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A new priesthood.

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Why would there need to be a new priesthood in the new covenant? Do these texts indicate that Jesus transferred the authority he was given onto his followers? And if this is the case is there forgiveness of sin for those who have not received absolution from these men?
Hebrews 7:10-12

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10 because when Melchizedek met Abraham, Levi was still in the body of his ancestor.

Jesus Like Melchizedek

If perfection could have been attained through the Levitical priesthood—and indeed the law given to the people established that priesthood—why was there still need for another priest to come, one in the order of Melchizedek, not in the order of Aaron? 12 For when the priesthood is changed, the law must be changed also.


Matthew 16:19
I will give you the keys of the kingdom of heaven; whatever you bind on earth will be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth will be loosed in heaven.�


John 20:22-23

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22 And with that he breathed on them and said, “Receive the Holy Spirit. 23 If you forgive anyone’s sins, their sins are forgiven; if you do not forgive them, they are not forgiven

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These texts and others do form the basis for what is called Apostolic Succession. This is the idea that the priesthood of the Christian Church is held to be derived from the apostles by some form of continuous succession. Churches that claim some form of apostolic succession, dating back to the apostles include the Roman Catholic Church, the Eastern Orthodox and Oriental Orthodox Churches, the Church of the East, the Anglican Communion, the Liberal Catholic Church and some Lutheran Churches.
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You are forgetting the LDS. Joseph Smith claimed that God told him in a vision that the keys had been removed from all Christianity due to apostasy and he was to start anew and restore what had been lost.

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postroad wrote: [Replying to post 2 by McCulloch]


You are forgetting the LDS. Joseph Smith claimed that God told him in a vision that the keys had been removed from all Christianity due to apostasy and he was to start anew and restore what had been lost.
That claim is an error in and of itself because it would make Jesus a liar. There was no so-called apostasy and there will never be one --- we have Christ's promise on this: " And I say to thee: That thou art Peter; and upon this rock I will build my church, and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it. " (Mt 16:18)

We here note that Christ, by building his house, that is, his church, upon a rock, has thereby secured it against all storms and floods, like the wise builder, in Matt. 7: 24, 25.

The gates of hell: That is, the powers of darkness, and whatever Satan can do, either by himself, or his agents. For as the church is here likened to a house, or fortress, built on a rock; so the adverse powers are likened to a contrary house or fortress, the gates of which, that is, the whole strength, and all the efforts it can make, will never be able to prevail over the city or church of Christ. By this promise we are fully assured, that neither idolatry, heresy, nor any pernicious error whatsoever shall at any time prevail over the church of Christ.

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Yes indeed. But no more absurd than the Christian claim that the Jews forfeited the new covenant.

Which of course makes God a liar.

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postroad wrote: [Replying to post 4 by jedicri]

Yes indeed. But no more absurd than the Christian claim that the Jews forfeited the new covenant.

Which of course makes God a liar.
Or just a tighter definition of 'HIS people'? Revelation 3:9 I will make those who are of the synagogue of Satan, who claim to be Jews though they are not, but are liars--I will make them come and fall down at your feet and acknowledge that I have loved you.

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We had an existence with a free will in Sheol before the creation of the physical universe. Here we chose to be able to become holy or to be eternally evil in YHWH's sight. Then the physical universe was created and all sinners were sent to earth.

This theology debunks the need to base Christianity upon the blasphemy of creating us in Adam's sin.

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ttruscott wrote:
postroad wrote: [Replying to post 4 by jedicri]

Yes indeed. But no more absurd than the Christian claim that the Jews forfeited the new covenant.

Which of course makes God a liar.
Or just a tighter definition of 'HIS people'? Revelation 3:9 I will make those who are of the synagogue of Satan, who claim to be Jews though they are not, but are liars--I will make them come and fall down at your feet and acknowledge that I have loved you.

