Debating Christianity and Religion

The idea is, that sex among heterosexuals, every so often, produces children. And clearly, when it does, the care and upbringing of those children is the priority. While fiction is often mostly about sex, fact is often mostly about children.

So, this observation leads me to wonder whether sex that cannot produce children, because it is masturbation, or because of contraception, or because it is homosexual in nature, is or is not a moral issue. Who cares, other than those engaged and pleasured, and why should they? By what right do they think they have any involvement, at all?

eg:

The Catechism of the Catholic Church (CCC) teaches that the sexual function is meant by God to be enjoyed in "the total meaning of mutual self-giving" (CCC, n. 2352) within the marital relationship of a man and a woman.

On what rational basis is this assertion made? How does Catholicism come to think itself privy to God's purposes for sex, and what is its justification for this presumption?

Best wishes, 2RM.

[Replying to post 19 by FWI]

To be fair, you did say sex is only for productive purposes.

[Replying to post 20 by Bust Nak]

To be fair, you did say sex is for productive purposes.

Yes, I did (several times). But, cherry-picking certain comments of mine and ignoring the full context of my point would not be considered fair. This could easily be classified as deception.

[Replying to post 19 by FWI]


Thanks to the marvels of modern technology, your state was reviewable.

So, when we review the recorded documents and facts, it is clear that God’s purpose for sex is only for productive purposes, not just general pleasures.

So again I ask you, what do your recorded facts say about the reproductive purposes of the clitoris, since it is clearly not there for general pleasure?

tryme wrote: [Replying to post 19 by FWI]


Thanks to the marvels of modern technology, your state was reviewable.

So, when we review the recorded documents and facts, it is clear that God’s purpose for sex is only for productive purposes, not just general pleasures.

So again I ask you, what do your recorded facts say about the reproductive purposes of the clitoris, since it is clearly not there for general pleasure?

It's purposes are to encourage reproduction and social bonding, as is the maternal instinct and the female desire for paternal acceptance. However, that is not the best argument for fraternal guidelines, which is what constitutes RCC doctrine. The best argument is freedom of association. If the RCC, or any other organization for that matter, chooses to recognize procreation as the primary and only sanctified purpose for sex, they are justified in denying recognition of anyone who rejects that tenet from membership it that association.

[Replying to post 22 by tryme]

So again I ask you, what do your recorded facts say about the reproductive purposes of the clitoris, since it is clearly not there for general pleasure?

The reproductive purpose of the clitoris is “repetitiveness� within the confinements of a heterosexual marriage. Thus, any general sexual pleasure outside this union is not within the scope of the true intent of the sex act.

[Replying to post 22 by tryme]

So again I ask you, what do your recorded facts say about the reproductive purposes of the clitoris, since it is clearly not there for general pleasure?

The reproductive purpose of the clitoris is “repetitiveness� within the confinements of a heterosexual marriage. Thus, any general sexual pleasure outside this union is not within the scope of the true intent of the sex act.

[Replying to bluethread]

If the RCC, or any other organization for that matter, chooses to recognize procreation as the primary and only sanctified purpose for sex,

The Catholic Church does NOT say procreation is the ONLY purpose of sex.

But you are correct, if a person does not accept Catholic teaching then it's quite simple -- don't be Catholic and why would they want to be a member of a group they think is wrong?

FWI wrote: The reproductive purpose of the clitoris is “repetitiveness� within the confinements of a heterosexual marriage.

This certainly can't be determined by a study of anatomy. What is the source of this assertion?

Thus, any general sexual pleasure outside this union is not within the scope of the true intent of the sex act.

Given that the clitoris functions perfectly in heterosexual, homosexual and solo sexual acts outside of marriage, this assertion isn't supported by experience. Once again, what is the source of this assertion?

RightReason wrote:
The Catholic Church does NOT say procreation is the ONLY purpose of sex.

Given the actions of many of it's priests, and the cover-up by the hierarchy, it's clear that the Catholic Church doesn't believe procreation is the ONLY purpose of sex. Clearly it has been used by the "fathers" to exercise perverted domination and humiliation of the weak.

[Replying to post 27 by Tcg]

Given the actions of many of it's priests, and the cover-up by the hierarchy, it's clear that the Catholic Church doesn't believe procreation is the ONLY purpose of sex. Clearly it has been used by the "fathers" to exercise perverted domination and humiliation of the weak.

Wow, did you come up with that all on your own? You so cleva!