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TG123 wrote:
Actually, He said this about the Pharisees. "Adulterous" would be a good word to describe Muhammad's men, who he gave permission to sleep with women who were not married to them (ie concubines). Some Old Testament prophets engaged in this sinful and shameful behaviour, and Muhammad allowed his men to continue it.
Before answering your post allow me to remind you :

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Or you can visit :
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catholic_sex_abuse_cases

Just to know the adulterous

No wonder why people still leaving christianity ? , and no wonder the appearance of atheism ?

---------------------------


Islam on slave girls/concubines :

[transported ] from : http://islamicresponse.blogspot.com/201 ... bines.html


It is true that a lot of people push this subject ‘under the rug’ and do not understand it or are sometimes ashamed of this concept. That is because, today’s society and behavior is absolutely different from the conditions prevalent 1500 years ago at the time of Revelation of the Quran. There is no place on earth where this concept is practiced today, thus to really understand the concept in its entirety, we must try to imagine the times of the Revelation of the Glorious Quran.


Since time immemorial, slavery was an accepted practice; thus it was not Islam that started this practice, but rather Islam was the first system to inculcate the freedom of slaves and take steps to make them equal citizens of society. Slavery was abolished in modern society only a couple of centuries ago, and was openly practiced in almost all parts of the civilized world even until the early 1900s. But Islam made it a virtue to free slaves, and inculcate them into society as equal citizens, almost 1500 years ago

The prophet said regarding the rights of slaves:

Your servants and your slaves are your brothers. Anyone who has slaves should give them from what he eats and wears. He should not charge them with work beyond their capabilities. If you must set them to hard work, in any case I advise you to help them.

Source: Bukhari, Iman, 22; Adab, 44; Muslim, Iman, 38–40; Abu Dawud, Adab, 124

Ali reported that the last words of the Prophet, may Allah bless him and grant him peace, were: "The prayer! The prayer! Fear Allah concerning your slaves ! "

Source: Al-Adab al-Mufrad Al-Bukhari , Nr. 158.

• Jabir ibn 'Abdullah said, "The Prophet, may Allah bless him and grant him peace, advised that slaves should be well-treated. He said, 'Feed them from what you eat and clothe them from what you wear. Do not punish what Allah has created.' "

Source: Al-Adab al-Mufrad Al-Bukhari , Nr. 188.

• Sallam ibn 'Amr reported from one of the Companions of the Prophet, may Allah bless him and grant him peace, said, "Your slaves are your brothers, so treat him well. Ask for their help in what is too much for you and help them in what is too much for them."

Source: Al-Adab al-Mufrad Al-Bukhari , Nr. 190.

• Abu Hurayra reported that the Prophet, may Allah bless him and grant him peace, said, "The slave has his food and clothing. Do not burden a slave with work which he is incapable of doing."

Source: Al-Adab al-Mufrad Al-Bukhari , Nr. 192.

Not one of you should [ when introducing someone ] say ‘This is my slave’ , ‘This is my concubine’. He should call them ‘my daughter’ or ‘my son’ or ‘my brother’.

Source: Ibn Hanbal, Musnad, 2 ,4


For this reason ‘Umar and his servant took it in turns to ride on the camel from Madina to Jerusalem on their journey to take control of Masjid al-Aqsa. While he was the head of the state, ‘Uthman had his servant pull his own ears in front of the people since he had pulled his. Abu Dharr, applying the hadith literally, made his servant wear one half of his suit while he himself wore the other half. From these instances, it was being demonstrated to succeeding generations of Muslims, and a pattern of conduct established, that a slave is fully a human being, not different from other people in his need for respect and dignity and justice.

"The masters were obliged not to put slaves under hardship; slaves were not to be tortured, abused or treated unjustly. They could marry among “themselves with their master's permission - or with freemen or women ! They could appear as witnesses and participate with free men in all “affairs. Many of them were appointed as governors, commanders of army and administrators. In the eyes of Islam, a pious slave has precedence over “an impious free man." Source: Al-Tabataba'i, Tafsir ( vol.16, pp. 338-358 )

The Prophet, had stipulated in his "last pilgrimage" speech:

"And your slaves ! see that you feed them such food as you eat yourselves and dress them what you yourself wear. And if they commit a “mistake which you are not inclined to forgive then sell them, for they are the servants of Allah and are not to be tormented! "

Source: Ibn Sa'd, op. cit., vol. II:1, p. 133

"Serve God, and join not any partners with Him ; and do good to parents, kinsfolk, orphans, those in need, neighbours who are near, neighbours “who are strangers, the Companion by your side, the way-farer (ye meet), And what your right hands possess : for God loveth not the arrogant, the “vainglorious" Surah An Nisa, verse 36

The phrase "What your right hands possess" refers to one’s slaves (male and female). Allah swt ordains the kind treatment of slaves in the same verse where He commands man to worship Him and to treat his parents, relations and neighbours generously, and this signifies the importance of this ruling.

What were the rights of concubines?

The status was similar to that of wife. The children were exactly like the other children from the person’s legally wedded wife. They were to be given exactly the same rights as his other children. The children of the slave girl would inherit the property exactly as the other children. There was absolutely no difference amongst the children. And once any slave girl bore a child, she could not be sold to anybody else and thus became a permanent member of the household.

Then you will probably ask how is this any different from the modern days concept of a mistress/prostitution/adultery?

There is a huge difference between the slave girls of those times and the system of prostitution which is so prevalent as a disease in today’s society.

The slave girl was a social issue of the times, which if not solved by Islam would give rise to adultery and prostitution. In prostitution, the woman sells here services for a fee to anyone who is willing to pay. The slave girl was taken into a household as a full member.

In prostitution, the woman has sexual relationships with many men. The slave girl would have sexual relations only with the person she was given to; very similar to the husband-wife relationship, the only difference being that the wife came into the house through a marriage contract, and the slave girl was allotted to the person by the state.

Prostitution is a result of illegal lust, and is a huge sin in the eyes of Allah.

The allocation of slave girls was a issue of the times to envelope the woman taken as slaves in a war into the Islamic society. Prostitution and adultery do not have any responsibility attached to it. The man- woman have a one-off relationship and depart. The slave girls were a responsibility of the person, who spent on them, gave them a place to live, fed them, clothed them, and raised their children as his children.

