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Question about the Quran

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Salaam Alaikum,

This is a question to the Muslim posters on the forum. Can you please tell me what significance the Quran has for you in your faith? I know Islam teaches that God revealed it directly through the ArchAngel Gabriel to Muhammad.

Do you believe that it is 100% true and without any mistakes? I know that the Quran teaches there are no contradictions in it, would the same apply to other kinds of errors (ie scientific, historical, theological, etc)?

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Then do they not reflect upon the Qur'an? If it had been from [any] other than Allah , they would have found within it much contradiction.

If a mistake was found in the Quran that was not a contradiction, would it still be in your opinion the word of God?


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Hello,
I believe the Quran does not contain any mistakes .

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steps wrote: Hello,
I believe the Quran does not contain any mistakes .
Hi steps,

Thank you for your answer. Is this your personal view, or also the view of other Muslims?

If a mistake was found in the Quran, would it mean it is not from God? Or would you believe it is from God, but somewhere people made a few mistakes in writing it down?

Thanks.

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it is the believe of all Muslims .

The mistake would be the misunderstanding by the human himself , but the Quran does not contain one mistake .

Please write your misunderstanding about the Quran .

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steps wrote: it is the believe of all Muslims .

The mistake would be the misunderstanding by the human himself , but the Quran does not contain one mistake .

Please write your misunderstanding about the Quran .
Salaam Alaikum, and thank you for the response. I will start off by giving one example.

The Quran describes a prophet called Salih, who lived in the Thamud tribe. The Thamud did not worship God, and were disobedient. God sent Salih to warn them, then after they ignored him and murdered a she-camel that God sent, He killed them and left only Salih and those who followed him alive.

The story can be found in the following verses.

11:61-68 and 7:73-79 and 15:80-84.

The Quran teaches that Salih lived after Hud, and before Shuaib and Moses and other prophets.

The Quran makes sure to include that the Thamud would carve out homes in the mountains.

7:73, 74

To the Thamud people (We sent) Salih, one of their own brethren: He said: "O my people! worship Allah: ye have no other god but Him. Now hath come unto you a clear (Sign) from your Lord! This she-camel of Allah is a Sign unto you: So leave her to graze in Allah's earth, and let her come to no harm, or ye shall be seized with a grievous punishment.

"And remember how He made you inheritors after the 'Ad people and gave you habitations in the land: ye build for yourselves palaces and castles in (open) plains, and care out homes in the mountains; so bring to remembrance the benefits (ye have received) from Allah, and refrain from evil and mischief on the earth."

15:80-84


And verily, the dwellers of Al-Hijr (the rocky tract) denied the Messengers.
And We gave them Our Signs, but they were averse to them.

And they used to hew out dwellings from the mountains (feeling themselves) secure.
But As-Saihah (torment - awful cry etc.) overtook them in the early morning (of the fourth day of their promised punishment days).
And all that which they used to earn availed them not.


When Muhammad and his men were passing through the valley where the Thamud used to live, he ordered them to not enter the houses "but weepingly", and they quickly rode through the valley.

(5) Ibn Shihab reported, and he had been talking about the stony abodes of thamud, and he said: Salim b. 'Abdullah reported that 'Abdullah b. Umar said: We were passing along with Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) through the habitations of Hijr, and Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) said: Do not enter but weepingly the habitations of these persons who committed tyranny among themselves, lest the same calamity should fall upon you as it fell upon them. He then urged his mount to proceed quickly and pass through that valley hurriedly. (Book #042, Hadith #7104)

http://www.searchtruth.com/searchHad...earch_word=all

Muhammad forbade his men to drink the water from the wells of the people there, and only allowed them to drink from where the she-camel used to drink.


(6) Abdullah b. 'Umar reported that the people encamped along with Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) in the valley of Hijr, the habitations of thamud, and they quenched their thirst from the wells thereof and kneaded the flour with it. Thereupon Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) commanded that the water collected for drinking should be spilt and the flour should be given to the camels and commanded them that the water for drinking should be taken from that well where the she-camel (of Hadrat Salih) used to come. (Book #042, Hadith #7105)

http://www.searchtruth.com/searchHad...earch_word=all

The place is now a UNESCO site, and the pictures of the buildings testify to the accuracy of the Quran's description about the buildings being hewn out from rock.



