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Do you support Christian hatred for gays?

I was inspired to broach this topic after reading a column in the January 2020 issue of Scientific American. The column written by the editors is entitled Time's Up for "Anti-Gay Therapy." According to those editors:
Although medical and psychological associations have asked explicitly that Congress and state governments ban anti-gay conversion (by Christians), there has been a backlash from (Christian) groups like the Liberty Council, which promotes "evangelical values."
The column condemns the "detestable practice" of the attempt by many Christians to alter a person's homosexuality because the practice does "irreparable harm" to people. Forty-two percent of a subgroup who have had this "therapy" inflicted on them have committed suicide.

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EarthScienceguy wrote:]The penalty for any sin is death. But everyone is not dead so that means that God must be having mercy on many more than He is pronouncing judgment on.

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Or, perhaps, that your god isn’t real. That would certainly fit the facts equally well.
Most of the time attractions in the sexual arena come from the immoral thoughts that we allow ourselves to have.
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Surely Christ is in control of all things right now at this very moment? So he’s allowing your thoughts, as well as those of everyone else who might be considering any number of abhorrent actions such as rape or murder. How very holy of him.
Christianity has not changed its belief system to accommodate scientific thought.

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[Replying to post 145 by EarthScienceguy]
The facts are that homosexuals are not made that way. "Massive Study Finds No Single Genetic Cause of Same-Sex Sexual Behavior"
Then how do they explain homosexual behaviour throughout the animal kingdom?
Homosexual behavior in animals: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homosexua ... etic_basis
I guess some penguins just choose to be gay and they don't have the necessary intelligence to pray the gay away. Also, not being surrounded by bigots, they don't have to fight the prejudices experienced by their human counterparts.

Note also that "Massive Study Finds No Single Genetic Cause of Same-Sex Sexual Behavior". It's undoubtedly not that simple an issue.
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Gender ideology is anti-science, anti truth.

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[Replying to post 148 by EarthScienceguy]
There is a difference between homosexual action and homosexual attraction. Attraction does not have to be acted on.
I wrote the following in response to FWI but I would also like to address it to you if you would care to respond.
Your focus is on the activity of sex rather than sexual attraction. While one can choose to engage in any activity, sexual or otherwise, that is quite distinct from the innate desire to do so. Why does same sex attraction even exist? Have you felt any sexual attraction for people of the same gender as yourself? Do you feel that you could choose to feel sexual attraction for people of the same gender as yourself? If not, you should perhaps ask yourself why that is the case. Note how these questions do not relate to engagement in any sexual activity where there is clearly a choice involved. From a religious perspective, you have to wonder why God made same sex attraction even possible.
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[Replying to post 151 by brunumb]
Also, not being surrounded by bigots, they don't have to fight the prejudices experienced by their human counterparts.
There's a lot of truth in that statement.
It's one thing to know deep within yourself from no other outside stimuli that something is right/wrong. But when your surroundings - your society - needs to tell you it's right/wrong....that, in of itself, is telling.

But I guess we're all clouded by sin and the devil etc etc etc...... :-s

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EarthScienceguy wrote: There is a difference between homosexual action and homosexual attraction. Attraction does not have to be acted on.
Exactly what constitutes a 'homosexual action'?

Would that include hugging a same-sex person? Patting them on the rear? Being nude together?

If 'homosexual action' occurs in private, HOW is it known by anyone other than the people involved? Spying?

Or, do bigots simply use their imagination?
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Those who are opposed to 'homosexual action', should perhaps stop engaging in such actions, stop fantasizing, stop watching gay porn, AND stop minding the business of others.
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You're not answering my questions again! Please answer them: Why would you oppose addressing a high rate of suicide among gays as a threat to the public health? And why do you oppose society taking action to decrease any such high suicide rate among gays?
I did you just do not like my answer.
Everybody, please observe that ESG is dodging my questions.
Maybe your brothers will beat the odds of the dangerous activity they are engaging in.
I spoke to one of my brothers last night. He told me that homosexuals become suicidal as a result of their being mistreated.
...if someone would have been brave enough to talk to Alexander the Great about the homosexual acts in his life he might not have died in his thirties.
How did Alexander's being gay cause him to die? We really don't know for sure what killed Alexander, so your pretending to know is misleading.
...therapy with a valid scientific basis may well help gay men to enjoy gay sex without any such side-effects.
This would be your belief. The facts indicate that it does.
How is my recommending science to help gays a "belief"? Every time I mention science, you oppose it.
Do you support an effort on the part of scientists to develop such a therapy if homosexuals can benefit from it?
It seems as if you are intent on asking questions like this so let me put it like this.

