Ali (ra) (astaghfirullah). His teacher also shared the same view
? ? ? NEVER!
This is what is says in Al-kafi!!! You said you read it, but do you really?? Majlisi and al-majlisi and al-kulayni and his teacher all believed in this.
..and wrote:?? We have Sahih ahadeeth about how the prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) did wudhu and prayed. There is also a Sahih hadeeth about Ali (may Allah be pleased with him) doing wudhu and saying "this is how the prophet (pbuh) did wudhu", So we following Ali (ra) more than you!!
The modern Shi'ahs say like this so.
Dunno what you mean here.
..and wrote:Write your lineage down here.
I don't have need to your believe.
hahahahhaha, exposed.
..and wrote:calling Ali (ra) FOR HELP!
1- I never calling anyone except God for help such as false Shi'ahs.
2- Why you call doctor, worker, mechanic, and... for help??
Typical innovator/deviant reply.

You need to use your brain my friend. It is NOT shirk when the person is actually there and can help you, such as a doctor, mechanic, worker, your friend, etc. BUT it IS shirk if you call on those who CANNOT help you, such as the DEAD or someone halfway across the world and you are saying "O, [name here]" - Not over phone but just saying it and trying to get help like that.

This is the difference, keep it in your mind so next time some Shia priest tells you it is not shirk because it is like asking a mechanic, now you can refute him with this proof and truth I have just given you.
3- When we call "Ya Ali", "YaHoo", "Ya (Imams and Prophets)" Salam and Salawat of Allah be upon them, that's no means that they are god[Na'udoBAllah!], We call them just for remember and regard them.
It is shirk when you call anybody like that for help - with the conditions I explained above.
..and wrote:PRAYING TO DEAD PEOPLE IN GRAVES! And prostrating to the graves!
Yes, they're ignorantly moshrik and against Shi'ah and the Imams(a.s).
Also, I myself allways tell everyone for that.
Alhamdulillah, you are the first Shia that i've spoken with that is against this, thank God, I did not believe such a Shia exists.
..and wrote:Answer this question: Do you believe that this hadeeth is Sahih or false?
Allaho A'alam! I don't know! I'm not Imam and or Prophet!!
Astaghfirullah!! You don't know whether a hadeeth that says that al-Quran al-Kareem is corrupted, is fake or true????

May Allah guide us all but especially the shias who doubt whether Quran is corrupted or not..
..and wrote:raafidi priests who curse the Mother of Believers
I never curse her and any sahabah except Abu-Sofiyan and Mo'aviah and Yazid(L.A.A)
I see, also I agree that Mu'awiyah (ra) was wrong in his battle with Ali (ra) but he was just driven by emotion to punish the killers of his cousin - Uthman (ra). I am not giving an excuse for his actions but just want to point out that you Shia are similar to him. You are all about emotions and hating Sunnis because you think we hate ahlul bayt - that is what your priests brainwash you to think - and that we are Nawasib when we are not and we love ahlul bayt. Shias and Nawasib are at extremes, and Sunnis are moderate and love both the Sahaba and Ahlul bayt (may Allah be pleased with them all).

Also, Sunnis do not like or hate Yazid, but just want to let you know that he did not kill Hussein (ra), nor what is it his intention to kill him. In fact, he cried when he heard that Hussein (ra) had been killed.
..and wrote:raafidi priests who say the Prophets and Imams know the all of the Unseen
??? Where is this claim!!?


I will try to find it later, insha Allah.
..and wrote:who supports those Alawites in Syria who are the result of Shi'ism.
Shame on them who suppoted Saddam(La'natoAllah alayh) for attack to Iran.
I didn't really support Saddam Hussein b/c it sometimes he did things that were good and especially around the beginning he was bad and was part of that Ba'ath socialist party. Some think he started getting good at the end, but Allahu Alam.
..and wrote:Shame on you ... who follow your forefathers who betrayed and killed Hussein (ra).
Yes, but no for our(Sayyids) forefathers
Yes, the Shia of Kufa, your forefathers are the ones who betrayed, deserted and killed Hussein (ra). Specifically an Irani Shia named Shimr is the one who personally killed Hussein (ra).

That is why Shias beat themselves in that month that Hussein (ra) was killed because those Shia of Kufa started it because they were regretting what they had done.
..and wrote:Shame on ... and ... and...
I'm glad that anyone such as you is against Shi'ah.
Yes, I am glad that I am against the Shia too.
Also Wahhabiun and Taliban to Muslims
Taliban is HELPING the Muslims and AGAINST the people invading and killing them there, while Shias are co-operating with the Americans and Israel!! Did you see how Ahmadinejad has such cozy relations with Israel? Now even "Hezbollah" turned bad and have treaties with Israel!!
Also shame on dictatorship countries..
Yes, I agree here. There is no "Muslim country" in the world - Including Iran - that applies 100% Shariah Law. And all the dictators in the Arab countries are corrupted and best friends with America such as ones from Iran and Saudi Arabia. The only difference b/w the two is that SA shows it in public but Iran keeps it hidden.