Al-Hijr Archaeological Site (Madâin Sâlih) - UNESCO World Heritage Centre

However, the buildings are not homes, they were actually tombs. And what is worse, they were not built by the Thamud but by the Nabateans. They were built not before the time of Moses, but during the first century BC and the 1st century AD. During this time, the Nabateans built structures out of rock throughout their Kingdom.

Most of the monuments and inscriptions of the archaeological site of Al-Hijr date from the 1st century BCE and the 1st century CE. But the inscriptions in Lihyanite script and some recently discovered archaeological vestiges are evidence for human settlement as early as the 3rd or 2nd century BCE.
One-third of the tombs, which are amongst the largest, are clearly dated to between 0-75 CE.

The Hedjaz region was integrated into the Roman province of Arabia in 106 CE. A monumental Roman epigraph of 175-177 CE was recently discovered at Al- Hijr. The region then formed part of Roman history, and then Byzantine history, until the 7th century. In 356, the city of Hegra is again mentioned, as being led by a mayor of local origin, but it seems to have been very modest in size at that time.


Al-Hijr Archaeological Site (Madâin Sâlih) - UNESCO World Heritage Centre


2) The Nabataean city of Hegra or Al-Hijr was formed
around a central residential zone and its oasis. The
sandstone outcrops at various degrees of proximity
offered outstanding possibilities for rock-cut necropoles
or spaces, forming a remarkable site for the expression of
Nabataean monumental architecture.


http://whc.unesco.org/archive/adviso...ation/1293.pdf

According to the First International Conference for Urban Heritage in the Islamic countries, Al Hijr was settled by the Thamud and other people groups before the Nabateans, but the Nabateans were the only ones who built a city... they carved tombs out of rocks. There have been remains of prehistoric people discovered in some of the mountains as well as petroglyphs. The Lihyanites, Thamud and Minaites left inscriptions... however it was the Nabateans who carved buildings out of rock. They settled in the area around the 1st century BC and built a city.


Al-Hijr lies in northwest Saudi Arabia, between the cities of Medina and Tabuk, 22 kilometres north of the city of al-Ula. Remains of human occupation in the region go back to ancient times. The area has been a significant focus of human settlement over a long period, due to the abundance of factors supporting an early shift to a sedentary way of life. These include fertile land, the presence of sources of water and a strategic position with respect to the great centres of civilization in the ancient Near East. Prehistoric remains have been recorded at the top of some of the mountains which surround the site of Mada’in Salih. Moreover, many rock faces in the area are covered with petroglyphs, some of which are prehistoric.

According to several passages in the Qur’an, the site was already inhabited in the third millennium BC by the Thamudic tribes. Lihyanite, Minaic and Thamudic inscriptions which have been found on the site, are evidence for an occupation in the first millennium BC.

The Nabataeans probably settled in Mada’in Salih in the first century BC and were politically independent at least until the beginning of the second century AD

They are the only inhabitants of the site who left behind them the remains of a real city. The part of the city in which the people were living was surrounded by various necropolises, which contained monumental rock-cut tombs as well as ordinary pit tombs, while a specific area was devoted to sanctuaries. Water was provided by a dense network of wells.

During the Islamic period, al-Hijr was an important stop on the Syrian pilgrimage road. A citadel and a large reservoir were built for the pilgrims’ convenience. Finally, at the beginning of the 20th century, a railway station was constructed at Mada’in Salih on the so-called Hejaz railway, which linked Turkey to the city of Madina, also crossing Syria.

http://www.islamicurbanheritage.org.sa/ ... Saleh.aspx


The buildings that Muhammad and his men came across were not built by the Thamud before the time of Moses, but by the Nabateans who built it between the 1st century BC and 1st century AD. *

The Quran's claim that the buildings carved out of rock were made by the Thamud during the time of Salih is false.

*They were also tombs, not houses as Muhammad and the author of the Quran evidently believed

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Yet another Holy Book bites the dust.