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The UN BIBLICAL teaching of The Forgiveness of sins according to the Roman Catholic Church has been completely corrupted by The Roman Catholic Church and also Mistranslated in both Catholic and Protestant translations. {The KJV as well }

- As the King James Version is almost an exact Copy Cat and exact duplicate of the Roman Catholic Douay Rheims Bible translation.

- For eXample - The Bible, however, says clearly that THE Forgiveness Of Sins - has already been completed, purchased and made complete or accomplished upon the cross. Completed and paid as “ FREE - FORGIVENESS “ and “ FREE - PARDON to all. - FREELY GIVEN. / PRICE PAID.

What Roman Catholic and Protestant translators did is universally ignore this process as it is eXplained and worded throughout the Greek manuscripts as the authors of the Catholic Bible Translation purposely used a total of three totally separate, individual different Greek words as ONE single UNIVERSAL word “ forgive “ - throughout the entire translation.

In other words, The specific, exact, individual Greek word that means “ To Lay, Aside, Or LEAVE sin “ The Roman Catholic Translators pretend that this Greek word is the same over all universal English word meaning Forgiveness “ COMPLETE FORGIVENESS “ throughout the translation while they picked and chose where it meant forgiveness and where it meant to mean Lay Aside, Leave or Departed or LEAVE.
The usage of Three Greek words shows and matches a designed message and shows The Gospel me ssage that PARDON, FORGIVENESS was FREELY given 2000 years ago when Yaahoshua The Anointed who died on the Cross and paid the price for the sins of the world. For eXample Your Catholic Translation uses the word FORGIVE here in 1Jn 1:9 But what 1st Jn 1:9 says in the Original Greek Manuscripts is “ If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to lay aside / omit us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
The correct Greek word that is used as omit / lay aside throughout the entire New Testament hundreds of times, the translators use this word as to mean PARDON and FORGIVENESS, when the PARDON and FORGIVENESS was already completed and finished This is why there are verses such as - Heb 10:26 For if we sin willfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins. The Authors used the words “ remaineth no more sacrifice for sins “ because it was the sacrifice of The Anointing Yaahoshua on the cross that has already paid for the sins. The word forgiveness was overly used and abused as the Catholic translators greatly abused much of the original manuscript text. REMEMBER Mat 26:28 For this is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many for the { G859 ἀ �φ ε σ ι ς aphesis / af'-es-is Freedom; pardon: - deliverance, forgiveness, liberty, FREE PARDON FORGIVNESS. of sins. This is the real GREEK APPLIED WORD - meaning the FULL PARDON, FREELY GIVEN AND FORGIVENESS. The Price has been paid. PARDON, FORGIVENESS.
The very scripture that Roman Catholics claim is giving Priests the authority and power to Forgive sins in their translation - is translated incorrectly - I can easily prove this. In The Original manuscripts, the word Forgive { THE SAME WORD } is not used so widely and overly repeating and repeating as the same meaning and word usage - as The Translators perversely and overly used the word Forgiveness. REMEMBER - The Verse in John 20:23 that is in the Roman Catholic Translation that Catholics claim is Giving Priests the power to FORGIVE sins is in fact purposely mistranslated in the Roman Catholic Translation. This is why the Douay Rheims translation is Different from the King James Version in John 20:23. The Greek word that Roman Catholics claim is - FORGIVE - is not PARDON or FORGIVE but simply means - Yielded up - To let go, Or let out, Or leave, or put away.
+ * eXample - 1Co 7:11 let not the husband put away his wife. - It has absolutely nothing to do with the Forgiveness of anything here. PUT AWAY - Is not FORGIVENESS. Yes, the Roman Catholics claim that this word PUT AWAY, LEAVE or LAY ASIDE - is God telling them that they are literally priests out there to forgive and pardon the sin. ! + * and again here This Greek word is used here in - Mat 23:38 Behold, your house is " left " unto you desolate. your house is " left " unto you, desolate - The meaning is always the same the house is - LEFT o color=#141414]r LET GO [/color]or YEILDED / GIVEN UP / GIVEN OUT, as desolate to You.
This word is a physical action word that is used here as Jesus " LET OUT, " GAVE OUT - A PHYSICAL CRY. He cried Out. The pressure or voice / crying that which He had held inside. it’s always the same. Every time. The “ Crying Out “ was the Greek word that the Roman Catholic Translators claim is forgiveness - in their translation.
Here in Mar 15:37 And Jesus " cried out " with a loud voice. " Cried Out " - is the eXact and very word that the translators are claiming that is the word - Forgive. - But it is not the REAL Greek word forgive. Again - Catholics - MADE IT UP. BUT - This word " CRIED OUT " is - 863 ἀφι�ημι - aphiēmi - af-ee'-ay-mee. Meaning to send out; (to go)); To cry out - Also to lay aside, leave, let (alone, put out (send) away, remit, yield up. So Yielding up or down something and Crying Out a withheld Cry held inside. This is the same eXact word and it is completely different from the GREEK WORD FORGIVENESS. The LITERAL Greek word FORGIVE - is G5483 χα�ι�ζομαι - charizomai - khar-id'-zom-ahee. This is FORGIVENESS - To GIVE FREELY - grant as a full favor, pardon or rescue: - deliver, (frankly) forgive, (freely) give, grant forgiveness. - ANYTHING FREELY FULLY FORGIVEN.
FORGIVENESS, PARDONING SINS has nothing to do with the ACTION word OF " { leaving, letting go, Letting out, going and Laying aside or stopping, halting, leaving our sins.
And this was the point of the authors. They were not throwing around the word FORGIVENESS and PARDONS Over and over and over and over, as You see in the Roman Catholic Translations. Most of the Gospel concerning forgiveness of sins is not filled with all of the 40 + FORGIVENESS WORDS that are in the Roman Catholic translations.
The Roman Catholic Translations ignore that the words that they claim are forgive are actually based off of three different Greek words.