The children from adultery and prostitution are regarded as born out of wedlock and grow up without the name and without the shadow of a father. The children of the slave girls were known as the children of the person, grew up with his other children, and had exactly the same rights and inheritance as the other offspring. The system of slave girls was accepted and respected by the Islamic society of the times. The slave girl was treated like his wife, and the children from these slave girls were treated like their children by society. No religion, no state, no moral society accepts and respects the institutions of prostitution and adultery. This is a disease of society and every moral society has tried to eradicate this disease with little success.

Despite this, it was not simply a case of forcing someone into having sex to satisfy your desires.

Below are three English translations to the Verse where Allah commands the Muslim men to not force their slave women into sex.

The following translations were taken from http://mama.stg.brown.edu/webs/quran_br ... easy.shtml

Translation: Yusufali:

"Let those who find not the wherewithal for marriage keep themselves chaste, until God gives them means out of His grace. And if any of your slaves ask for a deed in writing (to enable them to earn their freedom for a certain sum), give them such a deed if ye know any good in them: yea, give them something yourselves out of the means which God has given to you. But force not your maids to prostitution when they desire chastity, in order that ye may make a gain in the goods of this life. But if anyone compels them, yet, after such compulsion, is God, Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful (to them), (The Noble Quran, 24:33)"

Translation: Pickthall:

"And let those who cannot find a match keep chaste till Allah give them independence by His grace. And such of your slaves as seek a writing (of emancipation), write it for them if ye are aware of aught of good in them, and bestow upon them of the wealth of Allah which He hath bestowed upon you. Force not your slave-girls to whoredom that ye may seek enjoyment of the life of the world, if they would preserve their chastity. And if one force them, then (unto them), after their compulsion, lo! Allah will be Forgiving, Merciful. (The Noble Quran, 24:33)"

Translation: Shakir:

"And let those who do not find the means to marry keep chaste until Allah makes them free from want out of His grace. And (as for) those who ask for a writing from among those whom your right hands possess, give them the writing if you know any good in them, and give them of the wealth of Allah which He has given you; and do not compel your slave girls to prostitution, when they desire to keep chaste, in order to seek the frail good of this world's life; and whoever compels them, then surely after their compulsion Allah is Forgiving, Merciful. (The Noble Quran, 24:33)"

In all three translations, we clearly see that if the slave woman desires to keep chaste, then her Muslim master must not compel her into sex. It might sound odd to us today, but pagans back then were used to having sex with and raping their slave girls, even the ones who were married:

Narrated Jabir ibn Abdullah: "Musaykah, a slave-girl of some Ansari, came and said: My master forces me to commit fornication. Thereupon the following verse was revealed: "But force not your maids to prostitution (when they desire chastity). (24:33)" (Translation of Sunan Abu Dawud, Divorce (Kitab Al-Talaq), Book 12, Number 2304)"

So to women back then, it was something normal for a married slave woman to sleep with her master. It was something normal in the society at that time.

Allah Almighty in the Noble Quran not only allows for the slave man or woman to earn their freedom from their Muslim master, and receive money from their Muslim master to help them start their free life, but also commands the Muslim men to not compel their slave women into sex.
Prophet Muhammad peace be upon him also said:

Narrated Abu Musa Al-Ash'ari: "The Prophet said, "Give food to the hungry, pay a visit to the sick and release (set free) the one in captivity (by paying his ransom)." (Translation of Sahih Bukhari, Food, Meals, Volume 7, Book 65, Number 286)"

Islam came to liberate all slaves and to end the Judeo-Christian and Pagan slavery that was practiced before Islam. When Allah Almighty made lawful for the Muslim men to have sex with their slave women, He did it to keep the Islamic society back then during Islam's weak, partial and venerable times under control.

Also, if any compulsion was made unto the slave woman, then Allah Almighty will add more mercy and forgiveness unto her in the Day of Judgement. Below is the commentary on this exact section and point in Noble Verse 24:33 by Minister (Sheikh) Abdullah Yusuf Ali; may Allah Almighty rest his soul:

"The poor unfortunate girls, who are victims of such a nefarious trade (i.e., slave trade), will yet find mercy from Allah, whose bounties extend to the lowest of His creatures."

When Islam was reveled to Prophet Muhammad, slavery was a worldwide common social phenomenon; it was much older than Islam. Slavery was deeply rooted in every society to the extent that it was impossible to imagine a civilized society without slaves.

In spite of this social fact, Islam was the first religion to recognize slavery as a social illness that needed to be addressed. Since slavery was deeply rooted in the society, Islam did not abolish it at once. Rather, Islam treated slavery in the same manner it treated other social illnesses. Islam followed the same methodology of gradual elimination in dealing with this social disease as it did with other social illnesses, for example: the prohibition of alcohol in three steps.

Concerning having slave women, we would like to let you know that it happens to be a practice necessitated by the condition in which early Muslims found themselves vis-à-vis non-Muslims, as both parties engaged in wars. Slave women or milk al-yameen are referred to in the Qur'an as “Those whom your right hand possess� or “ma malakat aymanukum�; they are those taken as captives during conquests and subsequently became slaves, or those who were descendants of slaves.

Thus, it was a war custom in the past to take men and women as captives and then turn them into slaves. Islam did not initiate it, rather, it was something in practice long ago before the advent of Islam. And when Islam came, it tried to eradicate this practice, bit by bit. So it first restricted it to the reciprocal practice of war, in the sense that Muslims took war captives just as the enemies did with Muslims.

But as it aimed at putting an end to such issue, Islam laid down rules which would eventually lead to eradicating the practice. So it allowed Muslims to have intercourse with slave women taken as captives of just and legitimate wars. In so doing, the woman would automatically become free if she got pregnant. What's more, her child would also become free.

Not only that, Islam also ordered a Muslim to treat the slave woman in every respect as if she were his wife. She should be well fed, clothed and given due protection. In the family environment, she had the opportunity to learn about Islam and was free to accept it or reject it. She also had the opportunity to earn her freedom for she could be ransomed.