It won't be long before secularism is all that's left standing. O:)
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Divine Insight wrote: Yet another Holy Book bites the dust.

It won't be long before secularism is all that's left standing. O:)
Define what you understand by the word "secularism".

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TG123 wrote:
Divine Insight wrote: Yet another Holy Book bites the dust.

It won't be long before secularism is all that's left standing. O:)
Define what you understand by the word "secularism".
Well one definition could certainly be a world view that does not require any Holy Books. ;)

Although I confess that there are spiritual philosophies that don't require Holy Books either. So I guess secularism wouldn't be all that's left standing.

You do have a good point there. :eyebrow:

As a witch I'd still be standing too. 8-)
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Divine Insight wrote:
TG123 wrote:
Divine Insight wrote: Yet another Holy Book bites the dust.

It won't be long before secularism is all that's left standing. O:)
Define what you understand by the word "secularism".
Well one definition could certainly be a world view that does not require any Holy Books. ;)

Although I confess that there are spiritual philosophies that don't require Holy Books either. So I guess secularism wouldn't be all that's left standing.

You do have a good point there. :eyebrow:

As a witch I'd still be standing too. 8-)
LOL this thread was actually meant to discuss the Quran with steps and other Muslims but while I wait for him to respond I will respond to you.

What makes you believe that a worldview that does not require any Holy Books would be a positive thing?

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Well , our new friend TG123 posted the same subject at this forum
http://www.christianforums.com/t7719867-4/#post62413572

but insha'a Allah it will end here :

it seems to me , that you are an expert about the Islamic faith . and being an expert is not a good thing because Allah set forth an example for a person knew the signs of Allah but this person insisted to follow his desires in the holy Quran :

7. The Heights [175. Relate to them the story of the man to whom We sent Our signs, but he passed them by: so Satan followed him up, and he went astray. ] .


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In the same Surah 11 Hud

[65. But they did ham-string her. So he said: "Enjoy yourselves in your homes for three days: (Then will be your ruin): (Behold) there a promise not to be belied!" ]

prophet Sahilh peace be upon him gave them a sign before the punishment of Allah : the first day their skin colors will change to yellow , and in the 2nd day it will change to red , and the 3rd day it will become black .

so when they saw the signs achieved they embalmed themselves waiting for the punishment for their evil deeds .

the holy Quran is wonderful , it explain the situation in one verse or in one word :
[67. The (mighty) Blast overtook the wrong-doers, and they lay prostrate in their homes before the morning,-]

In their homes : their homes became their tombs .

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http://whc.unesco.org/en/list/1293

The Archaeological Site of Al-Hijr (Madâin Sâlih) is the first World Heritage property to be inscribed in Saudi Arabia. Formerly known as Hegra it is the largest conserved site of the civilization of the Nabataeans south of Petra in Jordan. It features well-preserved monumental tombs with decorated facades dating from the 1st century BC to the 1st century AD. The site also features some 50 inscriptions of the pre-Nabataean period and some cave drawings. Al-Hijr bears a unique testimony to Nabataean civilization. With its 111 monumental tombs, 94 of which are decorated, and water wells, the site is an outstanding example of the Nabataeans’ architectural accomplishment and hydraulic expertise.

Also the people of prophet Shu'aib faced the same destiny [ their homes became their tombs ] , and they lived near the destroyed people of Thamud and after their era

[ 36. To the Madyan (people) (We sent) their brother Shu'aib. Then he said: "O my people! serve Allah, and fear the Last Day: nor commit evil on the earth, with intent to do mischief."37. But they rejected him: Then the mighty Blast seized them, and they lay prostrate in their homes by the morning.] Surah 29


They holy Quran gives us a great connection between the two neighbouring nations lived in different eras [ 95. As if they had never dwelt and flourished there! Ah! Behold! How the Madyan were removed (from sight) as were removed the Thamud!]Surah 11

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I am very sure that you read these verses and you understood them before asking me , and you know that I am keeping info about this subject for you .

There is huge differences between someone asks about Islam and someone tries to attack Islam.

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