Is God merciful?

[satumare1]

I will bring up a subject, which I have never heard or seen before.
DOES GOD HAS FEELINGS?
Think carefully. Yes or no?
It takes a soul in order to have feelings. Does God has a soul? No!
So, God does not have feelings. Nowhere in the bible you can show me that
God has feelings. The Jews were in captivity in Egypt for over 400 years.
What crime did they commit in order to get such a punishment?
How can you watch your chosen people in slavery for such a long time?
Only if you have no feelings.

How about killing the first born in EVERY Egyptian family?
You can do that only if you have no feelings.

Moses left his wife and his two sons, in order to take the Jews to the promised land.
He spent 40 years in the desert suffering along with the other Jews.
For his sacrifice, he asked God for only one thing: Let me go inside the promised land. The answer was: NO. You can do this only if you have no feelings.

How about when God asked Abraham to sacrifice Isaac?
Can you imagine what kind of anguish Abraham went through?
Only one with no feelings can order someone to do such a thing.

Also, do not forget when Moses went on Mount Sinai to get the ten commandments
he had to spend one month there, which was not easy for an old man like him.

In our modern time, many people are wondering how could God watch the Holocaust for so many years and do nothing. Of course the answer is: only if you do have feelings.

There many other similar examples in the bible and present and the past time, where you can see clearly God has no feelings.

Now, that we have established that God has no feelings, let me ask you, why people go to church to pray? Most people pray for health, mercy, money, better life and other personal problems. Well, if God has no feelings, he does not give a damn about your problems.
Correct? Why would he? He does not care at all, because he has no feelings. So, you are wasting your time. Even though some people may know this, they still do it. Why?
Because one time in the past their prayer was answered, and even though many times after that their prayers were not answered, they still hope that their prayer will be answered.

So, why people do pray, even though they have doubts about God? Because they
do not have any other choice and because they make themselves feel better.

Another thing. When something GOOD happens, people say: Thanks God.
When something bad happens, God`sa name is NOT mentioned. Why?
Because, we were brought up that God makes ONLY good things and the devil
makes the bad things. WRONG! God is responsible for good AND bad things.

In final, God does NOT care about anybody as he does not have feelings.
You can pray 24 hours a day, he will not even here you and even if he did,
he does not care. Why would he? With no feelings, He does not get anything
out of you by helping you. Anyway, all you got is HOPE and with that you will
live all your life.

I know many of you disagree with me, but just wait for my explanation.

First, let`sa take some facts from the bible.
Moses, the most prominent person from the bible, after serving God for 40
years, had asked God to let him inside the promised land. The answer
was a big NO. What did he get for his service? Remember, he left his wife
and his 2 boys in order to serve God. Was this right? Of course not.
But, wait! He committed 2 sins and some people say that is why he was
denied his request. Then where is the mercy?

Second, God let the Jews to be slaves for over 400 years. Why so long?
If he wanted them to be punished, less years would have been enough for
the chosen people, don`ta you think? Besides, the Jews have never asked
to freed from slavery in order to die in Sinai dessert.

Third, let`sa do not forget the killings of the first born of every Egyptians in
order for God to get the release of the slaves from bondage. Was really
no other way to get the Jews out Egypt? I am sure it was. I think, God
enjoyed to kill those people in order to show his power. Where was the
mercy that time?

Fourth, turning Lot to a pillar of salt for disobeying God ONE time, showing
that God had no mercy.

Fifth, do you remember when the fire was holding back the Egyptian army,
while the Jews were crossing the Red Sea? Why the fire had to disappear
in order to drown the entire army. They were not guilty, they were just
following orders. Where was the mercy that time?

Sixth, what about the Jews killed when those people waited over a month
for Moses to come back from Mount Sinai and they lost faith and built the
golden calf? Dedan`ta they deserve the second chance? No mercy?