In the light of the above-mentioned facts, and the nature of the question posed by people, it's clear that some people misunderstand the wisdom behind the permissibility of having female slaves and think that it is meant to unleash men’s desires and give them more enjoyment. Never! That is not the point! It is, rather, means of freeing slaves; and this is clarified above in the fact that if a master got a female slave pregnant, then he could neither sell her nor give her away as a present. And if he died, she would not be considered part of his property. She'd receive her freedom and her baby would also be free.

But, we have to stress that this case should not be confused with that of female servants or maids, for they are free and not slaves. Therefore, it is forbidden to engage in sexual relations with them except through an Islamic marriage.

Slavery has been abolished by international conventions, and goes in line with aims and objectives of Islam, as it has called for centuries ago.

As for marrying slaves, it is something permissible under two conditions: first, if one is unable to pay the dowry of a free woman. Second, if there is fear of committing adultery if one doesn’t get married. This is clarified by the following verse: “And whose is not able to afford to marry free, believing women, let them marry from the believing maids whom your right hands possess. This is for him among you who feareth to commit sin. But to have patience would be better for you.� (An-Nisaa’: 25)

This verse shows that Muslim men should abstain from illicit relations and seek enjoyment through marriage to free women or through their female slaves.

In conclusion, Allah has forbidden certain types of behavior and permitted other kinds of behavior as a safeguard to the individual and to the society. Allah has forbidden fornication and adultery. However, in the case of captives whom your right hands posses, it's something necessitated by the special circumstances which were created when the Muslims were at war.

This is not a practice for today which allows men to take extra sexual partners in addition to his wife, or a loophole as you put it. You have the same responsibilty to the slave girl as you would to the wife, with the same inheritence rights for the children born out of such relations hence it is more of a burden than a loophole to escape the 'treating wives equally' concept. Regardless of that, it is not a concept which is in practice today or encouraged for today. It was something specifically utilised and designed for 1500 years ago where the practice was already widespread. All Islam did was to bring structure to what was already in existence, and eventually aim to remove it all together. One may say it should be banned straight away, why the long drawn out process.

The reality is however human nature does not allow for such action. People gradually get use to change, and the Quran itself was revealed over a long period of time for this reason so people could gradually get use to the injunctions and guidelines and thus adapt better. That is exactly the case with this issue, rules were bought in to slowly eradicate the practice and give rights to women who without Islam would have nothing equivalent to rely upon

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Re: Own hands possess / concubines

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steps wrote:
TG123 wrote:
Actually, He said this about the Pharisees. "Adulterous" would be a good word to describe Muhammad's men, who he gave permission to sleep with women who were not married to them (ie concubines). Some Old Testament prophets engaged in this sinful and shameful behaviour, and Muhammad allowed his men to continue it.
Before answering your post allow me to remind you :

The Center of all religious secrecies,crimes, and scandals



Or you can visit :
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catholic_sex_abuse_cases

Just to know the adulterous

No wonder why people still leaving christianity ? , and no wonder the appearance of atheism ?

---------------------------


Islam on slave girls/concubines :

[transported ] from : http://islamicresponse.blogspot.com/201 ... bines.html


It is true that a lot of people push this subject ‘under the rug’ and do not understand it or are sometimes ashamed of this concept. That is because, today’s society and behavior is absolutely different from the conditions prevalent 1500 years ago at the time of Revelation of the Quran. There is no place on earth where this concept is practiced today, thus to really understand the concept in its entirety, we must try to imagine the times of the Revelation of the Glorious Quran.


Since time immemorial, slavery was an accepted practice; thus it was not Islam that started this practice, but rather Islam was the first system to inculcate the freedom of slaves and take steps to make them equal citizens of society. Slavery was abolished in modern society only a couple of centuries ago, and was openly practiced in almost all parts of the civilized world even until the early 1900s. But Islam made it a virtue to free slaves, and inculcate them into society as equal citizens, almost 1500 years ago

The prophet said regarding the rights of slaves:

Your servants and your slaves are your brothers. Anyone who has slaves should give them from what he eats and wears. He should not charge them with work beyond their capabilities. If you must set them to hard work, in any case I advise you to help them.

Source: Bukhari, Iman, 22; Adab, 44; Muslim, Iman, 38–40; Abu Dawud, Adab, 124

Ali reported that the last words of the Prophet, may Allah bless him and grant him peace, were: "The prayer! The prayer! Fear Allah concerning your slaves ! "

Source: Al-Adab al-Mufrad Al-Bukhari , Nr. 158.

• Jabir ibn 'Abdullah said, "The Prophet, may Allah bless him and grant him peace, advised that slaves should be well-treated. He said, 'Feed them from what you eat and clothe them from what you wear. Do not punish what Allah has created.' "

Source: Al-Adab al-Mufrad Al-Bukhari , Nr. 188.

• Sallam ibn 'Amr reported from one of the Companions of the Prophet, may Allah bless him and grant him peace, said, "Your slaves are your brothers, so treat him well. Ask for their help in what is too much for you and help them in what is too much for them."

Source: Al-Adab al-Mufrad Al-Bukhari , Nr. 190.

• Abu Hurayra reported that the Prophet, may Allah bless him and grant him peace, said, "The slave has his food and clothing. Do not burden a slave with work which he is incapable of doing."

Source: Al-Adab al-Mufrad Al-Bukhari , Nr. 192.

Not one of you should [ when introducing someone ] say ‘This is my slave’ , ‘This is my concubine’. He should call them ‘my daughter’ or ‘my son’ or ‘my brother’.

Source: Ibn Hanbal, Musnad, 2 ,4


For this reason ‘Umar and his servant took it in turns to ride on the camel from Madina to Jerusalem on their journey to take control of Masjid al-Aqsa. While he was the head of the state, ‘Uthman had his servant pull his own ears in front of the people since he had pulled his. Abu Dharr, applying the hadith literally, made his servant wear one half of his suit while he himself wore the other half. From these instances, it was being demonstrated to succeeding generations of Muslims, and a pattern of conduct established, that a slave is fully a human being, not different from other people in his need for respect and dignity and justice.

