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Is Quran the word of God ?!

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Many guys reached to point they need to debate the existence of Quran as a true revelation .


I giving a chance for everybody to do his best in criticizing Quran and I Hope he or she read enough about it

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mms20102 wrote: Many guys reached to point they need to debate the existence of Quran as a true revelation .


I giving a chance for everybody to do his best in criticizing Quran and I Hope he or she read enough about it

Good Luck :D
Sure, undoubtedly Quran is Word of One-True-God. Not only that Quran claims it several times in Quran but gives reason to it:

[2:1] In the name of Allah, the Gracious, the Merciful.
[2:2] Alif Lam Mim.
[2:3] This is a perfect* Book; there is no doubt in it; it is a guidance for the righteous,
[2:4] Who believe in the unseen and observe Prayer, and spend out of what We have provided for them;
[2:5] And who believe in that which has been revealed to thee, and that which was revealed before thee, and they have firm faith in what is yet to come.
[2:6] It is they who follow the guidance of their Lord and it is they who shall prosper.
https://www.alislam.org/quran/search2/s ... r.php?ch=2
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It is a book with sophisticated, mature, practical and refined systems that are in harmony with nature/universe.

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paarsurrey1 wrote:
[2:3] This is a perfect* Book; there is no doubt in it; it is a guidance for the righteous,

It is a book with sophisticated, mature, practical and refined systems that are in harmony with nature/universe.
You have just quoted the most unsophisticated of statements: "Hi there, here's a perfect book for you! " Do you honestly imagine God, creator of the two moons of Mars, maker of helium, saying such a trivial thing, like a third class advert for a third class film?

Until proven otherwise, the Koran is the flawed recollections of a trader called Muhammad. By labelling his outpourings divine, he amassed a great army and the army amassed lots of gold, which he generously distributed, winning more followers .... and Allah of the Koran was born in a "perfect book" that recommends disobedient wives be beaten.

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I don't believe that is a fair comment. What kind of a book one imagines the Creator of two moons would have written be like? Please let us have the glimpses of such a book. Right, please?

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paarsurrey1 wrote:
mms20102 wrote: Many guys reached to point they need to debate the existence of Quran as a true revelation .


I giving a chance for everybody to do his best in criticizing Quran and I Hope he or she read enough about it

Good Luck :D
Sure, undoubtedly Quran is Word of One-True-God. Not only that Quran claims it several times in Quran but gives reason to it:

[2:1] In the name of Allah, the Gracious, the Merciful.
[2:2] Alif Lam Mim.
[2:3] This is a perfect* Book; there is no doubt in it; it is a guidance for the righteous,
[2:4] Who believe in the unseen and observe Prayer, and spend out of what We have provided for them;
[2:5] And who believe in that which has been revealed to thee, and that which was revealed before thee, and they have firm faith in what is yet to come.
[2:6] It is they who follow the guidance of their Lord and it is they who shall prosper.
https://www.alislam.org/quran/search2/s ... r.php?ch=2
*the

It is a book with sophisticated, mature, practical and refined systems that are in harmony with nature/universe.
I add further.
Quran is that Recitation/Book that was required to be given as per the prayer in the opening chapter and perfectly fulfills those ideals mentioned in it:

[1:1] In the name of Allah, the Gracious, the Merciful.
[1:2] All praise belongs to Allah, Lord of all the worlds,
[1:3] The Gracious, the Merciful,
[1:4] Master of the Day of Judgment.
[1:5] Thee alone do we worship and Thee alone do we implore for help.
[1:6] Guide us in the right path —
[1:7] The path of those on whom Thou hast bestowed Thy blessings,
those who have not incurred Thy displeasure, and those who have not gone astray.
https://www.alislam.org/quran/search2/s ... r.php?ch=1

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paarsurrey1 wrote:
[1:1] In the name of Allah, the Gracious, the Merciful.
[1:2] All praise belongs to Allah, Lord of all the worlds,
[1:3] The Gracious, the Merciful,
[1:4] Master of the Day of Judgment.
[1:5] Thee alone do we worship and Thee alone do we implore for help.
[1:6] Guide us in the right path —
[1:7] The path of those on whom Thou hast bestowed Thy blessings,
those who have not incurred Thy displeasure, and those who have not gone astray.
https://www.alislam.org/quran/search2/s ... r.php?ch=1

In many ways this is primitive and embarrassing. Calling some invisible personality nice, happy, joyous, beautiful, funny, sorrowful, magnanimous, patient, well-educated, polite, clean....with perfect vision and hearing is just nonsense.

