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Jesus created sex and sex was not the original sin...

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Lets go over the principles....

Principle ONE ...Jesus is God and was from the Beginning and was the Creator.

Principle TWO, sex was created full, complete and ready to go when He created Adam and a beautiful sexy Eve.
Without a marriage ceremony, He told them to make love and reproduce. In other words have sex....to recreate what the
Lord originally created.

The Lord created all things and then created the method to recreate all living things.

It didn't take billions of years of trial and error in getting it in and functioning, it just worked by design from the
BEGINNING. There was no evolutionary beneficial mutations that created sex little by little til all the right features
and projections were fully functional and erect. SEE Evolution is a LIE THREAD as it has been proven beyond a
shadow of any doubt. Creation and Design is a PRINCIPLE.

For, sex was created by design by the Designer and that for more than just procreation but for recreation and
unification as well.

And they all said, or at least the wise ones among them said... Amen Praise the Lord, for He is Good,


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And the original sin was not sex but pride......






The original Sin of Adam and Eve was not sex. Sex had nothing to do with the fall of mankind. So even though the great majority of
churches teach that sex and sexuality is the great evil, the truth is the Lord’s first commandment to Adam and Eve, was for them
to ‘have sex’. But if you don’t believe it, then let’s go over the scriptures and you may be very surprised. And then
from there, it might make you take a closer look at all the other sexual misconceptions that church doctrines have ingrained in you.

Reading Genesis 1: 26, 27, it says … So God created man in his own image, in the image of God, created He him, male and female
created He them. And God blessed them and God said unto them, ‘Be fruitful and multiply and replenish the Earth.’

So there it is in scriptures, the Lord told Adam and Eve to have sex, right after He created them. And there is no reason to believe,
that these two, natural and normal and healthy individuals did not obey the Lord and do what the Lord created them to do. For thereâ
€™s no other way for them to reproduce unless they ‘made love’ together. Therefore, reading directly from scriptures, â
€˜having sex’ was the not the first sin but the FIRST COMMANDMENT. For the Lord designed them to fit together and be
together, so neither would be ‘ALONE’. And so that together ‘they shall be ONE FLESH.’ (Genesis 2: 18, 24).

Reading further, in Genesis 2:25, the Word of God states .. ‘And they were both naked, the man and the wife and were not
ashamed.’ In other words, they were not embarrassed in seeing their nakedness. There was and is nothing evil about being naked.
But then came trouble into paradise, as the serpent started telling Adam and Eve that the Lord was a liar and hadn’t told them
the truth.

Genesis 3: 1-4 states ‘And he (the serpent) said unto the woman, Yea, hath God said, Ye shall not eat of every tree of the
garden. And the woman said unto the serpent, We may eat of the fruit of the trees of the garden: But of the fruit of the tree which is
in the midst of the garden, God hath said, Ye shall not eat of it, neither shall you touch it, lest ye die.’ And the serpent said unto
the woman, Ye shall NOT surely die.’

There it is, the devil as a serpent blatantly tells Eve, that God told her a lie. He tells her, that the tree in the midst of the garden will
bring them life and not death, just the opposite of what the Lord told her. He was saying that God lied to them and then he goes and
blames God by saying …. For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then shall your eyes be opened and ye shall be as gods,
knowing good and evil. (Genesis 3:5) But wait a minute, Eve’s eyes were already open. Eve already knew good, and so all the
devil could offer her was the knowledge of evil.

And when she ‘saw that the tree (of good and EVIL) was good for food and that it was pleasant to the eyes and a tree to be
desired to make one wise, she took of the fruit thereof and did eat. (Genesis 3: 6a)

Did this have anything at all to do with sex and sexuality… absolutely NOT. Nowhere is it mentioned here that sex was evil. Eveâ
€™s sin was believing the devil, when he contradicted the Lord, and then obeying the devil in eating the devil’s tree of evil. So
don’t think of this tree as good and evil. There was nothing good at all about his tree. But what does Eve do, she ate and then …â
€™gave also unto her husband with her and he did eat.’ (Genesis 3: 6b)

Yes, she passed on her sin, by encouraging her husband, Adam to eat of the evil tree, and he did. But don’t blame Eve for his
sin, he had the choice and made the wrong one, just like Eve. So they were both guilty, and that was the original sin and the FALL of
Mankind. And it die bring death to them and their children which includes us, physically and spiritually, just like the Lord said it
would do.

And did the fruit make them wise and gods and did it open their eyes ? NO, for Genesis goes on to say … And the eyes of them
BOTH were opened and they knew they were naked. (Genesis 3: 7). The devil’s fruit opened their eyes to evil not good. It
clouded their vision so instead of seeing the beauty of God’s fantastically created images, their new evil wisdom told them they
were naked and shameful in their nudity. For instead of liberating them to further joys and ecstasies, the devil’s fruit when eaten,
made them aware that they were naked and therefore should be ashamed. (SEE Made in His Image). So rather than opening their
eyes, it closed their eyes to the BEAUTY of themselves and each other. This is the devil’s wisdom and fruit.

Did it make them wise, NO, absolutely not. All they gained from the serpent, was the wisdom of evil, because that is all he is full
of. For as the Lord said about the devil later, ‘He abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaks a lie, he
speaks of his own for he is a liar and the father of it.' (John 8: 44).