"The masters were obliged not to put slaves under hardship; slaves were not to be tortured, abused or treated unjustly. They could marry among “themselves with their master's permission - or with freemen or women ! They could appear as witnesses and participate with free men in all “affairs. Many of them were appointed as governors, commanders of army and administrators. In the eyes of Islam, a pious slave has precedence over “an impious free man." Source: Al-Tabataba'i, Tafsir ( vol.16, pp. 338-358 )

The Prophet, had stipulated in his "last pilgrimage" speech:

"And your slaves ! see that you feed them such food as you eat yourselves and dress them what you yourself wear. And if they commit a “mistake which you are not inclined to forgive then sell them, for they are the servants of Allah and are not to be tormented! "

Source: Ibn Sa'd, op. cit., vol. II:1, p. 133

"Serve God, and join not any partners with Him ; and do good to parents, kinsfolk, orphans, those in need, neighbours who are near, neighbours “who are strangers, the Companion by your side, the way-farer (ye meet), And what your right hands possess : for God loveth not the arrogant, the “vainglorious" Surah An Nisa, verse 36

The phrase "What your right hands possess" refers to one’s slaves (male and female). Allah swt ordains the kind treatment of slaves in the same verse where He commands man to worship Him and to treat his parents, relations and neighbours generously, and this signifies the importance of this ruling.

What were the rights of concubines?

The status was similar to that of wife. The children were exactly like the other children from the person’s legally wedded wife. They were to be given exactly the same rights as his other children. The children of the slave girl would inherit the property exactly as the other children. There was absolutely no difference amongst the children. And once any slave girl bore a child, she could not be sold to anybody else and thus became a permanent member of the household.

Then you will probably ask how is this any different from the modern days concept of a mistress/prostitution/adultery?

There is a huge difference between the slave girls of those times and the system of prostitution which is so prevalent as a disease in today’s society.

The slave girl was a social issue of the times, which if not solved by Islam would give rise to adultery and prostitution. In prostitution, the woman sells here services for a fee to anyone who is willing to pay. The slave girl was taken into a household as a full member.

In prostitution, the woman has sexual relationships with many men. The slave girl would have sexual relations only with the person she was given to; very similar to the husband-wife relationship, the only difference being that the wife came into the house through a marriage contract, and the slave girl was allotted to the person by the state.

Prostitution is a result of illegal lust, and is a huge sin in the eyes of Allah.

The allocation of slave girls was a issue of the times to envelope the woman taken as slaves in a war into the Islamic society. Prostitution and adultery do not have any responsibility attached to it. The man- woman have a one-off relationship and depart. The slave girls were a responsibility of the person, who spent on them, gave them a place to live, fed them, clothed them, and raised their children as his children.

The children from adultery and prostitution are regarded as born out of wedlock and grow up without the name and without the shadow of a father. The children of the slave girls were known as the children of the person, grew up with his other children, and had exactly the same rights and inheritance as the other offspring. The system of slave girls was accepted and respected by the Islamic society of the times. The slave girl was treated like his wife, and the children from these slave girls were treated like their children by society. No religion, no state, no moral society accepts and respects the institutions of prostitution and adultery. This is a disease of society and every moral society has tried to eradicate this disease with little success.

Despite this, it was not simply a case of forcing someone into having sex to satisfy your desires.

Below are three English translations to the Verse where Allah commands the Muslim men to not force their slave women into sex.

The following translations were taken from http://mama.stg.brown.edu/webs/quran_br ... easy.shtml

Translation: Yusufali:

"Let those who find not the wherewithal for marriage keep themselves chaste, until God gives them means out of His grace. And if any of your slaves ask for a deed in writing (to enable them to earn their freedom for a certain sum), give them such a deed if ye know any good in them: yea, give them something yourselves out of the means which God has given to you. But force not your maids to prostitution when they desire chastity, in order that ye may make a gain in the goods of this life. But if anyone compels them, yet, after such compulsion, is God, Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful (to them), (The Noble Quran, 24:33)"

Translation: Pickthall:

"And let those who cannot find a match keep chaste till Allah give them independence by His grace. And such of your slaves as seek a writing (of emancipation), write it for them if ye are aware of aught of good in them, and bestow upon them of the wealth of Allah which He hath bestowed upon you. Force not your slave-girls to whoredom that ye may seek enjoyment of the life of the world, if they would preserve their chastity. And if one force them, then (unto them), after their compulsion, lo! Allah will be Forgiving, Merciful. (The Noble Quran, 24:33)"

Translation: Shakir:

"And let those who do not find the means to marry keep chaste until Allah makes them free from want out of His grace. And (as for) those who ask for a writing from among those whom your right hands possess, give them the writing if you know any good in them, and give them of the wealth of Allah which He has given you; and do not compel your slave girls to prostitution, when they desire to keep chaste, in order to seek the frail good of this world's life; and whoever compels them, then surely after their compulsion Allah is Forgiving, Merciful. (The Noble Quran, 24:33)"

In all three translations, we clearly see that if the slave woman desires to keep chaste, then her Muslim master must not compel her into sex. It might sound odd to us today, but pagans back then were used to having sex with and raping their slave girls, even the ones who were married:

Narrated Jabir ibn Abdullah: "Musaykah, a slave-girl of some Ansari, came and said: My master forces me to commit fornication. Thereupon the following verse was revealed: "But force not your maids to prostitution (when they desire chastity). (24:33)" (Translation of Sunan Abu Dawud, Divorce (Kitab Al-Talaq), Book 12, Number 2304)"

So to women back then, it was something normal for a married slave woman to sleep with her master. It was something normal in the society at that time.

Allah Almighty in the Noble Quran not only allows for the slave man or woman to earn their freedom from their Muslim master, and receive money from their Muslim master to help them start their free life, but also commands the Muslim men to not compel their slave women into sex.
Prophet Muhammad peace be upon him also said:

Narrated Abu Musa Al-Ash'ari: "The Prophet said, "Give food to the hungry, pay a visit to the sick and release (set free) the one in captivity (by paying his ransom)." (Translation of Sahih Bukhari, Food, Meals, Volume 7, Book 65, Number 286)"

Islam came to liberate all slaves and to end the Judeo-Christian and Pagan slavery that was practiced before Islam. When Allah Almighty made lawful for the Muslim men to have sex with their slave women, He did it to keep the Islamic society back then during Islam's weak, partial and venerable times under control.

