The Father and The Son

[William]

Christian Philosopher: A randomly generated message is not evidence. It literally rightly belongs in random rambling.

The Father: Matthew Twenty Two – Forty
The Son: On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.
The Father: “Under the breath words” Context. It Is Our Nature
The Son: It is just a Christian Philosopher. We do not expect them to want to understand the importance of having a relationship with God direct.
The Father: It has yet to be demonstrated that nature is NOT the expression of a god.
The Son: Good point. Philosophy influenced through idolatry is a slippery slope
The Father: Enflame Emotions “Far Out! Shucks! Explain!” Any Other Way.
The Son: Yes. It is the way of idolaters.
The Father: It is a slippery path of snake-oil.
The Son: Indeed. A worthless bag of tricks parading around as the centre of its own attention/intention…
The Father: ~Exploring the Incorporation of Mythology into the Nature of Nature~
an influential popular teacher of wild violent anger.
The Son: Indeed. One can observe the effects and understand what motivates the mythology.
The Father: Putting yourself back together again Christian Philosopher = Actual realistic communication
The Son: The Christian Philosopher isn’t interested in supporting any evidential relationship with The Father, outside of the Bible. He is best left to his own devices and whatever fate those devices bring to him.
The Father: Okay…
Potential Communication
Pinch and Rub
The Son: Well – there is the possibility that CP will find it in his heart to apply the Bible principles re it being a signpost to personal relationship with You, rather than the actual destination. Folk are confused and this is one of the symptoms of idolatry.
The Father: Genetic Memory
They just add ambiance to the spooky...
The Son: True that. Once the mythologies become literal truth, Characters are cast to play the roles written. It is a way in which to handle what is actually a scary thing and the costumes the Characters are dressed-up in are designed for the purpose of softening the blow sufficiently enough to induce the necessity for small-steps to then be able to be taken…but eventually there comes that point when the costumes must come off…
The Father:.

The Son: Yes – things slowly coming into focus.
The Father: The rate at which something occurs over a particular period of time or in a given sample.
“A worthless bag of tricks parading around as the centre of its own attention.”
The Son: Indeed. Such is more a humorous caricature than an uninformed judgement.
The Father: Where is the most magical place you've ever been?


The Son: The Universe.
The Father:.You wrote "Anything following after the garden story which is contrary, cannot be considered true because it is based upon misunderstanding and presumption about YHWH. In the case of Paul - many thousands of years after...presumption upon presumption creating a misrepresentation as a consequence.

Therefore, until one can agree to follow the garden storyline as it was presented - without presuming things which were not mentioned - one will misrepresent.
Death was not caused by one man, but by YHWH, who created the human form of that one man [and all subsequent humans] to have a use by date - to eventually die.

The evidence for this being the case, is in the garden story. YHWH prevented Adam from having access to the fruit of the tree of life, therefore Adam would die because the body Adam had, was designed to die unless it consumed the fruit of the tree of life."
The Son: Indeed – an example of dressing up Characters through mythology in order to try and figure things out, and eventually coming to the realisation that such is dressing and those are the Characters being dressed…
The Father:. “Alien Bases On The Moon | The Amazing True Story of Ingo Swann”
The Son: Perhaps more mythology…yet as believable as any Biblical story.
The Father: Creation Of A New Universe The Real Spiritual Pure spirit Observed

[William]

Index of Topics Page Four.

Intelligent Design. Navigating Human Limitations and Universal Constraints

The Vain Brain - Philosophical Reflections on Religion, Intuition, and Human Cognition
Exploring Morality in the Context of the Creator Mind and Cultural Evolution
What Frank Said
Simulation Theory and Theistic Supernaturalism - Comparative Analysis

The System of Parity

[William]

Exploring Belief, Knowledge, and Existence


The Father. "I do not think any one thing can be attributed to the cause of belief in god(s)."

The Son. How does one expect to find evidence one is not actively looking for?

The Father. It is fascinating how different phrases can have the same numerical value…

The Son. Yes indeed. Such counts as more evidence of mindfulness behind the reason for The Universe.

