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A Guide To Catholic Creed and Doctrine

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Here's a guide to what we Catholics believe:

1) The church is not an ideological church. The churches positions on issues are driven from Scripture and Sacred Tradition, and the church takes both conservative and liberals positions. We, as a church, don't align ourselves with one particular philosophy

2) We do not worship Mary, we honor her as her son did. We do not worship Saints, we revere their holy lifestyle and try to model our own lives after them. We do believe in the real presence of Jesus Christ in Communion, and we do believe that Jesus Christ is our savior who died for our sins.

3) We believe that the Bible is our primary source of truth, and we devote substantiale amounts of time to studying God's word. Our traditions in mass are taken from the Gospels, however we also recognize that God has provided means of attaining truth from other outlets, not only the Bible.

4) We are not a rash and impulsive people. The changes that the Church as undergone have taken long periods of time with vaticans and bishops and cardinals called to debate and vote on changes. We are also a people who love traditions and rituals, and we implement many traditions that have been passed on throughout the centuries in our worship.

5) We are a universal people, and language does not pose a problem for us. Our worship is so uniform that a French catholic can come to a Middle Eastern Catholic church and understand the mass even if it's in a different language.

6) We are a church and a people who have failed many, many times. We are an imperfect and broken church that is responsible for alot of.....stuff.....in the past and present. But we do make strong efforts to reform our behavior and right any wrongs we have committed.

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Good thread. I like it when catholics get their thinking caps on. A festival of distinctions and nuances.
Thanks for the reminder about absorption or participation in the mystical body.
Not the same, but sort of has a ring of hinduism about it IMO. Good stuff.

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WinePusher wrote:One doctrine that Catholics used to profess was known as "Ex Eccelsia Nova Solis" which translates into salvation in the church alone (I think).

This is not the Catholic position anymore though.
That is just not true. The Church still professes that there is no salvation outside of Her. She is just re-thinking where "outside" is.

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pax wrote:
WinePusher wrote:One doctrine that Catholics used to profess was known as "Ex Eccelsia Nova Solis" which translates into salvation in the church alone (I think).

This is not the Catholic position anymore though.
That is just not true. The Church still professes that there is no salvation outside of Her. She is just re-thinking where "outside" is.
And what "her" is.
It's more "catholic" now, broad and universal.

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Slopeshoulder wrote:
pax wrote:
WinePusher wrote:One doctrine that Catholics used to profess was known as "Ex Eccelsia Nova Solis" which translates into salvation in the church alone (I think).

This is not the Catholic position anymore though.
That is just not true. The Church still professes that there is no salvation outside of Her. She is just re-thinking where "outside" is.
And what "her" is.
It's more "catholic" now, broad and universal.
That was defined by Pope Pius XII in Mystici Corporis Christi, par. 13.

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[Replying to post 2 by Lux]

Here's what the catechism teaches:

"Outside the Church there is no salvation"

846 How are we to understand this affirmation, often repeated by the Church Fathers?335 Re-formulated positively, it means that all salvation comes from Christ the Head through the Church which is his Body:

Basing itself on Scripture and Tradition, the Council teaches that the Church, a pilgrim now on earth, is necessary for salvation: the one Christ is the mediator and the way of salvation; he is present to us in his body which is the Church. He himself explicitly asserted the necessity of faith and Baptism, and thereby affirmed at the same time the necessity of the Church which men enter through Baptism as through a door. Hence they could not be saved who, knowing that the Catholic Church was founded as necessary by God through Christ, would refuse either to enter it or to remain in it.336
847 This affirmation is not aimed at those who, through no fault of their own, do not know Christ and his Church:

Those who, through no fault of their own, do not know the Gospel of Christ or his Church, but who nevertheless seek God with a sincere heart, and, moved by grace, try in their actions to do his will as they know it through the dictates of their conscience - those too may achieve eternal salvation.337
848 "Although in ways known to himself God can lead those who, through no fault of their own, are ignorant of the Gospel, to that faith without which it is impossible to please him, the Church still has the obligation and also the sacred right to evangelize all men."338

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[Replying to post 3 by WinePusher]

I think you mean: extra Ecclesiam nulla salus - outside the Church there is no salvation

What you wrote, Ex Eccelsia Nova Solis" appears to say: from the new church of the Sun, which presumably refers to a non-Christian set-up.

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