Even some ignorant Sunnis are confused and think Iran is an Islamic country. Cause they had an "Islamic revolution" yet still don't apply 100% shariah law???

I think we will have to wait for the Mahdi to establish the khilafah.
So why God Has sent the chapters of "Yusef", "Nuh", "Ebrahim"...??
These chapters in the Torah are the whole stories of them more than Qor'an!!
- Why the holy books have chapters and verses??
How have been separate up into their verses??
- So they are secret books and have need to the Decoders!
I do not get what you are trying to say here, but you still haven't produced me an unambiguous verse about the 12 Imam belief. Why? Does it not exist?

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Yusef wrote:
..and wrote:raafidi priests who say the Prophets and Imams know the all of the Unseen
??? Where is this claim!!?
Ya Shia, you have asked and by the Will of Allah (Subhana wa Ta'ala) I managed to track down some of your scholars' statements concerning this.

This is how your show proof, not by making claims without backing them up (like you and the ibn taymiyyah thing which you conveniently failed to reply to).





And also this one:



He says:

"If you want to know the Shia opinion and also my opinion: Yes! The Imams, like Imam Rida ... he was aware of all my deeds before I was even born! Before I was created, the Imam knew the day, second, time..."

I left out some parts where he says he visits his shrine to ask for help and things like that but watch the video yourself and you shall see insha Allah.


How to bring Shias and Sunnis closer together:




Many Shia scholar lies including a grand ayatollah saying MOST Shia scholars believe Quran has been tampered with:




Another vid of Shia scholars on Imams and other people knowing the Unseen and things that only Allah (Subhana wa Ta'ala) knows:




May Allah (Azza wa Jal) save us.

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LaIlahaIllAllah wrote:Think of it this way, if a Christian wanted to convert to shiaism, instead of saying "O, Jesus" all he would have to do is replace "Jesus" with "Hussein" or "Ali".
HaHa! Yes, replace "Jesus" with any Prophets and Imams and all great people who have shrine!!
But! There is a difference between modern Christians and modern Shi'ahs! Christians just say "O' Jesus", but Shi'ahs some times say "O' Allah" also..
And Shi'as[false,true] never obey except God.
..and wrote:..calling upon dead humans for help who cannot hear him, nor help him.
So according to Mr. Allahyari, the great scholar of Shi'ah, why you say:
"AsSalamo Alayka AyyohanNabioWaRahmatoAllahiWaBarakatoh"
in the say prays??
..and wrote:First of all, I don't blindly follow anybody except rasoolullah and Allah
How you know RassulAllah and Allah what said???
..and wrote:Fifth, he wasn't a student of Ja'far as-Sadiq. sixth, Imam Abu Hanifa (ra) DID listen to some of his talks and took some of his advice, but this in no way means that he was his student
You regard Abu-Hanifah and say "(ra)", but didn't say that for the great teacher of himself, Al-Imam Ja'far Al-Sadiq(a.s)!! Shame on you.
-AbuHanifah is the most and first your Imams, and Imam Shafi'ii also was one of the thousands student of Al-Imam Mohammad Al-Baghir(a.s) and Sadigh(a.s).
The your Imams were more scholars or the Children of the Prophet(s.a)?? Shame on you.
..and wrote:Majlisi was the one that said THE QURAN IS CORRUPTED!! Typical Shia raafidi to follow his raafidi priests blindly even when they commit kufr!
One follower of Hanbali who told Allah(JALLAJALALOH) Is material(Na'udoBAllaho AstaghfiroAllah), this is Shirkkk and Kufrrr!
..and wrote:Second, he is using taqiyya because this is encouraged in your religion. Sunnis are only allowed to use taqiyya when their life is in danger,
NEVER! These Taqiyah that you say, it's for Jews who instead "Lie" with "Taqiyah"! and use that allll the time! no doctrine of Shiite.
..and wrote:This is what is says in Al-kafi!!! You said you read it, but do you really?? Majlisi and al-majlisi and al-kulayni and his teacher all believed in this.
I disagree the that ahadith that say this. And believe those aren't Sahhih.
..and wrote:Dunno what you mean here.
The scholars of Shi'ah say also:
?? We have Sahih ahadeeth about how the prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) did wudhu and prayed. There is also a Sahih hadeeth about Ali (may Allah be pleased with him) doing wudhu and saying "this is how the prophet (pbuh) did wudhu", So we following Ali (ra) more than you!!
..and wrote:hahahahhaha, exposed
No prob
..and wrote:BUT it IS shirk if you call on those who CANNOT help you, such as the DEAD or someone halfway across the world and you are saying "O, [name here]" - Not over phone but just saying it and trying to get help like that.
I told in the previous quotes about the Salaam of the daily say prays.
..and wrote:I see, also I agree that Mu'awiyah (..., Sunnis do not like or hate Yazid..
I say down with and La'natoAllah alayhim every against of the Prophet(s.a) and AhlulBayt(a.s).
everybody who be... (Sahabah, Ayesheh,...)
even my own forefather, AbuBakr...
We all Muslims agreed that.
La'natoAllah ala Nawasib, everyone who be...
Nasebies are wrose than Jews
Nawasib are the wrost.
..and wrote:...intention to kill him. In fact, he cried when he heard that Hussein (ra) had been killed.
LIE LIE LIE,
This is Just BLINDLY DOGMATIC FOLLOWER OF THE PARENTAL BELIEFS
..and wrote:I didn't really support Saddam Hussein b/c it sometimes he did things that were good and especially around the beginning he was bad and was part of that Ba'ath socialist party. Some think he started getting good at the end, but Allahu Alam.
This is Just BLINDLY DOGMATIC FOLLOWER OF THE PARENTAL BELIEFS.
La'anatoAllah ala Saddam.
..and wrote:Yes, the Shia of Kufa, your forefathers are the ones who betrayed, deserted and killed Hussein (ra).
YES.
..and wrote:Specifically an Irani Shia named Shimr is the one who personally killed Hussein (ra).
Shimbr Diljowshan, Irani????
The Muslims are brothers and sisters together, and no important Irani, Arab, Afghani, Tork, Lor, Baluch, Kord, and...
..and wrote:That is why Shias beat themselves in that month that Hussein (ra) was killed because those Shia of Kufa started it because they were regretting what they had done.
YES.
but why there weren't any Sonnies among the 72 people of the army of Imam Hossain(a.s)??
but there were some Christians?
PBU real Christians who are very very very kind really.
..and wrote:Taliban is HELPING the Muslims and AGAINST the people invading and killing them there,
Yes, I like Taliban, specifically when watched the news that showed the Taliban were attack to historical idols in the mountains of Afghanistan.
because they for the way of Islam intrepidly attack to any against Allah.
..and wrote:Did you see how Ahmadinejad has such cozy relations with Israel? Now even "Hezbollah" turned bad and have treaties with Israel!!
ABSOLUTE LIE.
..and wrote:There is no "Muslim country" in the world - Including Iran - that applies 100% Shariah Law.
Yes. And make hating Islam and Muslims
..and wrote:And all the dictators in the Arab countries are corrupted and best friends with America such as ones from Iran and Saudi Arabia. The only difference b/w the two is that SA shows it in public but Iran keeps it hidden
For Iran has been done 34years ago
By the great lord, Sayyed RuhoAllah Khomeini(r.a) and his followers[99% Iranian]
This is an example for "AlSabighoon" of Qor'an!
* Shame on Saudi Arabia that is the main Islamic country and is dictatorship yet.
also kill the people of Bahrain, and is slave of America.
..and wrote:I think we will have to wait for the Mahdi to establish the khilafah
Yes, I agree.
Allahoma Ajjil LiWaliekaAlFaraj

