JehovahsWitness wrote:Paradigm wrote:
Question for debate: Does the Bible prohibit premarital sex?
Fornication** basically means '
unlawful" sex, or sex that god does not approve of. From the Greek work "
pornia"
The New Unger’s Bible Dictionary, 1988, p. 441, “fornication�:, “πο�νεία�:
The definition you gave is exactly the same as the one I gave. Illicit sexual intercourse. If you look up the word "illicit" I believe you will find that it means "unlawful" "illegal" "not authorized" "not permitted" "prohibited" etc...
So if you want to find out if something is illegal or not, you look at the law right? In this case, we are looking at God's law. Where in God's law is premarital sex listed as being one of the prohibited sexual items.
Quoting passages that say you shouldn't commit pornea is like saying that it is illegal to commit a crime. Without a passage specifying which things are unlawful and which are not, the word pornea is worse than useless.
Please show a passage that specifically prohibits premarital sex. Showing a passage that prohibits prohibited sex isn't the same thing, and is in fact entirely redundant.
If the state of Oregon passes a law that says it is illegal to drink illegal energy drinks, does that mean that red bull is outlawed but Monster is ok? Without a law specifying which drinks are illegal and which are not, the law is useless.
The Old Testament provides a comprehensive and exhaustive list of prohibited sexual intercourse in Leviticus 18.
Having sex with your mom is pornea under Old Covenant law. Lev 18:7
Having sex with your sister is pornea under Old Covenant law Lev 18:9
This is how one determines whether a sex act qualifies as "unlawful" byu looking at the law and seeing if there is a law prohibiting a certain act.
What I am looking for is a verse that specifically prohibits pre-marital sex. I already know that there are plenty of redundant verses redundantly prohibiting prohibited things by saying redundantly that prohibited things are prohibited.
While this would include sex before marriage, but it also includes adultery, homosexuality, and bestiality. It is the willing stimulation of the genitals with lewd intent, involving two parties, and so the term also includes so-called "mutual masturbation". Some scholars believe that the term "pornea" included oral sex and anal sex even within marriage, but biblically "fornication" is never linked with any sex between spouses
http://www.preceptaustin.org/galatians_519-20.htm
I wasn't really asking for evidence that some random person who replied on Yahoo Mexico Respuestas thought that premarital sex was included on the list of prohibited sexual acts. I was looking for an actual verse from the Bible.
Scriptural references:
Matt. 5:32; 19:9; John 8:41; Acts 15:20, 29; 21:25; Rom. 1:29; 1 Cor 5:1, 6:13, 18, 7:2; 10:8; 2 Cor 12:21; Gal 5:19; Eph 5:3; Col 3:5; 1 Thess. 4:3; Jude 1:7; Rev. 2:14, 20-21; 9:21; 14:8; 17:2,4)
Here we go! Bible verses. Lets see if any of these mention premarital sex.
But I say to you that everyone who divorces his wife, except on the ground of sexual immorality, makes her commit adultery, and whoever marries a divorced woman commits adultery. - Matt 5:32
Ok, so everyone who divorces his wife except on the grounds of her engaging in unlawful sexual practices makes her commit a specific type of unlawful sexual practice specifically prohibited by Leviticus 18:20.
How does that tells us whether or not premarital sex is an unlawful sexual practice or a lawful sexual practice?
Matt 19:9 said the same thing as 5:32, John 8:41 uses the word pornea again with no mention of premarital sex.
but should write to them to abstain from the things polluted by idols, and from sexual immorality, and from what has been strangled, and from blood Acts 15:20
Ok, so people should abstain from things polluted by idols and from illegal sexual practices and from what has been strangles and from blood acts. Does that mean that it is a sin for a man to have sex with his wife, since that is an illegal sexual practice?
They were filled with all manner of unrighteousness, evil, covetousness, malice. They are full of envy, murder, strife, deceit, maliciousness. They are gossips, Rom 1:29
Holy cow! You are right! That verse totally proves that premarital sex is an unlawful sexual prac- Oh, wait. No it doesn't. It doesn't mention premarital sex, postmarital sex, marital sex, any type of marriage, or any type of sex. It doesn't even use the word pornea that I can see.
Can you give me a verse that says "premarital sex is a type of pornea" or "pornea means premarital sex" or "having sex with someone who you aren't married to is bad" or "sex is only ok between married people"?
Giving me a million verses that redundantly say "Having illegal sex is illegal" is redundantly redundant.