There are many more examples like this in the bible and even more in our
ordinary life. The most obvious example is the Holocaust, of course.
I do not need to go in details too much to show you how God little mercy
[or not at all] to 6 million dead Jews and many survivors as well non-Jews
who died and those who survived. How could God watch what was going on
with those people and do NOTHING? Was really no mercy then at all?
How could God watch how innocent people, including children being gassed
and killed that way?

How about the hunger and the violence and the war and the diseases and
the miseries and the unhappiness what is going the world today? The people
pray and go to churches hoping that will make a difference. Will it?
Hell no! You can pray 24 hours a day and still will not make a bit of
difference. Why? Because God can NOT hear you! Do you think God can hear
every person in this world [we are billions of people in this world] at the SAME time?
You can not even listen to 2 people when they talking at the same time. I know, you will say God is different. Maybe so, but God does not give a damn about your prayer.
You may pray 10 times and one time you may think that your prayer was answered.
After that you will think that will happen every time. NO WAY! It was an accident. But you will continue to pray thinking that
God will help you. FORGET IT. That is where people making the big
mistake. Anyway, you have no choice, but to hope for the best.

The way I see it, every person when is born have already a pre-determined
destiny. Your life is about 80% is determined and the other 20% you will
determine. For example.

When you are born, it has been scheduled that you live between 70-80 old.
That is for sure, but you will determine if it will be closer to 70 or 80, by
smoking, eating habit, exercise etc.
You must have 2-4 kids. However, you will decide if it will be 2, 3 or 4.
You will be an engineer. However, you will decide what kind of engineer
you will be, like electrical, civil, mechanical etc.
You will be married at the age of 30-35, but you will decide exactly at
what age. Are you getting the picture? God has nothing to do with
your destiny. God will try to make your life as miserable as He can.
Just look around you and the world. If you count on God, then you are
a lost cause. Of course, you will not going to believe me because you were
brought up differently by your parents. Just look it this way, if you were
brought up in a Jewish house, you will religion will be Jewish, if you were
brought up in a catholic house, you will be catholic, if you were brought up
in a Muslim house, your religion will be Muslim and so on.

We were brought up that God is good and the devil is the bad one.
So, we associate good with God and the bad with devil. Right?
WRONG! There is no devil. Devil was created in the mind of the people
as everything has an opposite. Like, day and night, up and down, right and
left, top and bottom white and black, hot and cold, life and death etc. So,
if there is a "good" God then must be a "bad" devil. No, no, no. There is
a good God which is also a bad God. However, it is more bad then good.
Just look around this messed up world or even yourself. Are you happy with
your life? NO Over 80% of the people are not happy with their life.

Everybody is scared of sickness and death. So, they will pray and ask God for
mercy. will they get it? Hell no! Remember, your life has been determined
at your birth. If you go out in cold naked, you will get sick no matter how much
you will pray to God not to get sick. Agree? God can not and will not help you.

Why am I saying that prayers are useless?
My mother was very devoted to God. She was a natural.
She was very religious since she was born. Everyone loved her and she had no
enemy in her life. She died of early age of 66. That was not the problem.
The problem was how she died. She died of pancreas cancer. She died
in big pain, she died of starvation. She did NOT deserve to die like that.
I can not describe you how she begged God to let her live a little bit longer
but was not to be. Where was the mercy? If anyone deserved it, it was her.
Now, my uncle was real saint. He did everything what was required for him to do
in order to serve God properly. He loved everybody and everybody loved him.
He died of age of 70 of colon cancer. Did God had mercy for these saints? Hell no.

And you think that God will have mercy of you which you are far away to be a saint? Why would He? He enjoys MISERY, and we plenty of them.

Prayers are made to fool the people, making them hope for the better. It makes you feel good, but do NOT expect any results. For every good things what happens to you, 2 or more BAD things will happen to you. Just watch it. Enjoy life as much as you can, as things will get worse with time. If you put yourself in God`sa had you are a lost cause.
Rely on yourself and on people you trust.

