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Is getting married a Christian thing to do or just something required of the State?

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Obviously those are not the only two options since other religions practice marriage also.

But, your fundamental question is a good one to debate. Why should people get married? What is the purpose of marriage?

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otseng wrote: Wed Jan 06, 2021 8:49 am Obviously those are not the only two options since other religions practice marriage also.

But, your fundamental question is a good one to debate. Why should people get married? What is the purpose of marriage?
My question is related to the idea of 'why should the state be involved?' in the sense that marriage has become institutionalized through both religion and state, but it is state which has the final say on the matter.

As to the question 'Why should people get married?' this can harken back to more pagan rituals but essentially the reasons/purposes should not [logically] concern either state or religion in any authoritative manner. People have their own reasons which the state has no interest in.

With state condoned marriage what people get is the legal right to refer to one another as husband/wife/legal partners etc...vows are generally not required but signatures and verbalizing ones full names are.

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William wrote: Wed Jan 06, 2021 3:27 pm
otseng wrote: Wed Jan 06, 2021 8:49 am Obviously those are not the only two options since other religions practice marriage also.

But, your fundamental question is a good one to debate. Why should people get married? What is the purpose of marriage?
My question is related to the idea of 'why should the state be involved?' in the sense that marriage has become institutionalized through both religion and state, but it is state which has the final say on the matter.

As to the question 'Why should people get married?' this can harken back to more pagan rituals but essentially the reasons/purposes should not [logically] concern either state or religion in any authoritative manner. People have their own reasons which the state has no interest in.

With state condoned marriage what people get is the legal right to refer to one another as husband/wife/legal partners etc...vows are generally not required but signatures and verbalizing ones full names are.
A state's involvement is only to insure certain rights can be guaranteed, such as right to; inheritance, tax benefits, medical benefits, death benefits. housing benefits, et.. But if none of these, or other benefits, matter, two people can certainly live together without a state recognized marriage.


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Miles wrote: Wed Jan 06, 2021 5:14 pm
William wrote: Wed Jan 06, 2021 3:27 pm
otseng wrote: Wed Jan 06, 2021 8:49 am Obviously those are not the only two options since other religions practice marriage also.

But, your fundamental question is a good one to debate. Why should people get married? What is the purpose of marriage?
My question is related to the idea of 'why should the state be involved?' in the sense that marriage has become institutionalized through both religion and state, but it is state which has the final say on the matter.

As to the question 'Why should people get married?' this can harken back to more pagan rituals but essentially the reasons/purposes should not [logically] concern either state or religion in any authoritative manner. People have their own reasons which the state has no interest in.

With state condoned marriage what people get is the legal right to refer to one another as husband/wife/legal partners etc...vows are generally not required but signatures and verbalizing ones full names are.
A state's involvement is only to insure certain rights can be guaranteed, such as right to; inheritance, tax benefits, medical benefits, death benefits. housing benefits, et.. But if none of these, or other benefits, matter, two people can certainly live together without a state recognized marriage.


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So the custom of marriage somehow was infiltrated by the wheelers and the dealers who want contracts drawn up and agreed to before relationship can occur...where there is money to be made...there are investments to protect.

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William wrote: Thu Jan 07, 2021 2:34 pm
Miles wrote: Wed Jan 06, 2021 5:14 pm
William wrote: Wed Jan 06, 2021 3:27 pm
otseng wrote: Wed Jan 06, 2021 8:49 am Obviously those are not the only two options since other religions practice marriage also.

But, your fundamental question is a good one to debate. Why should people get married? What is the purpose of marriage?
My question is related to the idea of 'why should the state be involved?' in the sense that marriage has become institutionalized through both religion and state, but it is state which has the final say on the matter.

As to the question 'Why should people get married?' this can harken back to more pagan rituals but essentially the reasons/purposes should not [logically] concern either state or religion in any authoritative manner. People have their own reasons which the state has no interest in.

With state condoned marriage what people get is the legal right to refer to one another as husband/wife/legal partners etc...vows are generally not required but signatures and verbalizing ones full names are.
A state's involvement is only to insure certain rights can be guaranteed, such as right to; inheritance, tax benefits, medical benefits, death benefits. housing benefits, et.. But if none of these, or other benefits, matter, two people can certainly live together without a state recognized marriage.


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So the custom of marriage somehow was infiltrated by the wheelers and the dealers who want contracts drawn up and agreed to before relationship can occur...where there is money to be made...there are investments to protect.
I've always felt the state got involved because that's what people wanted it to do. They wanted some of their desires to have the force of law behind them.


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Miles wrote: Thu Jan 07, 2021 4:22 pm
William wrote: Thu Jan 07, 2021 2:34 pm
Miles wrote: Wed Jan 06, 2021 5:14 pm
William wrote: Wed Jan 06, 2021 3:27 pm
otseng wrote: Wed Jan 06, 2021 8:49 am Obviously those are not the only two options since other religions practice marriage also.

But, your fundamental question is a good one to debate. Why should people get married? What is the purpose of marriage?
My question is related to the idea of 'why should the state be involved?' in the sense that marriage has become institutionalized through both religion and state, but it is state which has the final say on the matter.

As to the question 'Why should people get married?' this can harken back to more pagan rituals but essentially the reasons/purposes should not [logically] concern either state or religion in any authoritative manner. People have their own reasons which the state has no interest in.

With state condoned marriage what people get is the legal right to refer to one another as husband/wife/legal partners etc...vows are generally not required but signatures and verbalizing ones full names are.
A state's involvement is only to insure certain rights can be guaranteed, such as right to; inheritance, tax benefits, medical benefits, death benefits. housing benefits, et.. But if none of these, or other benefits, matter, two people can certainly live together without a state recognized marriage.


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So the custom of marriage somehow was infiltrated by the wheelers and the dealers who want contracts drawn up and agreed to before relationship can occur...where there is money to be made...there are investments to protect.
I've always felt the state got involved because that's what people wanted it to do. They wanted some of their desires to have the force of law behind them.


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Religion works in the same manner. Two edges of the same sword - church and state...

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I got married in the weekend...

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William wrote: Tue Jan 19, 2021 1:18 amI got married in the weekend...
Congratulations! That's a lovely picture!

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William wrote: Tue Jan 19, 2021 1:18 am I got married in the weekend...
Congratulations, William. Best wishes to you and your bride!

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