DanieltheDragon wrote:
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Replying to post 1392 by DefenderofTruth]
Dude, we had the ability to actually witness and record history. Jesus is historical and so is much of Jewish history from Moses up to David, up to John the Baptist. And the from Peter to Paul, to all the early Christians up to today.
What a leap of faith it would be to say that this all appeared from nothing. Or do you have an explanation of where this stuff came from? Well other then the straight up answer of taking it as is, which isn't true...
Ok the above is what we call a claim, what I am getting at is that it is an unsubstantiated claim. That lacks sufficient evidence to declare it a fact. This has no bearing on the truth of the matter.
Can you provide eye witness accounts of Jesus?
Can you provide a single contemporary account of Jesus and his exploits?
Isn't that what the gospels are? What are you going to scrutinize the authenticity of the authors?
First of all, say we don't even know who wrote it. Lets imagine hypothetically that we have no idea who wrote anything in the Bible (which isn't true in the slightest but for the sake of argument). Say we have no knowledge of any author of the Bible, that doesn't say anything about the content in the Bible, that is what we call a Genetic Fallacy, or "Fallacy of Origins" look it up. It is the
content in which we look to to see if it is true or not, not who wrote it. People believe in the scripture because of the message that is in it, and the actual authors identity has nothing to do with why people believe.
And i'm not an expert on literature in the days of Jesus but a 'single contemporary account of Jesus and his exploits'? There are tons of books about Jesus, dating all the way back to the time itself, if you are saying there is
nothing i see that as nonsense, look at all the information we have on Jesus Christ...
It is abundant... That would be completely irrational to say we have no information on Christ and Christianity.. In fact we probably have more on Christ then anyone that lived in the time period and even people who lived after Jesus... To say there is nothing is ridiculous...
But even if there was NO 'contemporary account of Jesus and his exploits' other then what we have (which is a sure lot), that doesn't say
anything about the content in the Bible and if it is true or not. That would have no baring on it's content at all. Just another irrelevant argument to hold against Christianity.
So whats your point anyways? There is not enough information to investigate the truth of Christianity? Is that what you are saying? That would be so irrational to think like that, there is an abundant amount of info on the topic, more so on Christianity then nearly anything we know of... But even if we had the bare minimal, I mean say an archeologist found 1 single clay pot at an entire excavation, he surely could conclude that people put it there. If we said "there isn't enough information to know" because of only one clay pot, thats nonsense....
When would there ever be enough information?? This kind of scrutiny against Christianity is irrational, i doubt you would hold such irrelevant and irrational arguments agianst
any other kind of knowledge we know about...
Thats because Christ is the Son of God and you yourself demonstrate the power that is held in the name of Jesus Christ.