* Prophet Mohammad(s.a) said:
Anyone who makes dogmatically behaviours, in the time of resurrection will arises with "A'arab Jahiliyah"...
One person asked Imam Sadigh(a.s), how were the fool Arabs?
The Imam answered:
They killed their own girls, because the girls wont be take prisoners by enemies.
I assume your beliefs are the better! Well, be soldier of God and convert me. By your own reasonings also tell me my wrong beliefs and why..>> :study:

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Yusef wrote:
LaIlahaIllAllah wrote:Think of it this way, if a Christian wanted to convert to shiaism, instead of saying "O, Jesus" all he would have to do is replace "Jesus" with "Hussein" or "Ali".
HaHa! Yes, replace "Jesus" with any Prophets and Imams and all great people who have shrine!!
But! There is a difference between modern Christians and modern Shi'ahs! Christians just say "O' Jesus", but Shi'ahs some times say "O' Allah" also..
And Shi'as[false,true] never obey except God.
Christians say "O, God" too... along with "O Jesus" as Shias say "O Allah" along with "O Hussein/Ali". So you are still basically the same.
..and wrote:..calling upon dead humans for help who cannot hear him, nor help him.
So according to Mr. Allahyari, the great scholar of Shi'ah, why you say:
"AsSalamo Alayka AyyohanNabioWaRahmatoAllahiWaBarakatoh"
in the say prays??
First of all, I say assalaamu ALA anNabiy. Not alayka, though there isn't anything really wrong with this b/c there is an exception here. It is because the angels deliver this message to the prophet so technically he can hear, but only because of the angels and Allah's Will. Therefore, it is not shirk and not haraam at all.

Second, there is no authentic report that says the same thing happens with the rest of the prophets family (may Allah be pleased with them)!

Third, don't change the subject in your next reply and answer me about this shirk you do with graves, did you see those videos? Did you see that stuff? What your scholars said?

Fourth, it is haraam to go to graves and pray except for Janazah prayer, and we do not go to the prophet's (peace be upon him) grave and ask him to help us, we ONLY ask ALLAH to help us!!

