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Someone I know is considering the validity of the earth being flat. This person is considering a number of explanations being given by people who believe in a flat earth.

Some of the explanations I think I can handle, but on others, I do not know how to speak the 'science' well enough to be able to explain it so that another person can see if for themselves (and if no one wants to respond, I'm sure I can do the research myself). So just in case some of you have some great links you could post, or some great explanations that a layperson should be able to grasp, then that would be... well, great : )



Just facts and evidence please. No mocking comments even against the flat earth people. I would like to send this link to this person. Also, I think there was a suggestion on another thread somewhere on how a person could do an experiment themselves that would show them if the earth is flat or curved. But I do not recall what that experiment was.



So, some of the arguments this dear one is finding convincing are as follows:


1 - ships are not disappearing at the horizon due to the curvature of the earth; it is just that they are reaching the 'vanishing point' where we can no longer see them, because if we look through a powerful telescope, those ships are still visible. This is just a perspective issue.


2 - the photos supposedly taken from the moon or from space are recreations and not real photos, so they are photoshopped and not real. (the idea being that no one ever landed on the moon)


3 - the sun is what is moving (not the earth)


4 - If the earth is spinning at about 1600 km/hour, why do weather balloons move with the earth?


5 - Why are stars fixed points (the northern star, big dipper, etc,) if the earth is moving?


6 - How are vessels going into space not being crushed by the vacuum of space (since the metal is so thin on such vessels - like on the moon landing rover)?

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Peace to you all,

Can everyone see this thread? This was saved just as a draft before the update (I wasn't sure I wanted to post it and did not complete it) but it appears to have been automatically posted after the update.


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tam wrote:
Thu Mar 12, 2020 4:10 pm
Someone I know is considering the validity of the earth being flat. This person is considering a number of explanations being given by people who believe in a flat earth.

Some of the explanations I think I can handle, but on others, I do not know how to speak the 'science' well enough to be able to explain it so that another person can see if for themselves (and if no one wants to respond, I'm sure I can do the research myself). So just in case some of you have some great links you could post, or some great explanations that a layperson should be able to grasp, then that would be... well, great : )

Just facts and evidence please. No mocking comments even against the flat earth people. I would like to send this link to this person. Also, I think there was a suggestion on another thread somewhere on how a person could do an experiment themselves that would show them if the earth is flat or curved. But I do not recall what that experiment was.

So, some of the arguments this dear one is finding convincing are as follows:
1 - ships are not disappearing at the horizon due to the curvature of the earth; it is just that they are reaching the 'vanishing point' where we can no longer see them, because if we look through a powerful telescope, those ships are still visible. This is just a perspective issue.
2 - the photos supposedly taken from the moon or from space are recreations and not real photos, so they are photoshopped and not real. (the idea being that no one ever landed on the moon)
3 - the sun is what is moving (not the earth)
4 - If the earth is spinning at about 1600 km/hour, why do weather balloons move with the earth?
5 - Why are stars fixed points (the northern star, big dipper, etc,) if the earth is moving?
6 - How are vessels going into space not being crushed by the vacuum of space (since the metal is so thin on such vessels - like on the moon landing rover)?
Only because I'm absolutely bored.

1 - ships are not disappearing at the horizon due to the curvature of the earth; it is just that they are reaching the 'vanishing point' where we can no longer see them, because if we look through a powerful telescope, those ships are still visible. This is just a perspective issue.

..................................WRONG.




2 - the photos supposedly taken from the moon or from space are recreations and not real photos, so they are photoshopped and not real. (the idea being that no one ever landed on the moon)

Statements without evidence don't impress. Your evidence please.


3 - the sun is what is moving (not the earth)

Because geocentric orbits make much more sense. NOT!




4 - If the earth is spinning at about 1600 km/hour, why do weather balloons move with the earth?

Actually, it only spins at 1670 km/hr ( 1037 miles/hr) at the equator. At the poles its speed is zero. At 45 degree latitude (Minneapolis, Minn.) it's speed is 1180 km/hr. (733 miles/hr)

Because the earth' s atmosphere is gravitationally tied to the earth and is "pulled" along with the earth as it spins. And because weather balloons reside within our atmosphere they follow along.



5 - Why are stars fixed points (the northern star, big dipper, etc,) if the earth is moving?

They're not really fixed at all, but because they're so incredibly far away their movement is not discernible.




6 - How are vessels going into space not being crushed by the vacuum of space (since the metal is so thin on such vessels - like on the moon landing rover)?

What does this have to do with a flat earth? But to answer your question, because they're built to withstand it. The reinforced metal isn't "so thin."
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Proper is probably to speak of an Earth flat enough for life on Earth while Earth is spherical on some level still.
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tam wrote:
Thu Mar 12, 2020 4:10 pm
6 - How are vessels going into space not being crushed by the vacuum of space (since the metal is so thin on such vessels - like on the moon landing rover)?
Atmospheric pressure at sea level is about 15 psi, so that's what the inside of a spacecraft would be pressurized to. That's about the pressure of a fresh tennis ball (~12 psi over atmosphere). Carbonated cans of soda at room temperature are about 60 psi over atmosphere, or four times the pressure of a spacecraft.
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Thu Mar 12, 2020 4:10 pm
Also, I think there was a suggestion on another thread somewhere on how a person could do an experiment themselves that would show them if the earth is flat or curved. But I do not recall what that experiment was.
I don't know if this is what you remember, but there was a relatively recent thread that included the apparently serious assertion that the Earth doesn't rotate. That's somewhat different than the Earth being flat, but most of the same arguments apply. If the Earth is a rotating sphere, then satellite orbits can be explained using relatively simple math. If it's not, then their behaviors are extremely complicated and weird.

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Occam's Razor!

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