Homosexuality does not equal anal penetration.

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Homosexuality does not equal anal penetration.

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I often encounter arguments that argue homosexuality is immoral based on the idea that anal sex is bad for you.

This is a incomplete and failed idea specifically because anal sex is not the only form of homosexual intercourse nor is it limited to homosexuality.
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I often encounter arguments that argue homosexuality is immoral based on the idea that anal sex is bad for you.

This is a incomplete and failed idea specifically because anal sex is not the only form of homosexual intercourse nor is it limited to homosexuality.
That is one of many arguments to understand the obvious wrongness. We do recognize harm done as legitimate reasons pointing to why something is right/wrong. In addition, we become scientists and use our method of observation and look at the shape/form of something which tells us something about a thing’s function/purpose. A man and a woman clearly “fit together� from a biological stand point. Their parts literally were made for each other. Not only can that not be said for two people of the same sex, but what the overwhelming majority of men who have sex with men do to express their sexuality with one another is to engage in anal sex which is at a very obvious level ‘not proper use’ – the anus was not intended to receive foreign objects (something that can be know via observation of the science/facts/nature) into it and doing so can cause damage and harm. It is also interesting to note how sex between two people of the same sex, whether men or women is always sterile – never life giving. Why has nature not made it possible for two people of the same sex to have children? Do children need a mother and a father? These are important questions to ask. Then of course there is the science showing those who engage in homosexual lifestyle have higher rates of depression, mental health issues, substance abuse problems, domestic violence abuse, and higher suicide rates. It is becoming harder and harder to equate this with the result of some kind of “homophobia� seeing how homosexuality is quite PC these days and becoming more and more celebrated and supported as we speak. Reason, logic, science, and observation of the way the world works indicates that same sex relationships are not in man’s best interest. They appear to be intrinsically disordered – a violation of the natural moral order. Therefore, wrong and not something that can help man achieve true human fulfillment.

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anus was not intended to receive foreign objects (something that can be know via observation of the science/facts/nature) into it and doing so can cause damage and harm.


From Wikipedia:

The abundance of nerve endings in the anal region and rectum can make anal sex pleasurable for men or women.[4][2][5] The internal and external sphincter muscles control the opening and closing of the anus; these muscles, which are sensitive membranes made up of many nerve endings, facilitate pleasure or pain during anal sex.[2][5] The Human Sexuality: An Encyclopedia states that "the inner third of the anal canal is less sensitive to touch than the outer two-thirds, but is more sensitive to pressure" and that "the rectum is a curved tube about eight or nine inches long and has the capacity, like the anus, to expand".[5]
Observation facts and nature tell me the Anus can provide physical and mental sexual stimulation. Observation and facts tell me the Anus can accommodate most erect penises given the average length is 6.5". Observation and facts tell me the sphincter can be relaxed to accommodate penetration.

While there is a possibility for harm, there is also a possibility of pleasure. Nature also points out that a variety of species also engage in anal intercourse for a variety of reasons.

If your argument rests on the idea that it is wrong because it can cause damage or harm then it is a failed argument since holding hands having vaginal intercourse kissing sharing water can all cause damage or harm. We don't render these as immoral because there are also benefits. Your argument is incomplete and doesn't objectively follow all the facts. You are presenting an non objective argument while selectively editing your "facts" .
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Observation facts and nature tell me the Anus can provide physical and mental sexual stimulation. Observation and facts tell me the Anus can accommodate most erect penises given the average length is 6.5". Observation and facts tell me the sphincter can be relaxed to accommodate penetration.
Again, a man can get pleasure from sticking his penis into a bee hive – doesn’t mean man was intended to do so. In fact, several facts, just like with anal sex, would indicate that it is not good/right for man to stick it in a bee hive or an anus – even if it feels good. The anus does not provide natural lubrication, the anus has thin membranes that can tear/rupture easily, disease and bacteria are more likely to spread via anal sex than vaginal, and anal sex is always sterile – making the function of a sperm depositing penis superfluous.
While there is a possibility for harm, there is also a possibility of pleasure. Nature also points out that a variety of species also engage in anal intercourse for a variety of reasons.
And once again, you fail to understand natural law. Natural Law applies to human beings – not other animals. Natural Law is what we can know to be right/good/wrong/bad for human beings – as it is based on observation of man and the world he lives in.

And the possibility of pleasure alone is not solely what we would use as a determining factor for what is right/good.
If your argument rests on the idea that it is wrong because it can cause damage or harm then it is a failed argument
It doesn’t, as explained several times now, though again harm done is more of consequence of not doing what is right – it is often a clue that something is not good/right.

since holding hands having vaginal intercourse kissing sharing water can all cause damage or harm.
Lame. And I think you know it. The old, “you could die just walking across the street argument�

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Again, a man can get pleasure from sticking his penis into a bee hive – doesn’t mean man was intended to do so
I am unaware that a man can get pleasure from sticking his penis into a beehive. Now there are some cases of men using stinging insects such as bees to cause swelling on their genitals. However, this is hardly comparable and just a bad analogy.