So answer me in your next reply, about you asking help from dead people, Sunnis don't do that.
..and wrote:First of all, I don't blindly follow anybody except rasoolullah and Allah
How you know RassulAllah and Allah what said???
The Quran - What Allah (Azza wa Jal) said, authentic Sunnah - what the prophet (sallAllahu alayhis wassalaam) did and said.
..and wrote:Fifth, he wasn't a student of Ja'far as-Sadiq. sixth, Imam Abu Hanifa (ra) DID listen to some of his talks and took some of his advice, but this in no way means that he was his student
You regard Abu-Hanifah and say "(ra)", but didn't say that for the great teacher of himself, Al-Imam Ja'far Al-Sadiq(a.s)!! Shame on you.
-AbuHanifah is the most and first your Imams, and Imam Shafi'ii also was one of the thousands student of Al-Imam Mohammad Al-Baghir(a.s) and Sadigh(a.s).
The your Imams were more scholars or the Children of the Prophet(s.a)?? Shame on you.
Lol, this is your reply? Typical Shi'i raafidi. When you are refuted you quickly change topics, lmao! SHAME ON YOU!! You did exactly what that Shi'i priest did in the Sunni-Shi'i debate on ahadeeth, LOL!
..and wrote:Majlisi was the one that said THE QURAN IS CORRUPTED!! Typical Shia raafidi to follow his raafidi priests blindly even when they commit kufr!
One follower of Hanbali who told Allah(JALLAJALALOH) Is material(Na'udoBAllaho AstaghfiroAllah), this is Shirkkk and Kufrrr!
LMAO, Look you did the same thing as you did in the comment above! Change the topic when you are refuted. The debate is already over here, only the losers like you and the Christians do this when they know they are in trouble!

First of all, "One follower" - lol, one person, good job. Second, I doubt that. Third, show me your proof you filthy scum. I show you my proof but you never show proof! Typical son of mut'ah from raafidi priest!

You gonna keep following your priests and defending them even though they commit clear kufr?
..and wrote:Second, he is using taqiyya because this is encouraged in your religion. Sunnis are only allowed to use taqiyya when their life is in danger,
NEVER! These Taqiyah that you say, it's for Jews who instead "Lie" with "Taqiyah"! and use that allll the time! no doctrine of Shiite.
My dear, your WHOLE RELIGION was created by a JEW - Abdullah ibn Saba.

"No doctrine of shiite"

Those priests sure are doing a great job of deceiving you!
..and wrote:This is what is says in Al-kafi!!! You said you read it, but do you really?? Majlisi and al-majlisi and al-kulayni and his teacher all believed in this.
I disagree the that ahadith that say this. And believe those aren't Sahhih.
Are you saying that you disagree with the ahadeeth that say this or that you do not believe that they really say this?
..and wrote:Dunno what you mean here.
The scholars of Shi'ah say also:
?? We have Sahih ahadeeth about how the prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) did wudhu and prayed. There is also a Sahih hadeeth about Ali (may Allah be pleased with him) doing wudhu and saying "this is how the prophet (pbuh) did wudhu", So we following Ali (ra) more than you!!
Yes, they say many things. "Most" of them say the Quran has been tampered with b/c it doesn't fit their views. Shall we believe such people?
..and wrote:hahahahhaha, exposed
No prob
yeh, it was easy as pie to expose your lie. That is all you gotta do when a Shia claims such a thing. There are those who do really trace their lineage back to the prophet (peace be upon him) but like I said, that won't do them any good when they are committing shirk. And those that are traced back, have an actual 'tree' which traces their family line.
..and wrote:BUT it IS shirk if you call on those who CANNOT help you, such as the DEAD or someone halfway across the world and you are saying "O, [name here]" - Not over phone but just saying it and trying to get help like that.
I told in the previous quotes about the Salaam of the daily say prays.
And i refuted this in the previous posts. Secondly, saying saying salaams is NOT the same as ASKING for HELP from OTHER THAN ALLAH (Subhana wa Ta'ala).

Anyways, saying "peace be upon you prophet" in the prayer is only allowed for the prophet (peace be upon him) because of the reaons I said before.
..and wrote:I see, also I agree that Mu'awiyah (..., Sunnis do not like or hate Yazid..
I say down with and La'natoAllah alayhim every against of the Prophet(s.a) and AhlulBayt(a.s).
everybody who be... (Sahabah, Ayesheh,...)
even my own forefather, AbuBakr...
We all Muslims agreed that.
La'natoAllah ala Nawasib, everyone who be...
Nasebies are wrose than Jews
Nawasib are the wrost.
Both those who curse and hate the people close to the prophet (peace be upon him) are worst!! Nasibis hate family of prophet (peace be upon him) and most shias hate closest friends and companions of prophet (peace be upon him)!

(not saying you, but *most* shias, and you cannot even deny this, this is a fact)

Sunnis love and respect both.

Also, are you saying that Abu Bakr and A'isha (ra both) were against the family of prophet (peace be upon him) (even though A'isha (ra) is his family), or that they were not against them?
..and wrote:...intention to kill him. In fact, he cried when he heard that Hussein (ra) had been killed.
LIE LIE LIE,
This is Just BLINDLY DOGMATIC FOLLOWER OF THE PARENTAL BELIEFS
No, I have not been taught this from my parents. I have learned it from research and praying to Allah (Azza wa Jal) to guide me to the straight path.