Also, if any compulsion was made unto the slave woman, then Allah Almighty will add more mercy and forgiveness unto her in the Day of Judgement. Below is the commentary on this exact section and point in Noble Verse 24:33 by Minister (Sheikh) Abdullah Yusuf Ali; may Allah Almighty rest his soul:

"The poor unfortunate girls, who are victims of such a nefarious trade (i.e., slave trade), will yet find mercy from Allah, whose bounties extend to the lowest of His creatures."

When Islam was reveled to Prophet Muhammad, slavery was a worldwide common social phenomenon; it was much older than Islam. Slavery was deeply rooted in every society to the extent that it was impossible to imagine a civilized society without slaves.

In spite of this social fact, Islam was the first religion to recognize slavery as a social illness that needed to be addressed. Since slavery was deeply rooted in the society, Islam did not abolish it at once. Rather, Islam treated slavery in the same manner it treated other social illnesses. Islam followed the same methodology of gradual elimination in dealing with this social disease as it did with other social illnesses, for example: the prohibition of alcohol in three steps.

Concerning having slave women, we would like to let you know that it happens to be a practice necessitated by the condition in which early Muslims found themselves vis-à-vis non-Muslims, as both parties engaged in wars. Slave women or milk al-yameen are referred to in the Qur'an as “Those whom your right hand possess� or “ma malakat aymanukum�; they are those taken as captives during conquests and subsequently became slaves, or those who were descendants of slaves.

Thus, it was a war custom in the past to take men and women as captives and then turn them into slaves. Islam did not initiate it, rather, it was something in practice long ago before the advent of Islam. And when Islam came, it tried to eradicate this practice, bit by bit. So it first restricted it to the reciprocal practice of war, in the sense that Muslims took war captives just as the enemies did with Muslims.

But as it aimed at putting an end to such issue, Islam laid down rules which would eventually lead to eradicating the practice. So it allowed Muslims to have intercourse with slave women taken as captives of just and legitimate wars. In so doing, the woman would automatically become free if she got pregnant. What's more, her child would also become free.

Not only that, Islam also ordered a Muslim to treat the slave woman in every respect as if she were his wife. She should be well fed, clothed and given due protection. In the family environment, she had the opportunity to learn about Islam and was free to accept it or reject it. She also had the opportunity to earn her freedom for she could be ransomed.

In the light of the above-mentioned facts, and the nature of the question posed by people, it's clear that some people misunderstand the wisdom behind the permissibility of having female slaves and think that it is meant to unleash men’s desires and give them more enjoyment. Never! That is not the point! It is, rather, means of freeing slaves; and this is clarified above in the fact that if a master got a female slave pregnant, then he could neither sell her nor give her away as a present. And if he died, she would not be considered part of his property. She'd receive her freedom and her baby would also be free.

But, we have to stress that this case should not be confused with that of female servants or maids, for they are free and not slaves. Therefore, it is forbidden to engage in sexual relations with them except through an Islamic marriage.

Slavery has been abolished by international conventions, and goes in line with aims and objectives of Islam, as it has called for centuries ago.

As for marrying slaves, it is something permissible under two conditions: first, if one is unable to pay the dowry of a free woman. Second, if there is fear of committing adultery if one doesn’t get married. This is clarified by the following verse: “And whose is not able to afford to marry free, believing women, let them marry from the believing maids whom your right hands possess. This is for him among you who feareth to commit sin. But to have patience would be better for you.� (An-Nisaa’: 25)

This verse shows that Muslim men should abstain from illicit relations and seek enjoyment through marriage to free women or through their female slaves.

In conclusion, Allah has forbidden certain types of behavior and permitted other kinds of behavior as a safeguard to the individual and to the society. Allah has forbidden fornication and adultery. However, in the case of captives whom your right hands posses, it's something necessitated by the special circumstances which were created when the Muslims were at war.

This is not a practice for today which allows men to take extra sexual partners in addition to his wife, or a loophole as you put it. You have the same responsibilty to the slave girl as you would to the wife, with the same inheritence rights for the children born out of such relations hence it is more of a burden than a loophole to escape the 'treating wives equally' concept. Regardless of that, it is not a concept which is in practice today or encouraged for today. It was something specifically utilised and designed for 1500 years ago where the practice was already widespread. All Islam did was to bring structure to what was already in existence, and eventually aim to remove it all together. One may say it should be banned straight away, why the long drawn out process.

The reality is however human nature does not allow for such action. People gradually get use to change, and the Quran itself was revealed over a long period of time for this reason so people could gradually get use to the injunctions and guidelines and thus adapt better. That is exactly the case with this issue, rules were bought in to slowly eradicate the practice and give rights to women who without Islam would have nothing equivalent to rely upon
I never alleged that the concubines were forced into having sex. I am saying they were engaged in adultery- because sex outside of marriage is adultery.

Also, pointing out the perversions of some Catholic is ironic, given that sexual abuse and pedophilia happens among Muslims too.

Imam charged with sexually abusing boys and girls


Child Abuse in mosques- lifting the veil of secrecy
http://www.heraldscotland.com/child-abu ... y-1.827823


For every pedophile priest, I can find you a pedophile Imam.

Unlike you, I won't stoop as low as to blame the sexual perversions of some on a whole religion.

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TG123 wrote:
I never alleged that the concubines were forced into having sex. I am saying they were engaged in adultery- because sex outside of marriage is adultery.
your claim against the bible claim , and against the belief of Jesus : [ think not I came to destroy the Laws or the prophets ] .

And the prophets have their own hands possess .

So according to your false claim :
Ibrahim committed adultery with Hager , and Ishmael was illegal son of Ibrahim .
And According to your false claim :
The grandfather of Jesus " David " committed adultery . so the lineage of Jesus contains adultery crimes .

So you have to choose :
1- Jesus was lying . he destroyed the Laws and the prophets .
2- The prophets committed adultery .
3- You do not nothing . and your background about the prophets is Zero .