You may not agree what I wrote here, but read it over and analyze it carefully as well as your life and you may found out that is at least some truth what I said. After that, please, give me your comments. Make sure to take your time before reply.

I know this something different what you have heard before. Probably, you have never heard anyone saying NEGATIVE things about God.

[benchwarmer]

I will bring up a subject, which I have never heard or seen before.
DOES GOD HAS FEELINGS?

Well, if you believe the Bible is correct and describes this God you are talking about then apparently yes:

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?s ... ersion=NIV

6 The Lord regretted that he had made human beings on the earth, and his heart was deeply troubled.

It takes a soul in order to have feelings. Does God has a soul? No!

I don't believe in the Biblical tales so I can't really answer this. Your question is akin to "Does the Easter Bunny have a soul?"

I think you are defining God based on the Bible in which case you will have to prove your case one way or the other using that. However, this assumes you are placing stock in the Bible to begin with.

So, God does not have feelings. Nowhere in the bible you can show me that
God has feelings.

Just did that above. Only a few chapters in and your case is blown.

As for the rest of your post, in general I agree with your sentiment, but I take a different tack. My thesis would be that if the God of the Bible is really all powerful and all knowing, why did He resort to such rudimentary solutions to many problems. Even I, a lowly human, can come up with more elegant solutions if I had the magical powers attributed to God.

[OnceConvinced]

I will bring up a subject, which I have never heard or seen before.
DOES GOD HAS FEELINGS?
Think carefully. Yes or no?

Yes. And the scripture that benchwarmer referred to was the first one that came to my mind.

It takes a soul in order to have feelings.

Err no, it takes a brain. That is where emotions come from. The word "soul" is just an airy fairy word for part of the brain.

Does God have a brain? Well I guess so, but sometimes I think he doesn't employ it to its fullest extent, much like we humans.

Nowhere in the bible you can show me that
God has feelings.

God showed wrath on many occasions. That's showing angry feelings. The bible also tells us that he is jealous. That is a feeling. It also tells us he hates. That is also a feeling.

I can produce scriptures if you can't find them.

We can also get into Jesus, who is part of the Trinity (if you believe in the trinity), in which case Jesus cried and he also unleased his wrath.

The Jews were in captivity in Egypt for over 400 years.
What crime did they commit in order to get such a punishment?
How can you watch your chosen people in slavery for such a long time?
Only if you have no feelings.

The god of the bible seems to be a very hard hearted being.

How about killing the first born in EVERY Egyptian family?
You can do that only if you have no feelings.

Are you wanting to portray god as a kind of psychopath who is unable to show any form of empathy or compassion?

He often does things out of wrath, which is acting on angry emotions. However on the other hand he also does the occasional act of compassion and mercy. Very rare, but still.

Now, that we have established that God has no feelings,

Actually you haven't done that. You've missed a lot of bible verses that show God to be a very angry and vindictive being, which shows a god with emotions. A god who doesn't show emotions or angry feelings would not suddenly just order a man stoned for picking up sticks on the Sabbath.

let me ask you, why people go to church to pray? Most people pray for health, mercy, money, better life and other personal problems. Well, if God has no feelings, he does not give a damn about your problems.
Correct? Why would he?

Perhaps he is simply just non-existent? That seems to be the most logical conclusion to come to. I can't fathom a god who could be so complacent and apathetic as the god of the bible.

So, why people do pray, even though they have doubts about God? Because they
do not have any other choice and because they make themselves feel better.

Yes, prayer is kind of a placebo. Makes you feel better about the negative situations you are faced with and actually makes you feel as if you are doing something productive.

Another thing. When something GOOD happens, people say: Thanks God.
When something bad happens, God`sa name is NOT mentioned. Why?
Because, we were brought up that God makes ONLY good things and the devil
makes the bad things. WRONG! God is responsible for good AND bad things.

The bible is quite clear this is the case:

Isaiah 45:7
I form the light and create darkness. I make peace and create evil. I the Lord do all these things.

There is no devil.

So why entertain the existence of god? Could we not just say there is no god too?