It is in authentic reports, only deviants would go such ways to deny that.
..and wrote:I didn't really support Saddam Hussein b/c it sometimes he did things that were good and especially around the beginning he was bad and was part of that Ba'ath socialist party. Some think he started getting good at the end, but Allahu Alam.
This is Just BLINDLY DOGMATIC FOLLOWER OF THE PARENTAL BELIEFS.
La'anatoAllah ala Saddam.
Check above comment.
..and wrote:Yes, the Shia of Kufa, your forefathers are the ones who betrayed, deserted and killed Hussein (ra).
YES.
Thank you for telling the truth.
..and wrote:Specifically an Irani Shia named Shimr is the one who personally killed Hussein (ra).
Shimbr Diljowshan, Irani????
The Muslims are brothers and sisters together, and no important Irani, Arab, Afghani, Tork, Lor, Baluch, Kord, and...
I know that... I was just pointing out that fact that it was an Irani shia who killed Hussein (ra).

..and wrote:That is why Shias beat themselves in that month that Hussein (ra) was killed because those Shia of Kufa started it because they were regretting what they had done.
YES.
but why there weren't any Sonnies among the 72 people of the army of Imam Hossain(a.s)??
but there were some Christians?
PBU real Christians who are very very very kind really.
Hussein (ra) himself, was a Sunni. He followed the Sunnah of the prophet (peace be upon him) just like we do. In those days, there were two types of Shia. Those who were political shia, meaning Sunnis who were followers of Hussein (ra) and were for him being the leader. Second, those Imami Shias, like you. The ones that believed that Allah (Azza wa Jal) specifically chose Ali (ra) and his progeny to be Imams over the world - this belief came from the early views of Abdullah Ibn Saba but then he later escalated them to be that Ali (ra) is Allah, nauthubillah.
..and wrote:Taliban is HELPING the Muslims and AGAINST the people invading and killing them there,
Yes, I like Taliban, specifically when watched the ...
I dunno if you're being sarcastic here or what...
..and wrote:Did you see how Ahmadinejad has such cozy relations with Israel? Now even "Hezbollah" turned bad and have treaties with Israel!!
ABSOLUTE LIE.
hizbullah ex-secretary general Subhi Tuffeily:


..and wrote:And all the dictators in the Arab countries are corrupted and best friends with America such as ones from Iran and Saudi Arabia. The only difference b/w the two is that SA shows it in public but Iran keeps it hidden
For Iran has been done 34years ago
By the great lord, Sayyed RuhoAllah Khomeini(r.a) and his followers[99% Iranian]
This is an example for "AlSabighoon" of Qor'an!
* Shame on Saudi Arabia that is the main Islamic country and is dictatorship yet.
also kill the people of Bahrain, and is slave of America.
Yes, I agree shame on the rulers of SA who are dogs to America. Shame on the rulers of Iran who are leading their blind people to shirk as well!

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LaIlahaIllAllah wrote:Christians say "O, God" too... along with "O Jesus" as Shias say "O Allah" along with "O Hussein/Ali". So you are still basically the same.
No! Christians just say "O' god" and their target is just "O' Jesus"
..and wrote:I say assalaamu ALA anNabiy. Not alayka,
Exposed another Bid'a again here!!!
..and wrote:Third, don't change the subject in your next reply and answer me about this shirk you do with graves, did you see those videos? Did you see that stuff? What your scholars said?
I answered you and told that I never pray to graves. The youtube filtered in my country. No, I didn't see.
..and wrote:and we do not go to the prophet's (peace be upon him) grave and ask him to help us, we ONLY ask ALLAH to help us!!
I don't deny that the Imams(a.s) are alive yet and see and hear,
But I myself never ask help except Allah(AZZAWAJALL).
..and wrote:The Quran - What Allah (Azza wa Jal) said, authentic Sunnah - what the prophet (sallAllahu alayhis wassalaam) did and said.
1- Imam Ali(a.s) said: "each one of the verses of Qor'an has up to 70 means" that this hadith is very logical.
2- How do you know which of the ahadith are authenticity!?
..and wrote:this is your reply? Typical Shi'i raafidi. When you are refuted you quickly change topics, lmao! ...!! You did exactly what that Shi'i priest did in the Sunni-Shi'i debate on ahadeeth,
- Because you misbehaved.
- Yes, I'm sorry! I ignorantly do that. But I'm never an arrogant and foolish person who when refuted then deny that and chang topic such as more Shi'ahs, Sonnies, Christians, and...
..and wrote:Typical son of mut'ah from raafidi priest!
If you misbehave I don't discuss with you.
..and wrote:You gonna keep following your priests and defending them even though they commit clear kufr?
I don't know any priests except someones of them, and just defend the truth.
..and wrote:Are you saying that you disagree with the ahadeeth that say this or that you do not believe that they really say this?
SOME AHADITH OF YOUR BOOKS AND OUR BOOKS ARE FALSE.
Probably these are the same them.
..and wrote:and most shias hate closest friends and companions of prophet (peace be upon him)!