So what is the Original Sin ? Well it wasn’t sex, but the knowledge of evil. And in the devil’s world, he can try and entice us
with his lies and half truths whether taught to us in his schools, universities, seminaries, via our national or tribal or religious
customs, or through a myriad of other ways. And even though we may hear his lies, we don't have to believe them, obey them or put
them into practice. For that's a sin and that was the original sin of Adam and Eve..

Their actions in the Garden were possible because the Lord gave them FREE CHOICE. And yet rather than thier choice bringing
liberation and freedom, Adam and Eve's poor choice in believeing the devil brought them shame for being naked. The Lord hadn't told
them to be ashamed of pure innocent nakedness, the devil had. He surely told them, sex was evil and that they were naked. This
Adam and Eve were never aware of before, and yet now after their terrible decision and the FALL, they ….. ‘sewed fig leaves
together and made themselves aprons.’ (Genesis 3: 7b).

Did the fig leaves work….. NO. For after a discussion with the Lord concerning their tragic mistake, Adam blamed Eve, Eve blamed
the serpent, and they just wouldn't take responsibility for their sin. They continued to shift the blame and cover-up even more. And
yet the Lord in His MERCY…… made them a covering. ‘For ‘Unto Adam and also to his wife, did the Lord God make a coat
of skins, and clothed them. (Genesis 3; 21).


Part 2 coming up.... from http://www.davidjayjordan.com/OriginalSinwasNotSex.html

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Davidjayjordan wrote:
The Lord created all things and then created the method to recreate all living things.

It didn't take billions of years of trial and error in getting it in and functioning, it just worked by design from the
BEGINNING.
but adam and eve were brother and sister. god created incest and said it was ok. that's why we should allow full body contact between siblings and why god's laws are wrong.
Genesis 2:22-23

And the rib, which the Lord God had taken from man, made he a woman, and brought her unto the man.

And Adam said, This is now bone of my bones, and flesh of my flesh: she shall be called Woman, because she was taken out of Man.

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I don't know of many Christians that believe the original sin was sex. I'm not saying there are none but I haven't personally met many. God blessed Adam and Eve and commanded them to make babies, so clearly he wanted them to have sex so those babies would be conceived.
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JehovahsWitness wrote: [Replying to post 1 by Davidjayjordan]

I don't know of many Christians that believe the original sin was sex. I'm not saying there are none but I haven't personally met many. God blessed Adam and Eve and commanded them to make babies, so clearly he wanted them to have sex so those babies would be conceived.

"Some Fundamentalists and Pentecostals still believe that sex itself was the original sin" - Puritan Children in Exile:
By Gerald Garth Johnson

The people who promulgate it today are the Serpent Seed Cult, http://www.endtimemessage.info/originalsin.htm:
It will be difficult for many readers to believe this, but of a truth, it was SEX or ADULTERY with the SERPENT that caused the fall of EVE and ADAM, through which sin came into the world and brought each of us under its curse.
PCE Theology as I see it...

We had an existence with a free will in Sheol before the creation of the physical universe. Here we chose to be able to become holy or to be eternally evil in YHWH's sight. Then the physical universe was created and all sinners were sent to earth.

This theology debunks the need to base Christianity upon the blasphemy of creating us in Adam's sin.

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Davidjayjordan wrote:
For, sex was created by design by the Designer and that for more than just procreation but for recreation and unification as well....

The original Sin of Adam and Eve was not sex. Sex had nothing to do with the fall of mankind....

But of the fruit of the tree which is in the midst of the garden, God hath said, Ye shall not eat of it, neither shall you touch it,...

Did this have anything at all to do with sex and sexuality… absolutely NOT. Nowhere is it mentioned here that sex was evil.
I think you're building a false dichotomy similar to that of those who argue for prostitution. They'll say: "Are you against sex?" ANS: No. "Are you against private enterprise?" ANS: No. Then why would you be against prostitution?

God didn't just produce sexual machines and tell them to get to work reproducing themselves. Most would conclude that reproduction or procreation within this context is confined to sex between Adam and Eve. However, if you look at the word "touch" in the Hebrew, it has a sexual connotation. "nâgaʻ, naw-gah'; a primitive root; properly, to touch, i.e. lay the hand upon (for any purpose; euphemistically, to lie with a woman);" Are we to believe that "fruit" has no connotation other than fruit that is eaten? Haven't we seen fruit used to refer to that which is created in the womb, as in "fruit of the womb"?

While it may be true that nowhere within that text does it explicitly refer to sex as evil, there are many contexts that do make this claim e.g. fornication, adultery, bestiality, etc. While this may not seem relevant, it is in that the consequences of this sin are related to sex.

With Adam, he now has to go out and work much harder to sustain himself; himself being he, Eve, and his family. This is a gender role. Eve now has to bear children in pain. Why would this be an issue if it had nothing to do with sex in the first place??? Aren't the consequences of sin somehow related to the sins themselves? This is an empirical fact, isn't it? gluttony results in obesity, drunkenness results in liver failure and a whole host of afflictions related to drinking too much alcohol. Fornication results in unwanted pregnancies, etc.

What should be most disturbing is the statements that God makes to the serpent. He makes references to his "seed". Does the seed have nothing to do with sex? How does one reproduce if they have no seed???

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