Farther more : who said the concubines are forced into having sex ?
The topic is saying : the religion of Islam is protecting the concubines from having sex with more than one man " her Master " . and the master has to choose one of three choices :
1- To keep her for himself only .
2- To free her , then marry her . and her dowry is her freedom .
3- To free her , and gives her a dowry to marry her .

TG123 wrote: Also, pointing out the perversions of some Catholic is ironic, given that sexual abuse and pedophilia happens among Muslims too.

Imam charged with sexually abusing boys and girls


Child Abuse in mosques- lifting the veil of secrecy
http://www.heraldscotland.com/child-abu ... y-1.827823


For every pedophile priest, I can find you a pedophile Imam.

Unlike you, I won't stoop as low as to blame the sexual perversions of some on a whole religion.
I am not saying the Muslims are angels , yes there are Muslims hide themselves behind the religion , but if you compared them to the priests and the Christians they are nothing .
Also your comparison is wrong . because :
2- The Imams of the Masjed are not essential to be Islamic scholars . so when you compare between the Islamic scholars and the Christianity theological . the ratio is Zero . contrarily most of the Islamic scholars are ascetic . and they avoid meeting stranger females face to face .
3- Look at the evil environment in the west , most the western societies are decayed [ the adultery , the naked women , the night clubs , ……………. ] . the Muslims are facing a hard test for their belief , and may Allah helps them and protects them , the prophet said : [ the time will come on my Ummah , who holds his religion like who holds in his hand a ember ]

4- The church scandals are worldwide problem , the announced cases 5400. It means 5400 Christians . and maybe Pope himself is accused

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I never alleged that the concubines were forced into having sex. I am saying they were engaged in adultery- because sex outside of marriage is adultery.
steps wrote: your claim against the bible claim , and against the belief of Jesus : [ think not I came to destroy the Laws or the prophets ] .
No, but He came to fully reveal the Law. People before His coming had only a limited understanding.

God allowed the adultery of concubinage at some point, like He allowed genocide, capital punishment and divorce. People were not yet ready for the full Truth, so He allowed them to do some things He does not allow now.
steps wrote: And the prophets have their own hands possess .

So according to your false claim :
Ibrahim committed adultery with Hager , and Ishmael was illegal son of Ibrahim .
And According to your false claim :
The grandfather of Jesus " David " committed adultery . so the lineage of Jesus contains adultery crimes .
Yes to both claims.
steps wrote: So you have to choose :
1- Jesus was lying . he destroyed the Laws and the prophets .
No, He fully revealed the Law.
steps wrote: 2- The prophets committed adultery .
Yes, some of them did.
steps wrote: 3- You do not nothing . and your background about the prophets is Zero .
I do need to read my Bible better, but my background is not zero.
steps wrote: Farther more : who said the concubines are forced into having sex ?
I never said they were.

Here is what I wrote:

[b]I never alleged that the concubines were forced into having sex. I am saying they were engaged in adultery- because sex outside of marriage is adultery
[/b]

You do a great job at throwing insults and accusations. If your reading comprehension was as impressive, it would be quite something.
steps wrote: The topic is saying : the religion of Islam is protecting the concubines from having sex with more than one man " her Master " . and the master has to choose one of three choices :
1- To keep her for himself only .
2- To free her , then marry her . and her dowry is her freedom .
3- To free her , and gives her a dowry to marry her .
Why not just free her?
TG123 wrote: Also, pointing out the perversions of some Catholic is ironic, given that sexual abuse and pedophilia happens among Muslims too.

Imam charged with sexually abusing boys and girls


Child Abuse in mosques- lifting the veil of secrecy
http://www.heraldscotland.com/child-abu ... y-1.827823


For every pedophile priest, I can find you a pedophile Imam.

Unlike you, I won't stoop as low as to blame the sexual perversions of some on a whole religion.
steps wrote: I am not saying the Muslims are angels , yes there are Muslims hide themselves behind the religion , but if you compared them to the priests and the Christians they are nothing .
Why? Do you think rape from a Muslim pedophile is better for a child than rape from a Catholic one?
steps wrote: Also your comparison is wrong . because :
2- The Imams of the Masjed are not essential to be Islamic scholars . so when you compare between the Islamic scholars and the Christianity theological . the ratio is Zero . contrarily most of the Islamic scholars are ascetic . and they avoid meeting stranger females face to face .
I hate to break it to you, but I am a Protestant, not a Catholic. Not every pastor is a scholar either. Most aren't.
steps wrote: 3- Look at the evil environment in the west , most the western societies are decayed [ the adultery , the naked women , the night clubs , ……………. ] . the Muslims are facing a hard test for their belief , and may Allah helps them and protects them , the prophet said : [ the time will come on my Ummah , who holds his religion like who holds in his hand a ember ]
There is a lot of sexual immorality in the West, that is because people are not following Christianity, not because of Christianity. There is a lot of spousal abuse in the Muslim world. This is despite of, not because of, Islam.
steps wrote: 4- The church scandals are worldwide problem , the announced cases 5400. It means 5400 Christians . and maybe Pope himself is accused
Suicide bombings are a worldwide problem also. The same is true of domestic violence and honour killings. If you want to, you can blame them on Islam like some people blame pedophilia on Christianity. I think that is a low and despicable accusation to make, and shows that the accuser is getting desperate.

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As long as you accused Allah and his prophets by false . then I will stop here .. and nothing will be added .

[18. And who does more wrong than he who invents a lie against Allah. Such will be brought before their Lord, and the witnesses will say, "These are the ones who lied against their Lord!" No doubt! the curse of Allah is on the Zalimun(polytheists, wrong-doers, oppressors, etc.) .]

[60. And on the Day of Resurrection you will see those who lied against Allah (i.e. attributed to Him sons, partners, etc.) their faces will be black. Is there not in Hell an abode for the arrogant ones?]

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steps wrote: As long as you accused Allah and his prophets by false . then I will stop here .. and nothing will be added .

[18. And who does more wrong than he who invents a lie against Allah. Such will be brought before their Lord, and the witnesses will say, "These are the ones who lied against their Lord!" No doubt! the curse of Allah is on the Zalimun(polytheists, wrong-doers, oppressors, etc.) .]

[60. And on the Day of Resurrection you will see those who lied against Allah (i.e. attributed to Him sons, partners, etc.) their faces will be black. Is there not in Hell an abode for the arrogant ones?]
How did I lie against Allah?