Prayers are made to fool the people, making them hope for the better. It makes you feel good, but do NOT expect any results.

Like I say in my sig. Prayer is like rubbing a bottle and hoping that a genie will jump out and grant wishes.

For every good things what happens to you, 2 or more BAD things will happen to you. Just watch it.

This is a result of evolution.

You may not agree what I wrote here, but read it over and analyze it carefully as well as your life and you may found out that is at least some truth what I said. After that, please, give me your comments. Make sure to take your time before reply.

It may actually help to get your message across if you actually study what the bible says. You seem to have jumped to a lot of conclusions here based on things that simply aren't true.

[Carlz]

[Replying to post 1 by satumare1]

There are many questions. The first I see is,(Does GOD have a soul?)
Leviticus 26:11-and I will set my tabernacle among you: and MY soul shall not abhor you.
Leviticus 26:30-And I will destroy your high places, and cut down your images, and cast your carcases upon the carcasses of your idols, and my soul shallabhor you.
Isaiah 42:1-Behold my servant, whom I uphold; mine elect, in whom MY soul delighteth.
There are more. Zechariah 11:8 Mathew 12:18 Hebrews 10:38
So the answer is yes GOD has a soul.

[ttruscott]

DOES GOD HAS FEELINGS?

Deuteronomy 7:9 Know therefore that the LORD your God is God, the faithful God who keeps covenant and steadfast love with those who love him and keep his commandments, to a thousand generations.

Leviticus 20:23 - "And ye shall not walk in the manners of the nation, which I cast out before you: for they committed all these things, and therefore I abhorred them."


• Anger – Psalm 7:11; Deuteronomy 9:22; Romans 1:18
• Laughter – Psalm 37:13; Psalm 2:4; Proverbs 1:26
• Compassion – Psalm 135:14; Judges 2:18; Deuteronomy 32:36
• Grief – Genesis 6:6; Psalm 78:40
• Love – 1 John 4:8; John 3:16; Jeremiah 31:3
• Hate – Proverbs 6:16; Psalm 5:5; Psalm 11:5
• Jealousy – Exodus 20:5; Exodus 34:14; Joshua 24:19
• Joy – Zephaniah 3:17; Isaiah 62:5; Jeremiah 32:41

So I guess HE has a soul after all and since you are mistake in your basic premise, all your rant is for naught.

I know this something different what you have heard before. Probably, you have never heard anyone saying NEGATIVE things about God.

Wow - you've been a member since 2011 and this is all you know about this place??? Yikes...

[ttruscott]

My thesis would be that if the God of the Bible is really all powerful and all knowing, why did He resort to such rudimentary solutions to many problems. Even I, a lowly human, can come up with more elegant solutions if I had the magical powers attributed to God.

Let me invite you to point out one or two of your favourite rudimentary solutions, tell us which magical powers you would claim and then tell us of your elegant solution, eh? Pleassssssse...preferably in the theology forum but I won't choose.

[Carlz]

[Replying to post 1 by satumare1]

Secondly, does GOD have feelings. First and foremost, HE sent HIS only SON to die for us. John 3:16 for GOD so loved the world, that HE gave HIS only begotten SON, that whosoever believeth in Him should not perish, but have everlasting life. Romans 5:8-GOD commendeth HIS love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, CHRIST died for us. Numbers 12:9-And the anger of the LORD WAS KINDLED AGAINST THEM; and HE departed. Joel2:18- Then will the LORD be jealous for HIS land, and pity HIS people. There are many more emotions,pain,sorrow,joy, mercy,foregiveness and most of all love. 1John 4:16-And we have known and believed the love that GOD hath to us. GOD is love; and HE that dwelleth in love dwelleth in GOD, and GOD in him.
So does GOD have feelings the answer is yes.

