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Well who would do anything with that attitude! I trust you don't say that to others trying to write or create in real life.
That at least gets to the point of the thread. What does the science say? I am not sure psychologists are unbiased or even scientists. But thank you for the link.Diogenes wrote: ↑Wed Aug 24, 2022 5:28 pmWhat difference does it make? Virtually everyone agrees gender attraction is not a choice. Science says the same thing. https://www.apa.org/topics/lgbtq/sexual-orientation
Yet a large swath of Christian fundamentalists act, preach, and lecture as if it is a choice. What kind of a 'god' or religion condemns people for decisions outside their control?
Not unless they've offered em up the best phrasing I ain't heard in a coon's age.Wootah wrote: ↑Wed Aug 24, 2022 6:42 pmWell who would do anything with that attitude! I trust you don't say that to others trying to write or create in real life.
This is a ridiculous claim. One could make this claim about any ideology. Having lots of children and indoctrinating them to believe in it makes an ideology more popular or preserves it may be true even of destructive or evil beliefs, such as Nazism. In other words, a certain type of 'Christianity' could be toxic to society. Spreading it would be anti-evolutionary. Preaching hatred of Jews, homosexuals, blacks, or other ethnic groups is just plain evil, yet this is exactly what the KKK (a group that openly espouses White Christian Nationalism) does.Wootah wrote: ↑Mon Aug 22, 2022 7:23 pmI'm literally admitting it. Christianity is basically good evolution.Clownboat wrote: ↑Tue Aug 09, 2022 10:30 amYou have to admit, it would be a great strategy to keep a belief going. Have lots of children and raise them up to belong to the geographic religion of the area.Wootah wrote: ↑Mon Aug 08, 2022 10:11 pm [Replying to JoeyKnothead in post #48]
In my experience Christians and religious people have larger families and ignore the world as best they can.
I would suggest threats of eternal torment if they even get look [sic] ['luke?']warm about their beliefs and promises of eternal bliss if they keep their beliefs. That will also help when raising said children.
"Training" has nothing to do with it. You cannot 'train' yourself to be attracted to members of the opposite sex or to the same sex. Our sexual attractions are something that just happens to us. It is not a matter of either choice or training.Wootah wrote: ↑Fri Jul 29, 2022 12:57 am [Replying to Miles in post #4]
I think I personally do. I think conscious decisions become habits over a life time of training. A cricket batsman does not consciously choose their shot in the microsecond before the ball gets to them but a lifetime of habit helps select the correct shot. I know what I say to my children guides them in their future choices as well.
I mean I am not attracted to fat girls, or girls with no shape. Why is that?
edit: Nor am I attracted to muscular girls - because I am trained not to be attracted to men.
https://www.psychologicalscience.org/ne ... ation.htmlScientific findings do not support the notion that sexual orientation can be taught or learned through social means. And there is little evidence to suggest that non-heterosexual orientations become more common with increased social tolerance.
Hi...... Nature.
I know. Did you know I was responding to something you said that was false that I addressed with my keeping of fish?
Yes, but not nearly as threatening as telling a child they will spend eternity in hell for whatever reasons.If I say to a child 'if you don't study you will not pass the test' - is that a threat? That is all I mean when I say hell awaits.
Not even a good one either. More like an old K car.Clownboat wrote: ↑Mon Aug 29, 2022 12:35 pmI know. Did you know I was responding to something you said that was false that I addressed with my keeping of fish?
Wootah: Copy/paste: "We are all indoctrinated by what we believe."
Even if you had said that we are all indoctrinated in the world about what we believe, it would still be incorrect. Again, the keeping of fish example was brought on to counter your claim. You trying not to acknowledging this and pretending I was talking about keeping fish was just a dodge.
I find it absolutely confounding that you even had to utter that statement.Clownboat wrote:Yes, but not nearly as threatening as telling a child they will spend eternity in hell for whatever reasons.If I say to a child 'if you don't study you will not pass the test' - is that a threat? That is all I mean when I say hell awaits.
It's just how indoctrinated you are to think that way.Clownboat wrote: ↑Mon Aug 29, 2022 12:35 pmI know. Did you know I was responding to something you said that was false that I addressed with my keeping of fish?
Wootah: Copy/paste: "We are all indoctrinated by what we believe."
Even if you had said that we are all indoctrinated in the world about what we believe, it would still be incorrect. Again, the keeping of fish example was brought on to counter your claim. You trying not to acknowledging this and pretending I was talking about keeping fish was just a dodge.
Yes, but not nearly as threatening as telling a child they will spend eternity in hell for whatever reasons.If I say to a child 'if you don't study you will not pass the test' - is that a threat? That is all I mean when I say hell awaits.