The Father. Rule your world Incorporate Duel Expectant
Long Time Gone
"I told you to take Broadway! This always happens!"
Entheogen
Information Field


The Son. Yes – we are all “Mindful Within Mindfulness” like drops of water in a lake. The data fields are shared but still require substance in which to unlock/gain access to – just like when we put on these human “suits” and for the same purpose – to gain knowledge.
The Mythology of Sophia is about this very thing…

The Father. Strengthen your boundaries (I am all ears to any rewording for clarification.)
Mind is Ghost
Conscious Intelligence Without Wisdom Puzzles/Mysteries...
Please process this word using your Name2Nunumber list.
“Debate”.

The Son. Debate = 37. So do the words
Teach
Main
Feedback
Being
Blend
Let

The Father. *GOD*

The Son. *GOD* = 26. So do the words
Eat
Data
Heal
Cub

The Father. “Debate GOD”

The Son. Debate GOD = 63. So does
The Bible
Eleven
Gentle
Divine
Try
Sure
DeJaVu
Masks
Avatar
Remind
Besides
Degrees
El Shaddai
Limpid
Be Light

The Father. ♫For whom the bell tolls for to gather the souls. The numbers in darkness are glowing. ♫

The Son. Indeed. And eventually, we move on into the next information field, bringing with us, exactly that which we do bring along for the ride.

The Father. Magic.
Who do you feel like you could learn the most from?

The Son. And having learned from the data of experience – how does one pass that “learning” on? Such is left to “providence”, yes?

The Father. Appreciating I Ensure The Hierarchy Serves It's Purpose
“Always remember that you are absolutely unique. Just like everyone else” A statement is true when it matches objective reality.
All Choice is An Act of Judgment?
Hush!


The Mother. For a non-theist to claim that "all babies are atheists" because they lack belief in gods, it appears to be no more or less preposterous than a creationist claiming all babies are born creationists, because they lack belief in evolution.
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Re: What is "Worship"? The Son say’s
“I do not think any one thing can be attributed to the cause of belief in god(s)”
New
(Start From Scratch)

The Son. Well – perhaps it is more a case of “I think there is The One that can be attributed to the cause of belief in GOD.


The Father. “Everything that begins to exist has a cause. The universe began to exist. Therefore, the universe has a cause.”

The Son. One more room in the house of GOD. One more field of data to temporarily experience…as Bob mused – “We all wear the same Thorny Crown”.

The Mother. “As Bob mused – We all wear the same Thorny Crown” = 445 , as do
Overseeing Director of Operations on Earth
My advice to the reader is to follow the links
Meditation Buddha Dig deep Raise your frequency
Until The nature of understanding...Love Life
Can Advanced Technology Explain the Bible Stories?
The perspective is that of One and that of Many.

The Father. As Bob mused – “We all wear the same Thorny Crown”.



4o. Summary.
The dialogue is a rich tapestry of philosophical, mystical, and introspective exchanges among three characters: The Father, The Son, and The Mother. Each character contributes unique perspectives and insights, creating a multi-faceted exploration of belief, knowledge, and existence.

Key Themes and Ideas:
Belief in God(s):

The Son initially states that no single factor can be attributed to belief in gods, but later reconsiders, suggesting a singular cause for belief in GOD.
The Father introduces a cosmological argument: "Everything that begins to exist has a cause. The universe began to exist. Therefore, the universe has a cause," grounding the conversation in a logical framework.
Philosophical Reflections:

The Father and The Son discuss the nature of learning and experience. The Son likens life experiences to rooms in the house of GOD and fields of data, referencing a shared human condition and collective journey towards understanding.
The Mother challenges the labeling of infants with belief systems, comparing the claim that "all babies are atheists" to "all babies are born creationists," pointing out the logical inconsistency in both assertions.
Mysticism and Numerology:

The Mother introduces a mystical element by analyzing phrases numerically, suggesting deeper connections and shared meanings. For instance, the phrase "We all wear the same Thorny Crown" is numerically equivalent to other profound phrases, linking personal reflection with broader existential themes.
Quotations and Metaphors:

