Sodom, Greece, Rome and homosexuality.

[AlAyeti]

Does allowing for diversity include parents having no voice in what their children are forced to be taught and have to accept?

Do Christians and the many other cultures and belief systems opposed to homosexuality have the right to have their culture and religious views respected in society when it comes to decent and natural sexual behavior in the education system and in public?

Are homosexuals demanding accesss to children under the label of diversity and anti-hate legislation?

This seems the number one issue between average and normal "family" people and the homosexual agenda.

Can there be laws passed that keeps homosexuality from becoming forced on children and families that oppose it, without the homosexual community and homosexual action organizations crying discrimination?

Is there such a thing anymore as heterosexual rights?

[Cathar1950]

All of those ad hominem posts directed at little ol' 1 John_2_26. It's like hearing lemmings chattering as they march on.

Why do you insist on calling any challenge to the factuality of your attacks on others “ad hominem” attacks on you? I see you know little about lemmings except popular mythology.
You are sadly funny. I don’t think you have found “historical happenings” rather you have found other fearful “Christians of your persuasion. Again you present others opinions as fact and proof.
Considering this was written in 2001 I wonder what the situation is now? It hardly sounds like a conspiracy or the homosexual agenda. It sounds like the same sorts of complaints some have concerning the bible in the schools not a wide spread epidemic. I bet the situation has calmed down by now and been settled. Social awareness is not forcing others to learn about sodomy. Sexual practices are your obsession.

[1John2_26]

Cathar, I'm so glad you asked if things are proceeding according to the Gay Agenda's plan. If I could have posted the pictures of these high school boys marching in drag I would have. Just a reminder, religious parades involving tax dollars is illegal.

Go here for the photos taken of the "parade."

http://www.article8.org/docs/news_event ... de_052105/

Your tax dollars at work: Gov. Romney's "Commission for Gay and Lesbian Youth" brings kids into Boston for bizarre parade.
On May 21, 2005 Gov. Romney's "Governor's Commission for Gay and Lesbian Youth", (which gets hundreds of thousands of taxpayer dollars) organized schoolchildren from their school-based "Gay-Straight Alliance" clubs to participate in a "Youth Pride Day" parade through downtown Boston.

An entire day of celebrating homosexuality for kids. Paid for by you. They held a "rally" at the Boston Common and marched through the downtown streets, past the State House.





This marks the starting point of the parade, at the Boston Common.
We're sure that Gov. Romney's real proud.





An interesting "queer" fad: boys wearing women's clothes and fishnet stockings.





This young man got a police escort as he marched through downtown Boston.





At the steps of the State House. This apears to be the "Reviewers' Stand",
where the parade sponsors view their work!





And, of course, the State Police were there to no one disturbed the depravity.



Some of the dozens of high schools that took part:




















An appearance in the crowd by the leader
of the "Boston Area Gay and Lesbian
Youth" (BAGLY) -- who used to be a male.




And, of course, the contingent of kids carrying pro-gay marriage signs.




This sums up the attitude of the adults involved.

[1John2_26]

Cathar, what was I thinking. 2005 was so long ago.

Here's some of this years pride (I wonder how long the Gay Agenda has planned for the First Amendment to last?):

http://www.massresistance.com/docs/even ... index.html

Here is what was handed out to the public at this year's "Boston Pride 2006" festival & parade on Saturday, June 11.
And we're told that this is only about "diversity" and "tolerance". What kind of diversity is this? Why are Macy's, Verizon, Delta Airlines, etc., and the Mayor of Boston and all the other politicians so supportive of this??? These companies and elected officials have some serious explaining to do.

WARNING: Some of this is VERY vulgar and disgusting.


Handing it out. On the left is one of the people handing out materials to the crowds. This particular guy threatened to
assault our cameraman. On the right, a couple of kids (boys? girls?) with stuff just given to them.



And here's just some of it. . .