(not saying you, but *most* shias, and you cannot even deny this, this is a fact)
How do you know that they were closest friends of the Prophet(s.a)??
Who killed Lady Fatimah(s.a), the daughter of the Prophet(s.a)??
You also agreed the hadith of "Kasa" and the ahadith that say "Al-Hassan" and "Al-Hossain" are the best youngs of the paradise,
but how they(a.s) had killed??
..and wrote:Sunnis love and respect both.
Also Christians love and respect everybody with every religions and beliefs
..and wrote:Hussein (ra) himself, was a Sunni. He followed the Sunnah of the prophet (peace be upon him) just like we do
The Imams(a.s) themselves, were Sunni. They followed the Sunnah of the prophet (peace be upon him) just like REAL SHI'AHS do
..and wrote:I dunno if you're being sarcastic here or what...
No! I clearly told.
There isn't "Sarcastic" in our doctrine.
Imam Moses Kadhim(a.s) said:
Nobody is our follower who uses "sarcantically" with talking his brother
And when I use that, say clearly so everyone understand that.
..and wrote:Yes, I agree shame on the rulers of SA who are dogs to America. Shame on the rulers of Iran who are leading their blind people to shirk as well!
I don't know who is doing which behaviours
But I'm a person who is trying for be a real follower of the Imams(a.s)[the same real Sonnah of the Prophet(s.a)] or the same real Shi'ah, and I absolute agreed:
Bada'
Imamah(12)
Taghiyah
Divinity
and more of the ahadith of Al-UsulAl-Kafi..

la kom dinakom wa li alddin.
we all Moslims should upgrade ourselves about
Lie, Arrogance, Blindly dogmatically following, jealously, and any sins and any goodness'
May Allah forgive all people who do that.(except Nasebies) O:)
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Yusef wrote:
LaIlahaIllAllah wrote:Christians say "O, God" too... along with "O Jesus" as Shias say "O Allah" along with "O Hussein/Ali". So you are still basically the same.
No! Christians just say "O' god" and their target is just "O' Jesus"
You are greatly mistaken here and are just speaking out of your butt!!!

They believe that Jesus is 1/3 of their god squad so sometimes they say O Jesus, sometimes O God either referring to Jesus or other 2.

You Shias have your own Trinity, even more like as Christians.
..and wrote:I say assalaamu ALA anNabiy. Not alayka,
Exposed another Bid'a again here!!!
{Ibn Mas`ood's statement, "We said: Peace be on the Prophet" clarifies that the Companions (radi Allaahu `anhum) used to say, "Peace be on you, O Prophet" in tashahhud while the Prophet (sallallaahu `alaihi wa sallam) was alive, but when he died, they ceased to do that, instead saying, "Peace be on the Prophet". Undoubtedly, this was with the endorsement of the Prophet (sallallaahu `alaihi wa sallam); this is supported by the fact that `Aa'ishah (radi Allaahu `anhaa) would similarly teach the tashahhud in prayer with "Peace be on the Prophet", as transmitted by Siraaj in his Musnad (9/1/2) & Mukhlis in al-Fawaa'id (11/54/1) with two saheeh isnaads from her.

Ibn Hajar says, "This addition shows clearly that they used to say 'Peace be on you, O Prophet', addressing him directly during his life, but when the Prophet (sallallaahu `alaihi wa sallam) died, they stopped addressing him and mentioned him in the third person instead, saying 'Peace be on the Prophet'." He also says in a different place, "Subki said in Sharh al-Minhaaj, after mentioning this narration from Abu `Awaanah only, 'If this is authentically-reported from the Companions, it proves that after his time, it is not compulsory to address the Prophet (sallallaahu `alaihi wa sallam) directly in the greeting of peace, so one says: Peace be on the Prophet.' (Ibn Hajar continues:) This is authentic without doubt (i.e. because it is established in Sahih al-Bukhaari ), and I have also found strong support for it:- `Abdur Razzaaq said: Ibn Juraij informed me: `Ataa' informed me that the Companions used to say 'Peace be on you, O Prophet' while the Prophet (sallallaahu `alaihi wa sallam) was alive, but after he died, they would say 'Peace be on the Prophet', and this is a saheeh isnaad. As for Sa`eed bin Mansoor's narration from Abu `Ubaidah bin `Abdullaah bin Mas`ood, who reported from his father that the Prophet (sallallaahu `alaihi wa sallam) taught them the tashahhud, and then he (`Abdullaah bin Mas`ood) said it (the tashahhud); Ibn `Abbaas said: We used to say 'Peace be on you, O Prophet' only while he was alive, to which Ibn Mas`ood replied, 'This is how we were taught, and this is how we teach it', it would appear that Ibn `Abbaas said this as a matter of discussion but Ibn Mas`ood did not accept. However, the narration of Abu Ma`mar (i.e. the narration of Bukhaari ) is more authentic, since Abu `Ubaidah did not hear (ahaadeeth) from his father, and furthermore, the isnaad up to Abu `Ubaidah is weak." (End of quote from Ibn Hajar)}

They used to say on you when he was there with them, after he died, was he in their presence?

