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Celebacy and the Priests

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Recently, there are some indications that this pope is actually willing to discuss the whole 'Celebacy' issue on the priesthood. This topic has been pretty much off the table for a long long time.

http://news.yahoo.com/catholic-priest-c ... 22134.html


While I don't expect this to change anytime soon, the fact that it is open for discussion at all is a major shift in attitude. I would like to know from people who are Catholic in specific what their thoughts on the subject it.
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To use the common metaphor, the priest is married to the Church. Now this analogy falls short in many ways but is always theologically correct. The priest is not actually married to the Church. However, it is necessary that the priest conforms himself to Christ so strongly that he is able to act in his person. This is known as 'Persona Christe.' Now the church is seen as the Bride of Christ. I think it is clear how devoted Christ was to his church, seeing as he was crucified for it(thus giving himself entirely to it in service). The priest is to imitate Christ in this way, giving himself entirely to the Church. The Church teaches that both sex and marriage require a major 'gift of self.' Therefore the priest is to love the Church so strongly and profoundly that it creates a bond which is exclusive. It is also extremely practical because being a priest does require 100% of your time and talent. There is always more the priest could be doing. Also, Christ was a virgin, so this is yet another to conform yourself to him.

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Re: Celebacy and the Priests

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[Replying to post 21 by Hughes]

As you suggest there are some good practical reasons for priestly celibacy - it enables the priest to give more of his time and talent to his flock. However I think suggesting that the metaphor that the priest is married to the Church is theologically correct is problematic. Such a theological underpinning implies it is a doctrine, which it is not.

That the priest acts in persona Christi is something that happens when celebrating the sacraments by virtue of his ordination not because of something he does. A priest could be a terrible sinner yet would still be acting in persona Christi when (for example) he consecrates the host at Mass.

We are all called to be conformed to Christ. To suggest that a priest does this more by being celibate, in my opinion, rather denigrates marriage, and those priests who are married (e.g. Eastern Rite & ex-Anglican priests).

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Re: Celebacy and the Priests

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[Replying to post 22 by Bede]

I certainly do not want, nor do I intend, to denigrate marriage. It is a sacrament of the Church, and I think if anyone is denigrating it, the people who take it lightly and those who disrespect their spouse are the ones doing it. That said, the celibate life has always been held out to be a higher calling than marriage, though where would the world be if ALL chose to be celibate?

I am definitely NOT in favor of priests being allowed to marry. They are overworked as it is; where would they be if they had to be there for a wife and children? I think priestly celibacy ADDS to the sanctity of marriage. Allowing priests to marry would be like "having your cake and eating it, too." Just as a priest should be free to devote all of his time to his parishioners, a married man should be free to devote all of his free time to his wife and children.

I do not see priestly celibacy ending, whatever one's view of it might be. In the Catechism it states: "Only a baptized man validly receives sacred ordination. The Lord Jesus chose men to form the college of the twelve apostles, and the apostles did the same when they chose collaborators to succeed them in their ministry. The college of bishops, with whom the priests are united in the priesthood, makes the college of the twelve an ever-present and ever-active reality until Christ's return. The Church recognizes herself to be bound by this choice made by the Lord himself. For this reason the ordination of women is not possible" (1577).

I realize it says "women," but I think the Church will continue to feel bound to priestly celibacy as well. It is a tradition (not a Tradition) in the Church that dates back to Christ himself, who, of course, never married and exhorted his apostles to leave their wives and "follow" him.

I agree with poster Hughes who stated that the priest is married to the Church. No, he does not act in persona Christi all of the time, but the analogy is a good one and theologically sound. He is not married to Christ; he is married to Christ's Church. There is a wonderful book that describes this beautifully.

The celibate priest also exercises an eschatological function. After the Second Coming, there will be no marriage in Christ's Kingdom. Christ himself told us this in the Book of Matthew.