We guide ourselves in the right path through 21st century life but unfortunately some Muslims want to send us to Allah rather sooner than we'd like, since Allah is great, whatever that means. If we brushed Allah aside, and the Quran, and got down to understanding each other and being patient with each other the world would be better.

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[1:1] In the name of Allah, the Gracious, the Merciful.
[1:2] All praise belongs to Allah, Lord of all the worlds,

Believing in One-True-God whose one attribute is Lord of all the Worlds motivates us that all human beings are equal and have the same human rights as other have and we must respect one another , help one another, understand one another to make this world a better place of living.

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paarsurrey1 wrote: Is Quran the word of God ?!

[1:1] In the name of Allah, the Gracious, the Merciful.
[1:2] All praise belongs to Allah, Lord of all the worlds,

Believing in One-True-God whose one attribute is Lord of all the Worlds motivates us that all human beings are equal and have the same human rights as other have and we must respect one another , help one another, understand one another to make this world a better place of living.

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It is obvious you are a good person, paarsurrey and would remain good regardless of religion or none. Those who have no God can help others and love others and do good in the world for the sake of other people. Despite what you say we have people shouting Allahu Akbar after they kill people. I don't see Allah doing anything about this apparent blasphemy. Centuries ago people were burned in God's name. God causes great distress. Your God doesn't, but that's because of your nice personality not his.

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Pazuzu bin Hanbi wrote: Tradition has it as the exact words of god, but of course there are passages which sound distinctly... human. It's difficult to imagine a god saying them. E.g.

"Shall I then seek a judge other than Allah?" (6:114)

English translations of this passage have "[Say]" at the start of the verse, but the command to 'say' is not there in the original Arabic at all. Those are the words of allah itself... asking if it should seek a judge other than allah. Hmmm...
Tradition has it as the exact words of god
There are internal signs as well as the external signs that convince one to the truth that Quran (the Recitation) is neither written by Muhammad nor authored by him but it is sent down from One-True-God and has reached us pristine and secure in its original form in Arabic language as the exact words of God yet of course there is no compulsion for those who disbelieve to take it as such.
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paarsurrey1 wrote:

There are internal signs as well as the external signs that convince one to the truth that Quran (the Recitation) is neither written by Muhammad nor authored by him but it is sent down from One-True-God and has reached us pristine and secure in its original form in Arabic language as the exact words of God yet of course there is no compulsion for those who disbelieve to take it as such.

How on earth do we determine "external" and "internal" signs that prove God's signature? The only way we can believe that God bothered about some place in the Middle East, with its wars and caravan raids, is if we WANT to believe. Then nothing stops us. And of course we can find "signs". The young Muhammad undoubtedly spoke with Jews and Christians and learned a lot, retaining much imperfectly for his later effusions. This is absolutely reasonable and makes far more sense than the fable that he chatted with some divinity.

As I said a few times, it would be a very strange God who ordered human males to beat their wives. It would NOT be strange for Muhammad so to think. It is ridiculous to think heaven has green couches. It was not ridiculous for Muhammad so to think. And who but a thirsty Arab would put an oasis in heaven - plenty of water for the camels. The whole thing is absurdity piled on absurdity. However, billions DO believe the absurd and Muslims are not alone in this. Catholics believe Jesus is magically produced from bread and wine. Man's ability to swallow absurdities as truths is quite miraculous, is it not? One should concede, as did Tertullian, that it is absurd - but one believes all the same. Reason does not come into it, nor "signs".

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How on earth do we determine "external" and "internal" signs that prove God's signature?
Not difficult to know. Attributes of One-True-God mentioned in Quran that one has read in Quran are illustrated in Quran itself* where these have been mentioned and demonstrated in the nature** as Absolutes. Everything that belongs to "relativity" is a part of the attribute that is "Absolute" and identifies as one of His signatures, if positive.
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* here this is an internal sign in "Word of God".
**as an external sign in "Work of God".

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