A "female condom" with detailed instructions handed out with it describing
how to use it for anal sex. Apparently a lot of these were given out. Why?






Here's a card (front and back) that was handed out to people:





Another free advertisement. How'd you like for someone to
hand you this while you're watching a parade?





Packets of anal lube cream were
apparently a popular item.




A double-page of "snugger fit" condoms.



And a three-pack: (1) lube cream, (2) regular condom,
and in the rainbow package (3) a special "pleasure
plus" condom that's "filled with pride".




And of course, a condom bumper sticker! Just what the average person wants for his car.

[Cathar1950]

There seems to be a lot of people having harmless fun. I think the pictures were selective and the article was bias and disturbed.
What is your point? I don't see people being forced to have anal or oral sex in the schools. I see a parade. Just like other people.
If you don't like it don't go and don't take pictures.

[melikio]

WARNING: Some of this is VERY vulgar and disgusting.

LOL!

While I agree that some words or images may be inappropriate for certain audiences, I don't agree that any of what they had posted at the link provided is either vulgar or disgusting.

-Mel-

[Scrotum]

Here's some of this years pride (I wonder how long the Gay Agenda has planned for the First Amendment to last?):

John, your comments are obviously not very strange in the light of you being an american, but tell me, what about the rest of the world?

The U.S is just a little country on our huge globe (yes, its not flat), what about the rest of it? What about the Pride Parades in Germany? France? Iceland? Etcetera? How come these countries do not have a morally declining society where destruction and chaos is happening?

Or rather, why is the OPPOSITE happening in Europe? Why are they more OPEN about homosexuality? Why dont they have the same poverty rates? And social worries? Clearly all of this is related, so tell me John, why would your "first ammendment" be so important when European countries do not have the american constitution? They manage for thousands of years, gosh, what about China? Japan? India? They mange for a couple of years without this amazing american constitution... Odd that, or i guess you wont address this?

Not to mention, what about CANADA? (thats the country north of United States, the second biggest in the world next to Russia). Their Constitution is based on British and OWN (selfmade) Rights and Freedoms acts.. Oh My Lord.

Oh well, never mind that and I shall continue with a more important point.


Well, John, the actuality of the parade was not homosexuality, it was Equality. Which these parades always been about. They had one in Iceland when i was there to, and all my friends, none of them homosexual, went because they liked the festivity.

Clearly, you are not for equality, and want Homosexuals, Blacks, Woman and such to do what you say (follow the bible in your interpretation), or else they should be stoned. This is your opinion, which is fine, just dont pretend its not what you want. Your hatred is clear.


Me not being homosexual would like you to tell you a story hat happened to me a couple of years ago when i visited KL (Capital of Malaysia);


I was staying in one of the finest hotels in the country where luxury was on the border of ludicrous, and I usually dont go to these kind of hotels as i prefer Hostels of some kind because of the social activity there, but was hoping to met some nice people here to, so i gave it a chance.

At 0600 i took the elevator (lift) down to the spa area (having massages, steam baths and such) as i wanted some peace and quiet in the morning as i would be busy until 2300 after that, and i deserved some harmony.

As i entered the male spa area i found a massive jacuzzi in the center, and it was clear it was calling my name. The jacuzzi was also occupied by another man clearly having the same planing as me when it came to peace and quiet. I cuddle down in the opposite corner of the (massive) jacuzzie and relaxed.....

After a period of time the man started to talk to me. I cant recall specific what about, but i know we where talking about why we where there, and world politics (World means everything, not the U.S). He was a very charismatic man, being British, living in Germany, and just happened to be a English Teacher of some kind (not a regular teacher, i forgot the name for it).

Now, this story may become very uncomfortable for peoples such as John, so you better ignore the rest if you are a senestive soul of reality. OK? You prepared? I shall continue:

He also, was 100% homosexual, which my special homo-senses picked up.