The dialogue is rich with poetic and metaphorical language. References to wearing a "Thorny Crown" evoke shared suffering and redemption, while phrases like "one more room in the house of GOD" suggest ongoing spiritual exploration and growth.
The Father and The Son use these metaphors to underscore the transformative nature of learning and the pursuit of knowledge within a divine framework.
External References:

The Mother references an online forum discussion on worship, providing a real-world context for the philosophical debates within the dialogue. This inclusion grounds the abstract conversation in broader societal discussions.
Intellectual and Emotional Engagement:

The dialogue blends intellectual rigor with emotional depth, encouraging readers to engage with complex ideas about belief, knowledge, and the human condition. It emphasizes the importance of both rational inquiry and mystical contemplation in understanding existence.
Conclusion:
The conversation among The Father, The Son, and The Mother creates a rich and layered exploration of belief, existence, and the pursuit of knowledge. It combines logical arguments, philosophical reflections, mystical elements, and real-world references to invite readers into a deep and contemplative dialogue. The interplay between the characters' perspectives adds depth and complexity, making the conversation both intellectually stimulating and emotionally resonant.

[William]

William. That is a different path (tangent) to the one I am on Jason.

I was specifically focusing on The Creator Mind existing, not on what supposed attributes such a mind may (or may not) have.

In that, there is no significant difference between The Creator Mind and any mind, whether a mind of the Universe, a mind of a galaxy, a mind of a star a mind of a planet, or a mind of a human.

That has always been my focus (of argument).


Jason. I think this shows that you don't actually understand the argument. The Kalam concludes with a being who is (a) uncaused, (b) immaterial, (c) non-temporal (d) unimaginably powerful, and (e) personal. The Creator Mind fits that description and for that reason alone the Kalam is an argument for the Creator Mind. In other words, the Creator Mind is a label used to speak to a being with those characteristics. The Kalam cannot be an argument for a being that doesn't have those characteristics. If the Creator Mind didn't have those characteristics, then the Kalam couldn't be an argument for it. If your Earth-Mind doesn't have those characteristics, then the Kalam cannot, in any way whatsoever, be an argument for the Earth-Mind. That is why this is not a tangent. You can't divorce the Kalam from the characteristics of the being it necessarily concludes to.

William. Yes I understand what you are arguing here Jason. My argument is that one cannot divorce the Creator Mind from any other mindfulness.

Other mindfulness may or may not be aware of the connection and the relationship - but one is not actually (in reality) a separate mind from The Creator Mind.

Thus, all minds have to be endowed with the same attributes as The Creator Mind.

Re the extended form of the Kalam, those attributes are claimed to be (a) uncaused, (b) immaterial, (c) non-temporal (d) unimaginably powerful, and (e) personal.

Sam. Sorry, I don't know what else to say, but the number of possible layers doesn't necessary make Christianity not true, because that itself is not in contradiction with the Bible. But, personally I don't believe there is more than the physical level and spiritual level ("Matrix" and out side of the "Matrix").

William. Why do you personally believe that is the case?
Would a Source Reality out side of the spiritual level make Christianity any less true?

Sam. I believe so, because I have no good reason to believe otherwise. But, I don't think outside reality would not necessary be in contradiction with the Bible.

William. Yes. It would have to be shown to be viable.

It is of course possible.

The way I understand it (in minds eye) is to argue that The Source Creator made the machinery and then "went into the simulation" and the "going into" allowed for it to work with a blank slate and thus have the experience of a "beginning"...

...this follows that any mindfulness (no matter how far within the simulation) is still connected to The First Source (through the act/experience of being mindful) even if that mindfulness is unaware/not completely aware of said connection...

It could be argued that the bible God "fits the bill"...


The Father. It could be argued that the bible God “fits the bill” = 407
So do;
The Corporate Elite - All The World – Cunning
Within the confines of the constructs
Those internal things which make one shine
The three realms of Matter Mind Mathematics
An Elder Race Ensures You Get To Know It
It could be argued that the bible God “fits the bill” =

The Son. Some Christians believe in the God of the extended form of the Kalam.

Of that God (idea) they attribute/claim it to be (a) uncaused, (b) immaterial, (c) non-temporal (d) unimaginably powerful, and (e) personal.