Islam lies against Him by claiming He is the author of the Quran and the one who sent Muhammad.

You have not been able to disprove that

- the Nabataeans and not the Thamud were the ones who built the stone structures at Madain Saleh, structures that were 200 BC- AD 200 tombs that the Quran's author mistook for houses built before Moses
- Most of the world's Jews and other monotheists do not fall into the categories that Muhammad created in his description of the Day of Judgement
- there is no forbidden partition or barrier between fresh and salty waters that meet
- the coccyx decays, as does every other bone in the human body

The Quran and the hadiths lie against Allah by claiming He is their originator.

Allah gave us salvation through the cross, on which He suffered for us as Jesus Christ. May you find salvation in Him. Ameen.

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I do not have any problem to debate you .
But when it reached the level to accuse Allah by allowing Adultery . and his prophets by committing adultery .
Then the discussions must be finished .
Because you will know that this person will pass all limits and will say anything to justify and to defend your weak argument .
Our religion is forbidding this act :

[135. O ye who believe! stand out firmly for justice, as witnesses to Allah, even as against yourselves, or your parents, or your kin, and whether it be (against) rich or poor: for Allah can best protect both. Follow not the lusts (of your hearts), lest ye swerve, and if ye distort (justice) or decline to do justice, verily Allah is well- acquainted with all that ye do.]

Of course the followers of Idols inside churches will never reach this value . [ a fact ]

Even outside the board of religions , in the human relations and the morals impose on the person not to speak lies .
These things are not in my dictionary , and I avoid anyone deals by it .

I do not blame you you earned this knowledge from the bible [ the book of lies about God and his prophets ].

and Jesus did not lie when he said : an evil generation .

if this was the situation of the generation during the time of Jesus himself , what would be the situation of the generations after 2000 years from Jesus .

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steps wrote: I do not have any problem to debate you .
You certainly have problems being able to disprove my points.

You have no problems however throwing insults at me and making false accusations, or trying to insert things into the Bible that are not there.
steps wrote: But when it reached the level to accuse Allah by allowing Adultery . and his prophets by committing adultery .
Then the discussions must be finished .
Because you will know that this person will pass all limits and will say anything to justify and to defend your weak argument .
Our religion is forbidding this act :

[135. O ye who believe! stand out firmly for justice, as witnesses to Allah, even as against yourselves, or your parents, or your kin, and whether it be (against) rich or poor: for Allah can best protect both. Follow not the lusts (of your hearts), lest ye swerve, and if ye distort (justice) or decline to do justice, verily Allah is well- acquainted with all that ye do.]
The Bible states that the prophets of the Old Testament did many sins, I am sharing my faith as you are sharing yours. I am not saying God is adulterous or evil, I am saying He for a short while allowed these things to happen because He knew how weak people were.
steps wrote: Of course the followers of Idols inside churches will never reach this value . [ a fact ]
There are no idols in my church that we follow. You've never been to my church, but continue to make false accusations and speak of things you have no knowledge of.
steps wrote: Even outside the board of religions , in the human relations and the morals impose on the person not to speak lies .
These things are not in my dictionary , and I avoid anyone deals by it .
I am not speaking lies, I am sharing what the Bible teaches. If you believe it is full of lies, that is your problem.

Hearing you say "those things are not in my dictionary" in reference to lies is quite amusing, because you have made false accusations against me quite a few times. So clearly, you have no problem lying. I won't blame this on Islam though, the blame lies with you. What I can do is forgive you and pray for you.
steps wrote: I do not blame you you earned this knowledge from the bible [ the book of lies about God and his prophets ].
If you do not blame me, why do you say you are not willing to discuss with me anymore? Are you going to end the discussions, or aren't you?

You are now getting your threats mixed up also. Show some consistency.
steps wrote: and Jesus did not lie when he said : an evil generation .
He certainly didn't.
steps wrote: if this was the situation of the generation during the time of Jesus himself , what would be the situation of the generations after 2000 years from Jesus .
Probably even worse. It was also bad some 6 centuries after Jesus, when a certain man claims that Gabriel handed him a book, a text that states He didn't die for us on the cross, and denies His divinity. In addition to making these colossal mistakes, the author also made mistakes about history and science both in its pages, and in the teachings of the one who thought he was God's prophet.

I will continue praying for you that you come to the Truth.

Allah Akhbar! His Love endures forever.

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You must have common announcement from the Christians that the bible is not corrupted . then it is allowed to use the scriptures as a fact against Allah and his prophets .
Imagine this :
According to the corrupted book " the bible " God allowed Adultery .
According to the corrupted book " the bible " some prophets committed Adultery .
Means :
1- There are unbelievers [ atheists and ….. ] never committed Adultery and never drink Alcohol . and they are better than the believers [ prophets of God ] .
2- God has no knowledge about his creation , he does not has any wisdom . because he chosen untrusted people to carry his message . but they were the first persons that broke the promise of God .
3- As long as the prophets were untrusted , so we should not blame the other people for doing greater sins than Adultery .
4- God does not deserve the worship . because he is unable to control his chosen people [ prophets ] . and he was unable to direct them to the correct path .
5- God does not deserve the worship . he is unjust because he destroyed the Land of Lut . but did not punish Lut and his daughters because of greater crime " incest " .

But in NT , the disaster became bigger , and the gap expanded .

The Sexuality of Jesus?
http://kspark.kaist.ac.kr/Jesus/Jesus%20Sexuality.htm

Also from the secret gospel of Mark :

23 "And they went to Bethany and there was a woman whose brother had died.
24 And coming up to him, she prostrated herself before Jesus and said to him, 'Son of David,
25 have mercy on me.' But the disciples rebuked her. And becoming angry,
26 Jesus went with her to the garden where the tomb was. And
01 immediately a great sound was heard from the tomb, and Jesus, going toward it
02 rolled away the stone from the entrance to the tomb. And going in immediately where
03 the young man was, he stretched out a hand and raised him up, holding
04 his hand. Then, the man looked at him and loved him and
05 he began to call him to his side, that he might be with him. And going from
06 the tomb, they went to the house of the young man. For he was rich. And after
07 six days, Jesus instructed him. And when it was late, the young man went
08 to him. He had put a linen around his naked body, and
09 he remained with him through that night. For Jesus taught him
10 the mystery of the kingdom of God. After he got up from there,
11 he turned to the region of the Jordan.
http://www.historian.net/secmark.htm

so when a Jew or a Christian invites people to his religion :
he will say accept my God that allowed adultery . or accept my sexual Jesus .