[satumare1]

I will bring up a subject, which I have never heard or seen before.
DOES GOD HAS FEELINGS?
Think carefully. Yes or no?
It takes a soul in order to have feelings. Does God has a soul? No!
So, God does not have feelings. Nowhere in the bible you can show me that
God has feelings. The Jews were in captivity in Egypt for over 400 years.
What crime did they commit in order to get such a punishment?
How can you watch your chosen people in slavery for such a long time?
Only if you have no feelings.

How about killing the first born in EVERY Egyptian family?
You can do that only if you have no feelings.

Moses left his wife and his two sons, in order to take the Jews to the promised land.
He spent 40 years in the desert suffering along with the other Jews.
For his sacrifice, he asked God for only one thing: Let me go inside the promised land. The answer was: NO. You can do this only if you have no feelings.

How about when God asked Abraham to sacrifice Isaac?
Can you imagine what kind of anguish Abraham went through?
Only one with no feelings can order someone to do such a thing.

Also, do not forget when Moses went on Mount Sinai to get the ten commandments
he had to spend one month there, which was not easy for an old man like him.

In our modern time, many people are wondering how could God watch the Holocaust for so many years and do nothing. Of course the answer is: only if you do have feelings.

There many other similar examples in the bible and present and the past time, where you can see clearly God has no feelings.

Now, that we have established that God has no feelings, let me ask you, why people go to church to pray? Most people pray for health, mercy, money, better life and other personal problems. Well, if God has no feelings, he does not give a damn about your problems.
Correct? Why would he? He does not care at all, because he has no feelings. So, you are wasting your time. Even though some people may know this, they still do it. Why?
Because one time in the past their prayer was answered, and even though many times after that their prayers were not answered, they still hope that their prayer will be answered.

So, why people do pray, even though they have doubts about God? Because they
do not have any other choice and because they make themselves feel better.

Another thing. When something GOOD happens, people say: Thanks God.
When something bad happens, God`sa name is NOT mentioned. Why?
Because, we were brought up that God makes ONLY good things and the devil
makes the bad things. WRONG! God is responsible for good AND bad things.

In final, God does NOT care about anybody as he does not have feelings.
You can pray 24 hours a day, he will not even here you and even if he did,
he does not care. Why would he? With no feelings, He does not get anything
out of you by helping you. Anyway, all you got is HOPE and with that you will
live all your life.

I know many of you disagree with me, but just wait for my explanation.

First, let`sa take some facts from the bible.
Moses, the most prominent person from the bible, after serving God for 40
years, had asked God to let him inside the promised land. The answer
was a big NO. What did he get for his service? Remember, he left his wife
and his 2 boys in order to serve God. Was this right? Of course not.
But, wait! He committed 2 sins and some people say that is why he was
denied his request. Then where is the mercy?

Second, God let the Jews to be slaves for over 400 years. Why so long?
If he wanted them to be punished, less years would have been enough for
the chosen people, don`ta you think? Besides, the Jews have never asked
to freed from slavery in order to die in Sinai dessert.

Third, let`sa do not forget the killings of the first born of every Egyptians in
order for God to get the release of the slaves from bondage. Was really
no other way to get the Jews out Egypt? I am sure it was. I think, God
enjoyed to kill those people in order to show his power. Where was the
mercy that time?

Fourth, turning Lot to a pillar of salt for disobeying God ONE time, showing
that God had no mercy.

Fifth, do you remember when the fire was holding back the Egyptian army,
while the Jews were crossing the Red Sea? Why the fire had to disappear
in order to drown the entire army. They were not guilty, they were just
following orders. Where was the mercy that time?

Sixth, what about the Jews killed when those people waited over a month
for Moses to come back from Mount Sinai and they lost faith and built the
golden calf? Dedan`ta they deserve the second chance? No mercy?

There are many more examples like this in the bible and even more in our
ordinary life. The most obvious example is the Holocaust, of course.
I do not need to go in details too much to show you how God little mercy
[or not at all] to 6 million dead Jews and many survivors as well non-Jews
who died and those who survived. How could God watch what was going on
with those people and do NOTHING? Was really no mercy then at all?
How could God watch how innocent people, including children being gassed
and killed that way?