Certainly priestly celibacy is NOT the cause of child molestation! Many child molesters are married men, for goodness sake. The desire almost every human being has for sexual relations with another adult of the opposite sex is normal and natural. It requires only self-control by the unmarried. The desire to molest a child represents a mental and sexual aberration. It requires intensive psychological therapy. The percentage of priests who engage in child molestation is four percent. The percentage of married men who engage in child molestation is four percent. There is NO correlation between priestly celibacy and child molestation.

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The homoseXual community Worldwide has devastated the planet.

It is such a shame that a grown capable man wants to take from women and pretend to take the place of a woman.

Women who are career mothers and even future potential mothers have a special, important role in the taX system and in the family.

Gays do not produce or bear children.

The woman's body is designed and specialized and made designed and set up - specifically for the miracle of conception, growth, development, and birth of making a little baby. - REPRODUCTION.

And the gay community ignores the fact that women's bodies are set up and designed differently than a man's body.

Women are not working the jobs of males and the Gay community knows this.
The Gay community still demands that they have the right to mary other males and have the taX breaks and privileges of a Woman and a marriage situation.
The Gay community has really truly disgusted the world.

A huge problem eXists as - The Roman Catholic Church worldwide has handed The KEYS to the CHURCH over to the Gay and Lesbian community.

The Homosexual community worldwide and here in America has been handed the very KEYS to The Roman Catholic Church - and the gays have stuck the rest of the Catholic community and also the general taX payers -
with all of the bills.

The bills of paying for their seXual gay pleasures, adventures and seXual gay joys and experiences with innocent, beautiful little precious baby boys.
The homoseXual community worldwide did not lift a hand or bat an eye to help or support the thousands of victims of the Gay priests who raped, molested and hurt thousands of little kids.

And The Catholic Church has placed the KEYS To The Church right in their hand.
Straight / Hetrosexual Men do not molest and rape little boys.

This is the doing of a gay or biseXual man.

Thousands of Gay men were allowed to use their positions and power and status as a ROMAN CATHOLIC PRIEST to conduct a personal literal Gay Quest.

Billions and Billions of dollars in OUR AMERICAN TAXES and DONATIONS CHARITIES.

OUR TAXES and DONATIONS and GIFTS contributions, presents and handouts and offerings.

Billions have been lost and thrown away

Money, property and land and buildings that The Catholics across the planet have lost that could have been used to help the poor and needy- Even could have helped the dreamers and undocumented children immigrants of DACA.

But instead, the billions have all been thrown away into the legal system to pay the seXual bills and fees, fines and court costs and settlements for the seXual adventures and pleasures of the Gay Community worldwide.

Having seX with a child can be very, very eXpensive and the Gay community eXpects You and me to pay this bill.

There are many, many Roman Catholics, Muslims, Hindus and peoples of many faiths and ATHEISTS TOO, who are caring, concerned, moral and great people of all faiths and types of people.

But this is the same problem that even Hillary Clinton had - Her homoseXual Military, homoseXual FBI, homoseXual CIA and homoseXual leadership and manipulators -

The Democrat party also has handed the KEYS to the American Government over to the Gay and Lesbian community worldwide -

and it cost them elections and also COST the American taXpayers millions of dollars to clean up their mess.

The Democratic party would rather not have the presidency and win the Elections because The Democrat body is so corrupted and entrenched in the drug and an illegal activity lifestyle they could not manage to stumble into the white house.

They would rather keep their illegal activity lifestyles, good times, Pleasures - Foreign Contacts, Secret and all the illegal ways that they obtained them. –
The insider trading and scams -CORRUPTION and BETRAYAL - So They Smash Phones and hard drives and take a nationwide sledgehammer to everything and delete every E-Mail that shows what their activities have been.

They rather not have a Democrat president if they have to turn in their Taxpayer provided supplies inventories and INFO. Because they already got what they wanted.

They do not need the White House.

They have everything they need by illegality.