G859 ἀ�φεσις - aphesis -af'-es-is = Personal physical FREEDOM From Sin.
G863
ἀφι�ημι - aphiēmi = Remitting Letting go, leaving, laying aside - From Sin. and
G5483 - χα�ι�ζομαι - charizomai = FULL PARDON FORGIVENESS From Sin.

The Roman Catholic Translators go about throwing around the word FORGIVE and never explain the meaning of the words as if all three are the same universal word and meaning. + * Another eXample - Mat 4:20 And they straightway REMITTED, RELEASED their nets, and followed.

Remitting
Your net and Remitting Your neighbors sins or leaving Your Husband or Wife or Leaving and Remitting from Sin - is not the same as a Full pardon - FORGIVENESS from God. The Roman Catholic translators did not make this clear.
The bible shows using the Greek language that the forgiveness was already purchased and done on the cross and that is complete all of the other forgiveness words that the translators threw into the translation is not the same meaning as pardon, forgiveness and absolving sins.
Most of them are a different Greek word as i mentioned above and it is not forgiveness but actually means G863 ἀφι�ημι - aphiēmi = Remitting Letting go, leaving, laying aside - From Sin.
God puts the sin away that He has already paid the price for and actually forgiven us for on the cross.
Putting away or remitting sins - is not G5483 - χα�ι�ζομαι - charizomai = FULL PARDON FORGIVENESS From Sin. As it is used on the cross and in the finished work of Yahoshua the Anointed,. And the Original manuscripts make that clear - However, the translators mistranslated especially on purpose in the Roman Catholic translations. I could take the time to show You how this applies - there is solid proof throughout the Bible manuscripts showing how that these three words are used to clearly lay out and display that the FORGIVENESS was a ONE TIME event and that after the forgivness of Jesus was made the only thing that God does is LAY ASIDE / put aside REMITS / and LETS GO of our sins .
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