It would would be totally unloving to support an activity that hurts people's body, mind and spirit like all research says homosexual acts do. Why would I support an activity that has the same implications as supporting people to do criminal acts.
You're dodging another question. I must assume, then, that you oppose the development of scientifically-valid therapies to help homosexuals. Your opposition is based on your Christian belief that homosexuals are sinners who must be punished.
So which scientific study that I have sighted pseudoscience?
For starters, Christian anti-gay therapy is based on outmoded psychology that assumed that gays are mentally ill. This bad science has been done away with in the scientific community, but many anti-gay Christians still find it useful to bash gays.
Yes I do because of the reasons I sighted. A twelve month study is not at all long enough to access anything.
How long should the study be? One day longer than its duration?
Christians would not be in favor of homosexual acts and they would be convicted of homosexual acts and warn people of the perils of the sin. What the Bible says about homosexual acts is no secret. Even the title of this strings declares the view Christianity takes on homosexuality. If anyone does not believe that the teaches that homosexuality is a sin then they are not a Christian.
What you're saying here is exactly why so many Christians are "gays in the closet." They fear to admit they are gay.
What? Do you have any documentation on this assertion?
There's plenty of evidence for the universality of homosexuality. You're not going to find it if you don't look. Here's Cross-Cultural Evidence for the Genetics of Homosexuality for starters.
But the individuals in these horrible situation still do not commit suicide the rates homosexuals do.
Please post the rates of suicide among gays versus other groups.
If they do not want to be convicted of their sin then yes they should avoid the Bible.
You know full well that the Bible demands that sexually active gays be murdered. It's very inconsistent to claim you don't want them harmed, yet you bow down to a killer god who wants them dead.
I am not sure if getting yelled at necessarily has to lead to destructive behavior.
May we try it on you to find out?
But one would have to wonder about the Christianity of those yelling these kind of comments also.
Oh no--it's the "no true Christian" fallacy. Is it OK with you if I insist that Stalin could not have been an atheist because I assume atheists cannot become dictators?
Christians are to love their neighbors. Yelling "God hates fags" is not loving.
Then what do you call executing them? Too bad Jesus didn't bother to command his followers to repudiate the barbaric law of Moses. Jesus was too busy telling them to "love." Evidently Jesus' love did not prohibit murdering gays.
What is it that you believe we are turning a blind eye to?
You turn a blind eye to all the harm your religion does to people, and not just gays.
Are you speaking of the judgement of sin in the Old Testament?
I'm referring to the barbarism of the entire Bible.
There is a difference between homosexual action and homosexual attraction.
Again, dodging my questions. Can you choose to be gay? Is it some tempting sin for you?

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[Replying to post 155 by Zzyzx]
Those who are opposed to 'homosexual action', should perhaps stop engaging in such actions, stop fantasizing, stop watching gay porn, AND stop minding the business of others.
Precisely. The irony is that many heterosexual couples engage in some of the so-called homosexual activities themselves. :?
Didn't someone once say let he who is without sin cast the first stone. Problem is that by not casting a stone you are effectively admitting to sinning. Better to cast stones with the rest of the crowd. Oh dear.
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[Replying to post 143 by brunumb]
brunumb wrote:Your focus is on the activity of sex rather than sexual attraction.


Of course, I focus on the activity…This is where the problems lie…Attraction is an interest or admiration for someone. I have these types of feelings for my parents, brothers and sisters, friends, co-workers and even some strangers. But, I don't have a desire to have sex with them! Thus, when this happens to others there are mental health and/or moral issues involved.
brunumb wrote:Why does same sex attraction even exist?


As mentioned above, same sex attraction is a mental health and/or moral issue and can have many different types of causes. Some include: weak masculine and feminine identity, distrust of men/women, gender identity disorder, narcissism and profound selfishness and dysfunctional family life.
brunumb wrote:Have you felt any sexual attraction for people of the same gender as yourself? Do you feel that you could choose to feel sexual attraction for people of the same gender as yourself? If not, you should perhaps ask yourself why that is the case.


No! and No! The reason is because I don't have any mental health and/or moral issues in this area…
brunumb wrote:From a religious perspective, you have to wonder why God made same sex attraction even possible.


No, I really don't wonder about such things. My position has been made clear: Attraction is normal and same sex attraction is abnormal. Thus, certain individuals may experience an abnormal attraction, but this is not considered a sin. Thus, when the abnormal feeling is acted upon it then falls into a different category...So, for actions that are good for mankind, there is the opposite that isn't. This allows for choice and can determine ones future or lack of one. Hence, from my religious perspective, sexual activities are only permitted between a male and female of the human species, while in the union of marriage. All other such activities are a choice. Which, when acted on are an abomination…Thus, a sin.

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brunumb wrote: The irony is that many heterosexual couples engage in some of the so-called homosexual activities themselves.
Good point.

Are there any 'activities' that are exclusively performed by homosexuals?
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