YahDough wrote:
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Replying to post 5 by Checkpoint]
It would be wise for a Christian believer to consider
fornication as any sexuall activity that is outside the confines of a marriage sanctioned by God and recognised by man. That would (hopefully) cover activities that would keep a person outside the Kingdom of God,
1Cor:6:9: Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,
Do you even understand what Paul was up against with the Corinthians? Members of the church were still visiting the pagan temple prostitutes.
Do you understand those people were
not members of the Church.
Yah doesn't bind people together by some ritual ceremony. They are bound together by intercourse itself.
No Weh. , Yah (God) binds His people together by the Holy Ghost Spirit of Truth.
Besides that, inheritance within the kingdom and being in the kingdom are two different things and the definition of fornication has changed from ancient times to modern times.
No Weh. You cannot be out of the Kingdom of God now, and expect to get in it later. God makes the rules regarding fornication and those rules never change. You cannot justify sex sin.
The topic is the biblical meaning of fornication, not our modern day society bias applied to scripture.
No kidding. Here I thought that was what you were trying to do.
The sexual laws were not even in place during the time of Noah with the exception of the law against adultery. It was because of the practices of the pagan worship that Yah gave sexual law to the Israelites because of what the neighboring nations were doing.
What I am saying is not justifying sexual sin. I am saying there is no sin unless it violates a specific law of what is forbidden and there is plenty of lawful sex outside of a marriage. You don't marry a concubine, you just start a sexual relationship. By modern day ideals Abraham would be guilty of adultery for getting Hagar pregnant. He didn't marry her, he took her as a sexual partner. Just because the english gets translated as 'to be his wife' doesn't mean they had a marriage ceremony. She was a slave that became a sex slave. The act of becoming sexually involved is all that is implied.
King David had many MANY wives, concubines and virgins. Yah even told him if that wasn't enough, He would give David more. David's sin was taking another man's wife and killing him to cover it up.
2 Sa 12:
8 And I gave thee thy master’s house, and thy master’s wives into thy bosom, and gave thee the house of Israel and of Judah; and if that had been too little, I would moreover have given unto thee such and such things.
9 Wherefore hast thou despised the commandment of the LORD, to do evil in his sight? thou hast killed Uriah the Hittite with the sword, and hast taken his wife to be thy wife, and hast slain him with the sword of the children of Ammon.
David had Saul's harem. The ONLY sexual sin David got in trouble for was Bathsheba. He equated the number of woman David had as a 'exceeding many flocks and herds'. And if that wasn't enough, Yah would give him more but he wanted another man's wife. Did Nathan say that having so many sexual partners, David was in sin? No.
2 The rich man had
exceeding many flocks and herds:
3 But the poor man had nothing, save one little ewe lamb, which he had bought and nourished up: and it grew up together with him, and with his children; it did eat of his own meat, and drank of his own cup, and lay in his bosom, and was unto him as a daughter.
4 And there came a traveller unto the rich man, and he spared to take of his own flock and of his own herd, to dress for the wayfaring man that was come unto him; but took the poor man’s lamb, and dressed it for the man that was come to him.
5 And David’s anger was greatly kindled against the man; and he said to Nathan, As the LORD liveth, the man that hath done this thing shall surely die:
6 And he shall restore the lamb fourfold, because he did this thing, and because he had no pity.
7 And Nathan said to David, Thou art the man. Thus saith the LORD God of Israel, I anointed thee king over Israel, and I delivered thee out of the hand of Saul;
Women could not have sex with more then one man at a time but men were allowed many sexual partners at a time. It was all about protection of the children conceived, not that sex is evil. Yah is all about sexual responsibility for the sake of the children or preventing conflict for taking another man's woman.
As to the Corinthians not being members of the church, that is nonsense. Paul had to deal with one individual in the church that taught that since Christians should share everything, share your wives as well. That man was cast out for a time until he repented. He was sleeping with his own step-mother.
When I was young, I had a coven that was trying to kill me but their death curses wouldn't work. They found out the reason as being I had not violated any law of Yah that carried a death penalty so they tried to get lead me into sin that would let them kill me. By the end of the conflict I had multiply wives and concubines but still they couldn't kill me because none of it was sin that carried a death penalty. Their own curses rebound on them because of their sexual sins. They were recreating the worship of the groves with orgies. They were in sexual sin, I wasn't.
The sexual sin of the worship of the pagan gods is what scripture means by fornication most of the time. It was rampant in the OT times and what the prophets were battling against. It was the sex that was the draw into the paganism. It was also the same problem in the NT with the gentiles in the church. They were to refrain from the sexual immorality of the pagan temples.
As to justifying sexual sin, I have been celibate for most of the last 25 years since the loss of my 1st wife.
I am TOTALLY secure of my position and inheritance in the kingdom. I am a prophet of Yah that has done battle against the pagan sexual practices and seen Yah destroy the covens. They repented or died.
You will be the one standing in judgement for telling people they are in sin when they are not. That is one of the major sins of the Pharisees.
13 But woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye shut up the kingdom of heaven against men: for ye neither go in yourselves, neither suffer ye them that are entering to go in.
The enemy uses sex as the number one way to drive people away from and hate Yah because of people like you that attack them and tell them they are not qualified to enter the kingdom. It is a doctrine rooted in Baal worship requiring sexual celibacy unless sanctioned by the priests. It is also the root of the celibacy of the priesthood in the Catholic church. Some of the priest of Baal were even castrated to force celibacy yet Yah requires a man to have functioning testicles to qualify for any priestly position. It was ONLY the members of the high priesthood that were to have ONLY one wife and marry a virgin. It wasn't a requirement for any of the rest of the priesthood or the general populous of Israel.
You are trying to push the highest standards applied to the high priesthood upon all to even enter the kingdom and you are serving the enemy in doing so. That will get you a 'Woe unto you'. You are cursing your own life by trying to be a meddlesome busybody in the matter of other men's lives. That ranks right up there with the sins of murderer, thief and evil-doer.
1Pe 4:15 But let none of you suffer as a murderer, or as a thief, or as an evildoer, or as a
busybody in other men’s matters.
The ancient paganism and the conflicts against it is my area of expertise in the role of a prophet to stand against it. That includes the sexual sins involved in those doctrines and practices. The simple truth is your not qualified to determine what is and is not sexual sin in others. You have to understand why something is sin. Then if you are not a man with functioning testicles you are instantly disqualified into judging sexual matter of other men because that is a requirement of any priestly position.
With your ignorance, you are not qualified so I will leave you with Yah's statement to Job.
Job 38:2 Who is this that darkeneth counsel by words without knowledge?
3 Gird up now thy loins like a man; for I will demand of thee, and answer thou me.
The error of Phariseeism is to take what is sin in the law and put a fence around it to include anything even remotely close and calling it sin for anyone that violates their added expansion of the law. Then they attack anyone that doesn't bow to their added traditions of man. That is what got Yeshua crucified for following Yah's law not man's expansions to the law.
Mt 23:15 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye compass sea and land to make one proselyte, and when he is made, ye make him twofold more the child of hell than yourselves.
That is exactly what is going on in the church today with the modern day expanded definition of fornication.