Btw, you and I both know your whole religion is a bid'ah so don't gimmie this stuff!
..and wrote:Third, don't change the subject in your next reply and answer me about this shirk you do with graves, did you see those videos? Did you see that stuff? What your scholars said?
I answered you and told that I never pray to graves. The youtube filtered in my country. No, I didn't see.
O God. May He guide you because this will be way more difficult as the YouTube is blocked and the Sunnis over there are being killed by the week.

Also, I'm sorry I didn't mean only graves, but "dead people" in general. What about this shirk you do with dead people?

How are sites such as these unblocked in your country where you can get influences so much?

..and wrote:and we do not go to the prophet's (peace be upon him) grave and ask him to help us, we ONLY ask ALLAH to help us!!
I don't deny that the Imams(a.s) are alive yet and see and hear,
But I myself never ask help except Allah(AZZAWAJALL).
So you never said "Ya Ali Madad"? Also, you believe that they can see and hear everything? or just the stuff around their graves?
..and wrote:The Quran - What Allah (Azza wa Jal) said, authentic Sunnah - what the prophet (sallAllahu alayhis wassalaam) did and said.
1- Imam Ali(a.s) said: "each one of the verses of Qor'an has up to 70 means" that this hadith is very logical.
2- How do you know which of the ahadith are authenticity!?
By the Science of Hadeeth.

Looking at the text, comparing it to the prophet's biography (peace and blessings be upon him), looking at chain of narration - if there is even one narrator that is untrustworthy or had bad memory or something during the time he was supposed to have narrated this hadeeth, then the whole hadeeth is marked as weak and it cannot be used. There are very strict rules to this type of thing. Checking, the narrators' biographies as well, checking if they met one another in their lifetimes.

And Sunni books have most of the narrators details but Shia books don't really have much.

Also, for the conditions that the Shias set for a Sahih Hadeeth, there is NO hadith from Shia sources that matches these conditions.
..and wrote:this is your reply? Typical Shi'i raafidi. When you are refuted you quickly change topics, lmao! ...!! You did exactly what that Shi'i priest did in the Sunni-Shi'i debate on ahadeeth,
- Because you misbehaved.
- Yes, I'm sorry! I ignorantly do that. But I'm never an arrogant and foolish person who when refuted then deny that and chang topic such as more Shi'ahs, Sonnies, Christians, and...
How did I misbehave? I misbehaved by refuting you?
..and wrote:Typical son of mut'ah from raafidi priest!
If you misbehave I don't discuss with you.
Lol, don't then. I am tired of discussing with you cause you give me many lies.
..and wrote:Are you saying that you disagree with the ahadeeth that say this or that you do not believe that they really say this?
SOME AHADITH OF YOUR BOOKS AND OUR BOOKS ARE FALSE.
Probably these are the same them.
That wasn't the question. Obviously if a Sunni book contains a hadeeth that says Quran is 17000 verses I will know and declare to everyone that this is kufr and is false.

Are you willing to do the same with yours? Then say right here that, that Shia hadeeth which says Quran is 17000 verses is false and kufr to believe.
..and wrote:and most shias hate closest friends and companions of prophet (peace be upon him)!

(not saying you, but *most* shias, and you cannot even deny this, this is a fact)
How do you know that they were closest friends of the Prophet(s.a)??
Who killed Lady Fatimah(s.a), the daughter of the Prophet(s.a)??
You also agreed the hadith of "Kasa" and the ahadith that say "Al-Hassan" and "Al-Hossain" are the best youngs of the paradise,
but how they(a.s) had killed??
Yes, ofcourse they are best of youngs and leaders of youth in paradise.

Like I said before an Irani Shia killed Hussein.

Do you believe the ridiculous Shia story that Umar killed Fatimah? Do you??? This story makes Ali (ra) look like a coward!!!!!!!!!! Do you believe this???

Tell me if you do because I will take my time to write the whole refutation and prove that this story is false because you cannot watch YouTube videos.
..and wrote:Sunnis love and respect both.
Also Christians love and respect everybody with every religions and beliefs
Were we talking about religions and beliefs?

We were talking about the Sahaba and family of the prophet (peace be upon them all).

Sunnis love and respect both, do Christians love and respect both? No. Do Shias/rawaafidh love and respect both? No. Do Nawasib love and respect both? No.
..and wrote:Hussein (ra) himself, was a Sunni. He followed the Sunnah of the prophet (peace be upon him) just like we do
The Imams(a.s) themselves, were Sunni. They followed the Sunnah of the prophet (peace be upon him) just like REAL SHI'AHS do
Yes, that is correct they were Sunnis. Just like the real followers (shias) of the prophet (peace be upon him) do, which are the Sunnis.
..and wrote:I dunno if you're being sarcastic here or what...
No! I clearly told.
There isn't "Sarcastic" in our doctrine.
Imam Moses Kadhim(a.s) said:
Nobody is our follower who uses "sarcantically" with talking his brother
And when I use that, say clearly so everyone understand that.
Ok
..and wrote:Yes, I agree shame on the rulers of SA who are dogs to America. Shame on the rulers of Iran who are leading their blind people to shirk as well!
I don't know who is doing which behaviours
But I'm a person who is trying for be a real follower of the Imams(a.s)[the same real Sonnah of the Prophet(s.a)] or the same real Shi'ah, and I absolute agreed:
Bada'
Imamah(12)
Taghiyah
Divinity
and more of the ahadith of Al-UsulAl-Kafi..
If you were a real follower of the Imams, you would be a Sunni. And I mean ahl Sunnah wal Jumm'ah that are still up to this day called Sunnis.
la kom dinakom wa li alddin.
we all Moslims should upgrade ourselves about
Lie, Arrogance, Blindly dogmatically following, jealously, and any sins and any goodness'
May Allah forgive all people who do that.(except Nasebies) O:)
yea may Allah guide them all and forgive the Muslims who do that.