They are eXactly like the Roman Catholic Church in that they as well have placed the entire Government and Sovereignty, Security and Safety and FUTURE of the USA, right into the Hands of the Homosexual mob.
The Whole FBI could not stumble into the White House because they are so inebriated, impaired and drunk with corruption, shame, and disgusting willful failure.

Christians should realize that Gays legally have the right but realize that Gays overall don't care a rip about the rights of children or the reality of the sacred, special role and rights of women.\ and the need for a taX bracket to be set up to pay women what they deserve for being a woman in a marriage working on savings and getting the benefit of taX breaks for being the wonder that they are. A Woman.

A Gay who is a full grown man - with the capability to work just like another man is stealing and hijacking the rights and privileges and needs of the woman.
By demanding the same taX breaks of a woman.
The gays care not about the importance of Family and women.

The main problem is that The Roman Catholic Church worldwide has handed The KEYS to the CHURCH over to the Gay and Lesbian community.

The Homosexual community worldwide and here in America has been handed the very KEYS to The Roman Catholic Church and the gays have stuck the rest of the Catholic community and also the general taX payers - with all of the bills.

The bills of paying for their seXual gay pleasures, adventures and seXual gay joys and eXperiences with innocent, beautiful little precious baby boys.

The homoseXual community worldwide did not lift a hand or bat an eye to help or support the thousands victims of the Gay priests who raped, molested and hurt thousands little kids.

And The Catholic Church has placed the KEYS To The Church right in their hand.
Straight / Hetrosexual Men do not molest and rape little boys.

This is the doing of a gay or biseXual man.

Thousands of Gay men were allowed to use their positions and power and status as a ROMAN CATHOLIC PRIEST to conduct a personal literal Gay Quest .

Billions and Billions of dollars in OUR AMERICAN TAXES and DONATIONS CHARITIES .

OUR TAXES and DONATIONS and GIFTS contributions, presents and handouts and offerings.

Billions have been lost and thrown away

Money, property and land and buildings that The Catholics across the planet have lost that could have been used to help the poor and needy-
Even could have helped the dreamers and undocumented children immigrants of DACA.
But instead, the billions have all been thrown away into the legal system to pay the seXual bills and fees, fines and court costs and settlements for the seXual adventures and pleasures of the Gay Community worldwide.
Having seX with a child can be very, very eXpensive and the Gay community eXpects You and I to pay this bill.

There are many, many Roman Catholics, Muslims, Hindus and peoples of many faiths and ATHIESTS TOO, who are caring, concerned, moral and great people of all faiths and types of people.

But this is the same problem that even Hillary Clinton had - Her homoseXual Military, homoseXual FBI, homoseXual CIA and homoseXual leadership and manipulators -

The Democrat party also has handed the KEYS to the American Government over to the Gay and Lesbian community worldwide -

and it cost them elections and also COST the American taXpayers millions of dollars to clean up their filthy mess.

The Democratic party would rather not have the presidency and win the Elections because The Democrat body is so corrupted and entrenched in the drug and an illegal activity lifestyle they could not manage to stumble into the white house.

They would rather keep their illegal activity lifestyles, good times, Pleasures - Foreign Contacts, Secret and all the illegal ways that they obtained them. –

The insider trading and scams -CORRUPTION and BETRAYAL - So They Smash Phones and hard drives and take a nationwide sledge hammer to everything and delete every E Mail that shows what their activities have been.

They rather not have a Democrat president if they have to turn in their Taxpayer provided supplies inventories and INFO. Because they already got what they wanted. The do not need the White House.

They have everything they need by illegality.

They are eXactly like the Roman Catholic Church in that they as well has placed the entire Government and Sovereignty, Security and Safety and FUTURE of the USA, right into the Hands of the Homosexual mob.

The Whole FBI could not stumble into the White House because they are so inebriated, impaired and drunk with corruption, shame, and disgusting willful failure.

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