Therefore this book [ Bible ] is no longer trusted source from Allah , because the hands of the Jews and the Christians corrupted it .

BUT in Islam , we never say this about Allah [ God ] and we never believe in this about Allah or any of his prophets . even the true [ Torah and Gospel ] never mentioned that prophets commited Adultery and Allah never allowed adultery :

[28. When they do aught that is shameful, they say: "We found our fathers doing so"; and "(Allah) commanded us thus": Say: "Nay, Allah never commands what is shameful: do ye say of Allah what ye know not?"29. Say: "My Lord hath commanded justice; and that ye set your whole selves (to Him) at every time and place of prayer, and call upon Him, making your devotion sincere as in His sight: such as He created you in the beginning, so shall ye return."30. Some He hath guided: Others have (by their choice) deserved the loss of their way; in that they took the evil ones, in preference to Allah, for their friends and protectors, and think that they receive guidance.] Surah 7


The prophets from Noah to Mohammad are the greatest teachers and the most religious persons , Satan has no control on them to lead them to the wrongful ways or doing evil deeds .

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steps wrote: As long as you accused Allah and his prophets by false . then I will stop here .. and nothing will be added .

[18. And who does more wrong than he who invents a lie against Allah. Such will be brought before their Lord, and the witnesses will say, "These are the ones who lied against their Lord!" No doubt! the curse of Allah is on the Zalimun(polytheists, wrong-doers, oppressors, etc.) .]

[60. And on the Day of Resurrection you will see those who lied against Allah (i.e. attributed to Him sons, partners, etc.) their faces will be black. Is there not in Hell an abode for the arrogant ones?]
How did I lie against Allah?

Islam lies against Him by claiming He is the author of the Quran and the one who sent Muhammad.

You have not been able to disprove that

- the Nabataeans and not the Thamud were the ones who built the stone structures at Madain Saleh, structures that were 200 BC- AD 200 tombs that the Quran's author mistook for houses built before Moses
- Most of the world's Jews and other monotheists do not fall into the categories that Muhammad created in his description of the Day of Judgement
- there is no forbidden partition or barrier between fresh and salty waters that meet
- the coccyx decays, as does every other bone in the human body

The Quran and the hadiths lie against Allah by claiming He is their originator.

Allah gave us salvation through the cross, on which He suffered for us as Jesus Christ. May you find salvation in Him. Ameen.
Pharaoh did not believe in Moses not because Moses was not a true prophet , or Moses did not convince him , or the Miracles of Allah that Supported Moses were not true from Allah . Just because Pharaoh did not want to believe , an arrogant person refused the truth .
And prophet Moses did his mission perfectly . Allah says about Pharaoh and his nation : [13. But when Our Signs came to them, that should have opened their eyes, they said: "This is sorcery manifest!" 14. And they rejected those Signs in iniquity and arrogance, though their souls were convinced thereof: so see what was the end of those who acted corruptly! ] Surah 27


Also the Jews did not believe in Jesus not because Jesus was not a true prophet , or Jesus did not convince them , or the Miracles of Allah that Supported Jesus were not true from Allah . Just because the Jews do not want to believe in him , an arrogant people refused the truth .
And prophet Jesus did his mission perfectly .

And you are on the side of Pharaoh and the Jews . you do not believe in prophet Mohammad not because Mohammad was not a true prophet , or Mohammad did not convince you , or the Miracles of Allah that Supported Mohammad were not true from Allah . Just because you do not want to believe in him , an arrogant person refuses the truth . prophet Mohammad did his mission perfectly .

[112. Likewise did We make for every Messenger an enemy,- evil ones among men and jinns, inspiring each other with flowery discourses by way of deception. If thy Lord had so planned, they would not have done it: so leave them and their inventions alone. ]

you will continue saying : No , No , No .. Steps you did not disprove the mistakes of the Quran .

Is it mean that you are saying the truth ? certainly NOT .

Because :

1- If the Quran contains mistakes or against the modern sciences then the Muslims will ignore the holy Quran , and become like the Christians that ignored the bible to follow the atheism .

2- Many former Christians and former atheists who became Muslims are proving the Quran is correct . they have a good background about the false paths and they knew after studying the Quran is the true path .

3-The consequences of the war by media against Islam has been reversed against the enemies of Islam , All praise be to Allah the brotherhood of Islam is increasing and expanding .

You are only one face of the multi faces against Islam [ the enemies ] . even if I give you money or good promises you will never change your feud and enmity toward Islam. Allah predestined this .
He says to his prophet : [63. And He has united their (i.e. believers') hearts. If you had spent all that is in the earth, you could not have united their hearts, but Allah has united them. Certainly He is All-Mighty, All-Wise.]

Who united the hearts of the believers is Allah the sender of the true prophet Mohammad .

[119. Lo! You are the ones who love them but they love you not, and you believe in all the Scriptures [i.e. you believe in the Taurat (Torah) and the Injeel (Gospel), while they disbelieve in your Book, the Qur'an]. And when they meet you, they say, "We believe". But when they are alone, they bite the tips of their fingers at you in rage. Say: "Perish in your rage. Certainly, Allah knows what is in the breasts (all the secrets)." ]

the funny part : when you say : I will pray for you :
1- to the father .
or
2- to holy spirit .
or
3- to the son .
or
4- to the mother .
or
5- to the cross .

maybe if you ask one of them the others will refuse your prayer .
my opinion to give each on of them his own prayers , and each pagan god his own ceremony .

[ 14. If ye invoke them, they will not listen to your call, and if they were to listen, they cannot answer your (prayer). On the Day of Judgment they will reject your "Partnership". and none, (O man!) can tell thee (the Truth) like the One Who is acquainted with all things.] Surah35


all praise be to Allah that I am a muslim

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