ameen.

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* I'm a person who isn't a real Muslim,
- But is trying to be a real follower of the Prophet(s.a) and the Imams(a.s) daily.

* I believe in the doctrine of Shi'ah, more than every religions and beliefs
- I absolutely believe in:
Bada', Imamat(the Twelver), Divinities(of Shi'ah), Mut'ah, Taqiyah, Al'aalam Zarr, Al-Imam Al-Mahdi(the twelfth Imam), and more than 99% of the ahadith of the great books of "Al-Usul Al-Kafi"
- I don't deny the rest 1% of the ahadith, and don't agree them..

* I never ask help except God(AzzaWaJall)
- That's no cause of whatching and reading and hearing the speechs of Sunnies, I was on this belief before.
And allways have told: "Ya Allah Madad"
- but I don't deny the Prophet(a.s) and Imams(a.s) are alive yet!

* I'm just a follower of the logic and wisdom
- My own logic and wisdom have told me that I should follow the doctrine of Shi'ah and that's the bestest.

* I never curse the Sahhabah,
- But curse everybody who God(AzzaWaJall) and the Prophets(a.s) and Imams(a.s) have cursed them(I don't know who are they)

* May God guide and forgive all sins of everybody who is clearing his own soul from all badness, jealously, lie, blindly dogmatically following, arrogance, bad talking, foolishness, lie and deception in the cover of politic, and...
OTHERWISE mightn't discover and understand the truthes!, might not understand the means of the aphorisms, ahadith, verses, chapters, and any sayings of others.

------- THE END.
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1- Sonnies say: "Al-ElmoQayb" is just with Allah!
But Shi'ahs say: Allah Gives that to one who Himself Wants!
But Shi'ahs never say the all of that!
* ...And [make him] a messenger to the Children of Israel, [who will say], 'Indeed I have come to you with a sign from your Lord in that I design for you from clay [that which is] like the form of a bird, then I breathe into it and it becomes a bird by permission of Allah . And I cure the blind and the leper, and I give life to the dead - by permission of Allah . And I inform you of what you eat and what you store in your houses. Indeed in that is a sign for you, if you are believers.[3:49]

2- Sonnies say: We believe in the Hadith Kasa; but it's just for Prophet Mohammad(s.a), Ali, Fatemah, Hasan, Hosain(a.s); but why you Shi'as believe in 12 Imams??
*...And peace be upon him the day he was born and the day he dies and the day he is raised alive.[19:15]
* Qor'an says this verse for Prophet Isa(a.s);
But that means it's not for other Prophets??


3- Sonnies say where of Qor'an has written about Imamat?
Shi'as answered where of Qor'an has written how is the Salat, Wodu, Al-Mahdi, and...??

4- Sonnies say why Shi'as ask help to the Prophet(a.s) and the Imams(a.s) who died?
Shi'as answered they are alive yet
I say according to Qor'an Prophet Jesus(a.s) is alive;
Well, you Sonnies ask help to him??

But I believe in the books of Shi'ah that say alive all of the Prophets and Imams(a.s) and also the martyrs(according to Qor'an)...
But I don't ask help to nobody(such as Christians and Shi'ahs) except God.
Because they are hidden like God!
So if I wana ask help to any hidden person, well, of course I ask help to God!

I hate foolish and false people of Shi'ahs who make hatred of the doctrine of Shi'ah..
I've a question to hypocrite Moslims:
- If the Imams(a.s) don't help to you, then you don't cry for them?
Foolish people of Shi'ah are the same hypocrite and businessmen who just cry for Imams(a.s) for ask help to them..
They hypocrites just go to the Imams' shrines just for ask help..
* I've another question:
- The Imams(a.s) have need to either your cry[hypocrisy]? Or have need to your behaviours??
* Yes, of course, you are such as the same Christians who pleased with their own sins because of the martyr of Jesus(a.s).. also you are doer any sins and think if cry(hypocricy) for Imams(a.s) and or go to their shrines, then God will forgive you...
You hypocrite Christians and Shi'ahs are more enemy than the enemies of Prophet Jesus and Imams(a.s).
You both are those who make hatred of any religions and you both are couse of convert Theists to atheists...

* The real Shi'ah and the real Sonnat are the same the law of Islam *
AllahomaAjjelLeWaliekAlFaraj
May Allah Let the Mahdi to arise
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