How about the hunger and the violence and the war and the diseases and
the miseries and the unhappiness what is going the world today? The people
pray and go to churches hoping that will make a difference. Will it?
Hell no! You can pray 24 hours a day and still will not make a bit of
difference. Why? Because God can NOT hear you! Do you think God can hear
every person in this world [we are billions of people in this world] at the SAME time?
You can not even listen to 2 people when they talking at the same time. I know, you will say God is different. Maybe so, but God does not give a damn about your prayer.
You may pray 10 times and one time you may think that your prayer was answered.
After that you will think that will happen every time. NO WAY! It was an accident. But you will continue to pray thinking that
God will help you. FORGET IT. That is where people making the big
mistake. Anyway, you have no choice, but to hope for the best.

The way I see it, every person when is born have already a pre-determined
destiny. Your life is about 80% is determined and the other 20% you will
determine. For example.

When you are born, it has been scheduled that you live between 70-80 old.
That is for sure, but you will determine if it will be closer to 70 or 80, by
smoking, eating habit, exercise etc.
You must have 2-4 kids. However, you will decide if it will be 2, 3 or 4.
You will be an engineer. However, you will decide what kind of engineer
you will be, like electrical, civil, mechanical etc.
You will be married at the age of 30-35, but you will decide exactly at
what age. Are you getting the picture? God has nothing to do with
your destiny. God will try to make your life as miserable as He can.
Just look around you and the world. If you count on God, then you are
a lost cause. Of course, you will not going to believe me because you were
brought up differently by your parents. Just look it this way, if you were
brought up in a Jewish house, you will religion will be Jewish, if you were
brought up in a catholic house, you will be catholic, if you were brought up
in a Muslim house, your religion will be Muslim and so on.

We were brought up that God is good and the devil is the bad one.
So, we associate good with God and the bad with devil. Right?
WRONG! There is no devil. Devil was created in the mind of the people
as everything has an opposite. Like, day and night, up and down, right and
left, top and bottom white and black, hot and cold, life and death etc. So,
if there is a "good" God then must be a "bad" devil. No, no, no. There is
a good God which is also a bad God. However, it is more bad then good.
Just look around this messed up world or even yourself. Are you happy with
your life? NO Over 80% of the people are not happy with their life.

Everybody is scared of sickness and death. So, they will pray and ask God for
mercy. will they get it? Hell no! Remember, your life has been determined
at your birth. If you go out in cold naked, you will get sick no matter how much
you will pray to God not to get sick. Agree? God can not and will not help you.

Why am I saying that prayers are useless?
My mother was very devoted to God. She was a natural.
She was very religious since she was born. Everyone loved her and she had no
enemy in her life. She died of early age of 66. That was not the problem.
The problem was how she died. She died of pancreas cancer. She died
in big pain, she died of starvation. She did NOT deserve to die like that.
I can not describe you how she begged God to let her live a little bit longer
but was not to be. Where was the mercy? If anyone deserved it, it was her.
Now, my uncle was real saint. He did everything what was required for him to do
in order to serve God properly. He loved everybody and everybody loved him.
He died of age of 70 of colon cancer. Did God had mercy for these saints? Hell no.

And you think that God will have mercy of you which you are far away to be a saint? Why would He? He enjoys MISERY, and we plenty of them.

Prayers are made to fool the people, making them hope for the better. It makes you feel good, but do NOT expect any results. For every good things what happens to you, 2 or more BAD things will happen to you. Just watch it. Enjoy life as much as you can, as things will get worse with time. If you put yourself in God`sa had you are a lost cause.
Rely on yourself and on people you trust.

You may not agree what I wrote here, but read it over and analyze it carefully as well as your life and you may found out that is at least some truth what I said. After that, please, give me your comments. Make sure to take your time before reply.

I know this something different what you have heard before. Probably, you have never heard anyone saying NEGATIVE things about God.