The anus is on a human body, a bee hive is not. The anus has a circumference and length that can accommodate a penis, a bee hive does not. A beehive can contain hundreds of painfully stinging insects an anus does not.

The anus can accommodate a penis.
The anus can give pleasure to the one being penetrated(even causing climax with ejaculation)
The anus can be lubricated via saliva hence the practice of oral sex around the anus and oral sex on the penis.

On the downside anal sex can be painful for some, and it is more likely to transmit certain kinds of std's.

Vaginal sex can be painful for some individuals, and std's are still possible to be transmitted.

When you look at the whole picture, anal sex has more benefits to those who enjoy it than negatives. It is not for everyone hence the majority do not perform it. Some individuals it works just fine if not more preferable.
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Lame. And I think you know it. The old, “you could die just walking across the street argument�
It is not "lame", sharing water is a very easy way to transmit disease, holding hands also can be a disease vector, same with vaginal intercourse. All of these care the same, greater, or similar risks of disease.

The most deadly pandemic in the modern era was the 1918 flu pandemic that killed 50-100 million people. Primarily spread through saliva. That includes sneezing, coughing, kissing, and holding hands as disease vectors. By contrast HIV which can be spread both via the anus or vagina among other minor disease vectors has only claimed 35 million since its discovery.

Practicing safe sex anal or vaginal greatly reduces your risk of transmission. You can essentially take the harm out of anal sex altogether.
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anal sex is always sterile – making the function of a sperm depositing penis superfluous.
Sex is more than reproduction is social animals. It has many functions besides "making babies". There are many superfluous things our bodies do, superfluous elements are not indicative of morality.

What about men and women who are sterile? Is it immoral for the, to have sex as well? This whole angle is moot from this fact alone.
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And once again, you fail to understand natural law. Natural Law applies to human beings – not other animals. Natural Law is what we can know to be right/good/wrong/bad for human beings – as it is based on observation of man and the world he lives in.

And the possibility of pleasure alone is not solely what we would use as a determining factor for what is right/good.
Now your asking for special pleading, you can't invoke "science" as you did previously while asking for special pleading. Man is a part of nature holding man separate from nature is special pleading. Which is why I don't recognize natural law. I observe anal sex in human behavior, for many it is a good enriching element in their lives. I observe anal sex in nature for various reasons it has a variety of positive aspects to the species that employ it, such as bonobos for instance. As well as elephants.

Harm or pleasure alone is not what we use to determine morality. We look at the whole picture. Hence why I disagree with your observation. On the whole two or more consenting adults who practice anal sex should not be labeled as immoral. They should be allowed to determine if it is appropriate for themselves.
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When you look at the whole picture, anal sex has more benefits to those who enjoy it than negatives.
Drug addicts and cigarette smokers would make the same argument. However, that doesn’t make it true and it certainly doesn’t make it right/good.
You can essentially take the harm out of anal sex altogether.
Your words downplay the seriousness of the situation and actually lack compassion. Watch this video. I wouldn’t wish this upon any young person. The statistics are chilling.




Now your asking for special pleading, you can't invoke "science" as you did previously while asking for special pleading. Man is a part of nature holding man separate from nature is special pleading. Which is why I don't recognize natural law.
Aaaaaaand again . . . your words prove you do not understand natural law.
I observe anal sex in human behavior, for many it is a good enriching element in their lives.
The facts do not support this. A person engaged in an adulterous affair could make the same argument. That of course has nothing to do with the immorality of their behavior.
I observe anal sex in nature for various reasons it has a variety of positive aspects to the species that employ it, such as bonobos for instance. As well as elephants.
Animals do not have control of their passions like human beings. Humans are able to reason and use their intellect to make choices that affect their long term happiness and fulfillment. The animal kingdom is not subject to the same laws/rules as we are. A lion is not immoral if he steals his dinner from his neighbor.
Harm or pleasure alone is not what we use to determine morality.
Never said it was. You continue to argue a straw man. We can know what is right/good vs. wrong/bad via shape/form/function/purpose/science/order/observation/reason and logic.
We look at the whole picture.
Bingo.
two or more consenting adults who practice anal sex should not be labeled as immoral. They should be allowed to determine if it is appropriate for themselves.
And yet when we observe a bulimic, we say their behavior is disordered and wrong and we advise they need help/support because we recognize their behavior is not properly ordered and if we truly cared about them we would not just fall back on – they have the right to do what they think makes them happy. Of course, people can do whatever they like – that’s neither here nor there and does not change if what they are doing is right/good.

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Your words downplay the seriousness of the situation and actually lack compassion. Watch this video. I wouldn’t wish this upon any young person. The statistics are chilling
No they don't, the rise of sexually transmitted diseases among young adults has more to do with a lack of sex education than the practice of anal sex. As homosexuality is typically a flat percentage of the population with minor shifts up or down between generations. If there is any rise in STD transmission it is a sign of individuals not practicing safe sex rather than an increase in anal sex.

Maybe if it is so chilling you should spend more of your efforts championing sex education and the practice of safe sex instead of condemning homosexuals.
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