So i asked him about his partner (had a ring, was married), and that i did not know anything about the marriage laws in Germany. He explained that certain States (areas) in the country allows marriage, and others just ´Unions´, but it was more or less no difference when it came to laws (As you know, married couples gets special tax laws), and he commented on our excellent laws on this in Sweden.

Now, during this time he had been getting closer and closer, slowly but obviously ower to my safe-space in the jacuzzi, and I was starting to get suspicious, he was married, so obviously he would not hit on me? I am very popular amongst both sexes, and have had people hitting on me on occasions not meant to. But Suddenly:

Man to me: Can i massage your feet ?!

......Total silence. I didn´t know what to say, but eventually i manage to get out:

Me: You got a foot fetish do you?

And indeed he did. He told me that his partner really did no care about this, so if he got a chance to touch some feet, he did. Well, what would you do? Say no to such a thing? Free foot massage? No way.

Me: Erh, yeah, OK, sure, it cant get any weirder... can it.

So he started to give me a foot massage. Me not being a feet expert, considered it to be nothing special, but getting your feet massaged by a gay-man is nothing that happens often, and some people pay for it, so i accepted this weirdness for now.



Well, it got a bit long now, and it does have a continuing story if anyone would actually care about it. But my point was, so whats wrong with this? According to John, homosexuals are the spawn of Satan, the Evil itself, the darkness behind the light, but yet, this guy was very friendly, he even gave me a foot massage. Should i have told him no? Why? Would you say no to a woman giving you a foot massage?

Whats the point of all this hatred is all i am saying.

[melikio]

Whats the point of all this hatred is all i am saying.

The point of it, is that many have been TAUGHT to fear and hate homosexuals (socially and religiously).

Many grow up continuing that stream of fear and hatred, and are typically quite nasty about it because they haven't been taught to deal with it in any other way but through rejection. On top of that, there are men (especially) who see some of that "homosexuality" within themselves, and that intensifies the fear/denial within themselves; when that less-than-perfectly-straight person encounters "homosexuals" or "homosexuality" it's like this:

1. In dealing with a homosexual directly, they feel like the guy who freaks out on the first DROP of a rollercoaster. And they often react as many people do, because they haven't been taught to realize or accept what is actually going on. I know from expereince that fear can be as deep inside of a person as "faith"; and I know that fear can be overcome wothout losing faith.

2. In dealing with homosexuality, the less-than-perfectly-straight person is curious, but not beyond encouraging others to fear homosexual people. This justifies or helps that person to convince theirself that they REALLY aren't gay. And I've seen this over and over... people who are really homosexual (or bi-sexual), but who put on the "ACT" because society (in its ignorance, hatred and arrogance) has deemed that homosexual people WILL be treated as less-than-human.

Sure, this may keep some (or even many) from admitting that they are homosexual or have such interests (swept under the rug), but it does not deal with the issue associated with being homosexual. And a massive problem is that fear has too often won out over compassion. So many "Christians" are about "fear" concerning this aspect of humanity, that it's very difficult to get a REASONABLE answer or response from them. Many are starting to realize that. And it's not so much a turning away from God (as many fundamentalists say), as it is a retreating from the neurotic thinking surrounding homosexual people.

All of the above became highly evident to me, because I watched (silently) from the "CLOSET" for literal decades. First I only cried and pleaded; eventually I learned to question and analyze things.

I would mainly encourage ALL people to consider the following:

Just because someone has said/interpreted the Bible in some way, it doesn't absolutely mean that they have the entire picture of humanity or reality in their hip-pocket. I think it's ok to hear what others have to say about homosexuality and homosexuals, but it is far more important to examine what they are saying is true or "required".

-Mel-

[Scrotum]

So Melikio... Are you good at giving foot massages?

[melikio]

So Melikio... Are you good at giving foot massages?

Probably.

I can touch most "anything" and cause people to feel good.
(Well... there are exceptions like the inside of the nose, or the pupils ...etc.)

[Cathar1950]

Scrotum you are such a foot slut. Feet are only meant for viginas.