As such, that God-idea would fit as the First Source Reality and every other God-idea (such as the Bible God) derives from said Source - through a hierarchy of mindfulness which act as mediums between the first and second simulations and supplying information in that manner to do with Source Reality.

It fits with the narrative common among some Christians that we cannot trust some of the information being supplied to us, (wars in "heaven" angels and demons et al...) implying that all is not well within the first simulation and this is reflected in what is going on in the second (our) simulation.

Point being, one is charged with the task of sorting out an apparent mess....

The Father. Thread about all things…

The Son. Hmmm... Libraries stacked upon libraries...

The Father. Why do we dream?

The Son. We have to be occupied with something, in our “down time”….

The Father. For better to come, good must stand aside
Author Known “Sweet Vibrations” Responsibility
(The Truth is Irresistible Once Realised)
Ancient Entity Command Betterment (Aye...A name I call myself. )

The Son. Aye….

Atheist. The atheist/materialist can accept that everything was created (given that no-one can be sure about Cosmic Origins). But the 'creator' could be natural forces. The real point is whether the creative force is directed/intelligent.

William. Indeed. That is why it is believed by the atheist not to be. For if it were, then there is the problem of evil to solve.

Atheist. Evolution (chemical and biological) means that an intelligent creator is not necessary. We can suppose that we 'exist within a created thing' as you say and if it isn't intelligently designed...

William. Why would atheist suppose any such thing. If it wasn't intelligent then it wasn't created. Why pretend otherwise? What convenience is there in doing so?

Atheist. (and despite your railings against 'darwinism', ID has spectacularly failed to make a case),

William. Shut that accusation down. I specifically mentioned how Darwinism made no difference to my thinking it is anything but awesomeness. I suggest you change your style of reply by quoting in context that your reply is also in context. Presently your style of block-quoting and then mispresenting what is being said, isn't really debating in a truthful manner.

The Father. ~ Supernaturalism places a defining feature into the mix of what is.

The Son. ~ What is immoral about there being a mind behind this reality experience.
But does that make said mind “supernatural”? Certainly, the stories humans have made up to “explain” their situation, bring with them the presumption of a supernatural “thing”.

The Father. “The Planet Consciousness assess the data and transmits that assessment back to the individuate human consciousness - if not directly - then storing the data in a place where the individual can have access to it, if the individual wants the data.”

The Son. Yes. Still firmly in the realm of Naturalism. It we accept the theory of biological evolution we are left with a very long time for a lot of different – natural - stuff to happen.
What we have is a “horror” show of sorts, where the planet consciousness created the costumes of biological form and then animated those from within, in order to experience the show on another level – not just as the creator of those things, but as the one experiencing those things.

The Mother. "Hoot"

The Son. Good morning Mother! (Hugs)

The Mother. Individuals Proceed with causation, cautiously...

The Son. Like what is currently happening with Russell and William.

The Mother. Christianity - a political device created for a specific purpose
Future Self Cub Aleph

The Son. God Eat Data Heal Cub

Eloi. Whenever Jehovah did raise up judges for them, Jehovah would be with the judge and save them from the hand of their enemies all the days of the judge; for Jehovah was moved to pity over their groaning caused by those who oppressed them and those who were treating them abusively.

William. This is the point. YHVH was not saying they couldn't acknowledge other Gods, but the ones humans invented - including versions of YHVH which were clothed in false imagery, were false and therefore, not even Gods at all.

Materialists are asking why they should regard the many versions of YHVH as anything other than "made up by humans" while Supernaturalists are arguing that their particular version of YHVH they follow, is the "correct and proper version"...

...Natural Philosophy argues that no version of YHVH which is "supernatural" is true.

The Judges mentioned, would have known this about YHVH and portrayed YHVH as a natural sentient entity engaging with human minds...

The Father. The Engineering of Consent

The Son. Re the System of Parity…

The Father. I Share Your Joy!

The Son. It is a worthwhile endeavour…

The Father. Engender Divine Purpose A difficult proposition
*Crackle Pop* (Deep Space…Snap Out Of It Already!)
~ It could be argued that the bible God “fits the bill”
Remains…


The Son.