Open Debate Challenge

[For_The_Kingdom]

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Again, this is an open challenge to anyone who'd be interested in partaking in a moderated audio and/or video debate with me on any of the following subjects..

Kalam Cosmological Argument
Modal Ontological Argument
Resurrection of Jesus
Validity of the New Testament
Validity of Naturalism (natural evolution [macro])

This challenge has been open for at least 2 years, and no one has stepped up yet. We can post the segment on this great forum for all to see.

Don't you all speak at once.

[For_The_Kingdom]

Modal Ontological Argument

The Modal Ontological Argument is based on the fallacious premise that if we can imagine a thought in our minds that does not appear to us to be self-contradicting, then whatever we have imagined must exist.

No, it is that whatever we can imagine is possibly true (in some possible world). See that, you've been owned on the subject already.

Just imagine what an audio/video discussion would do

Hardly.

This whole topic is based on Modal Logic and modal logic is an abstract formalism created by men using axioms that they made up.

There is no reason that reality needs to conform to a man-made axiomatic formalism.

So you have already failed to understand the crux of my argument.

Just because something is axiomatically true in Model Logic does not mean that reality must obey man's logical inventions.

So there's no way you could use a Modal Ontological Argument to prove the existence of a God in any actual reality.

It's dead in the water before it even gets started.

LOL bruh..either accept the debate and bring all of that smoke to the debate..or decline the challenge while at the same time sparing me of all the fiddle faddle.

[For_The_Kingdom]

This challenge has been open for at least 2 years, and no one has stepped up yet.

Pretty sure rikuoamero took you up on that challenged and you bailed on him. What assurances do we have that you would bail out this time round?

rikuoamero? Who is that? Ohh, I remember; isn't that the guy I used to intellectually own time and time again on this great forum? What ever happened to the fella?

Actually, the reason the debate didn't go down was because there was some "time zone" concerns along with some connectivity issues. He should be thanking his lucky stars for those very reasons.

And speaking of being "pretty sure", I am pretty sure I offer YOU a direct challenge to a debate, and you declined..and this was fairly recent.

So, who is running from the smoke here? Me or you?

[Divine Insight]

LOL bruh..either accept the debate and bring all of that smoke to the debate..or decline the challenge while at the same time sparing me of all the fiddle faddle.

You appear to have missed the point entirely.

There's nothing to debate with the Modal Ontological Argument.

Let's assume that the argument is rock-solid based on all of the axioms and rules of Modal logic.

So what?

There is no reason that reality needs to conform to the rules of Modal Logic. So you haven't gotten anywhere. You've lost that debate long before it ever began.

[Divine Insight]

rikuoamero? Who is that? Ohh, I remember; isn't that the guy I used to intellectually own time and time again on this great forum? What ever happened to the fella?

I remember that being exactly the other way around.

A moment ago you claimed to "own" me, but you were gravely mistaken. So I imagine this is probably something you tend do to other people as well.

Apparently you are anxious to try to win an argument or at least claim that you have. That most likely wouldn't be the case if you were in the habit of winning them on a regular basis.

[For_The_Kingdom]

LOL bruh..either accept the debate and bring all of that smoke to the debate..or decline the challenge while at the same time sparing me of all the fiddle faddle.

You appear to have missed the point entirely.

There's nothing to debate with the Modal Ontological Argument.

Let's assume that the argument is rock-solid based on all of the axioms and rules of Modal logic.

So what?

There is no reason that reality needs to conform to the rules of Modal Logic. So you haven't gotten anywhere. You've lost that debate long before it ever began.

Ok. So since there is nothing to debate with the MOA, therefore, you won't debate the subject with me. Gotcha.

Anyone else? No?

Yet, if I decide to make a thread on the topic, then suddenly everyone will have something to say on the matter.

SMH.

[For_The_Kingdom]

I remember that being exactly the other way around.

A moment ago you claimed to "own" me, but you were gravely mistaken.

We can agree/disagree on that. All I know is, the challenge is still open.

So I imagine this is probably something you tend do to other people as well.

Correct. I proclaim victory as needed.

Apparently you are anxious to try to win an argument or at least claim that you have.

Not necessarily. I have other ambitions.

That most likely wouldn't be the case if you were in the habit of winning them on a regular basis.

Oooo.

[Bust Nak]

rikuoamero? Who is that? Ohh, I remember; isn't that the guy I used to intellectually own time and time again on this great forum?

Nah, you remembered that incorrectly.

What ever happened to the fella?

Well rikuoamero still post from time to time.

Actually, the reason the debate didn't go down was because there was some "time zone" concerns along with some connectivity issues. He should be thanking his lucky stars for those very reasons.

What ever your reasoning for missing the debate is, he was there and you weren't.

And speaking of being "pretty sure", I am pretty sure I offer YOU a direct challenge to a debate, and you declined..and this was fairly recent.

Yep, you remembered correctly.

So, who is running from the smoke here? Me or you?

You tell me, someone who agreed to a debate then failed to show up; or someone is still here, debating you day in day out.

[benchwarmer]

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Again, this is an open challenge to anyone who'd be interested in partaking in a moderated audio and/or video debate with me on any of the following subjects..

Kalam Cosmological Argument
Modal Ontological Argument
Resurrection of Jesus
Validity of the New Testament
Validity of Naturalism (natural evolution [macro])

This challenge has been open for at least 2 years, and no one has stepped up yet. We can post the segment on this great forum for all to see.

Don't you all speak at once.

Honestly, what's the point? In my opinion, all arguments you have presented so far have been shown to be lacking in one way or another. Do you really think debating on camera is going to change anything?

I personally have no desire to see you LOL, Shake Your Head, and claim personal victories live while trotting out the same tired arguments. If you have something novel to share on these topics, just post them. Otherwise this seems like a total waste of time.

[For_The_Kingdom]

Nah, you remembered that incorrectly.

We can agree/disagree about that; open challenge nevertheless.

Well rikuoamero still post from time to time.

He is on my ignore list..which is good for him. He is now free to post freely without me owning him. But hey, rikuo stepped up to the challenge..can't say the same for certain others on here though.

What ever your reasoning for missing the debate is, he was there and you weren't.

1. You weren't able to debate rikuomero
2. Therefore, you wasn't there to debate rikuomero

Non sequitur.

Yep, you remembered correctly.

Well, you get owned enough by me on the forums so it all evens out.

You tell me, someone who agreed to a debate then failed to show up; or someone is still here, debating you day in day out.

The challenge remains.

[For_The_Kingdom]

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Again, this is an open challenge to anyone who'd be interested in partaking in a moderated audio and/or video debate with me on any of the following subjects..

Kalam Cosmological Argument
Modal Ontological Argument
Resurrection of Jesus
Validity of the New Testament
Validity of Naturalism (natural evolution [macro])

This challenge has been open for at least 2 years, and no one has stepped up yet. We can post the segment on this great forum for all to see.

Don't you all speak at once.

Honestly, what's the point? In my opinion, all arguments you have presented so far have been shown to be lacking in one way or another. Do you really think debating on camera is going to change anything?

I personally have no desire to see you LOL, Shake Your Head, and claim personal victories live while trotting out the same tired arguments. If you have something novel to share on these topics, just post them. Otherwise this seems like a total waste of time.

So, no acceptance. Gotcha.