Generating Messages

[William]

Hi.

I started this thread to share something which I find fascinating and would like some critique re the system I use to generate messages as I share these in this thread.

I would like to discuss the scientific value in terms of both subjectivity and objectivity to do with the way in which the messages are generated [to be explained] and perhaps how the reader interprets the message generated [assuming they see any message] and other related subjects branching from this.

I will also be using as evidence, the way in which words corelate with math, such as;

Generating Messages = 188
What Is Friendship
Story-Tellers

[William]

Lines most selected to date:

Duplicates
7 | Subatomic Particles
6 | Not Emotion - State Of Being...
6 | When Done Say "Done"
5 | Actual realistic communication
5 | Graphic Changes
5 | Intelligence With Wisdom
5 | Personal Participation With The One
5 | The Corporate Elite
4 | A Meeting Place
4 | Code
4 | Differences
4 | Gods Purpose
4 | Influence
4 | James Webb Space Telescope
4 | Okay?
4 | Soon
4 | Start
4 | System of Giving Energy
4 | Teaching Music
4 | The Great Attractor
4 | Understanding
4 | What Fun We Have!
4 | You Are Watched Over

[Difflugia]

[Replying to Difflugia in post #38]

I am not sure what you are saying here.

Are you trying to make every written word have its own unique number?

I offered two different methods of assigning values to a word or phrase, one which produces a unique number and one which doesn't.

I might be misunderstanding your method, but it looks to me like you've picked a method that ensures a nonrandom distribution and interpreting the nonrandom distribution as evidence of mindfulness. If that's the case, the information that you're interpreting is heavily influenced by the length of the phrase. If that's intentional, that's fine, but I didn't think it was.

I was trying to come up with a method that doesn't have that problem, but I'm still not clear exactly which property you're measuring. If you're simply assigning an arbitrary, but deterministic number to each string, the first method allows each string to have a unique number and the second method isn't unique, but has a random distribution.

[William]

[Replying to Difflugia in post #38]

I am not sure what you are saying here.

Are you trying to make every written word have its own unique number?

I offered two different methods of assigning values to a word or phrase, one which produces a unique number and one which doesn't.

I might be misunderstanding your method, but it looks to me like you've picked a method that ensures a nonrandom distribution and interpreting the nonrandom distribution as evidence of mindfulness. If that's the case, the information that you're interpreting is heavily influenced by the length of the phrase. If that's intentional, that's fine, but I didn't think it was.

I was trying to come up with a method that doesn't have that problem, but I'm still not clear exactly which property you're measuring. If you're simply assigning an arbitrary, but deterministic number to each string, the first method allows each string to have a unique number and the second method isn't unique, but has a random distribution.

The method I picked was the most obvious and simplest.

The property I am measuring has to do with sound [language], as I have already mentioned.

As yet, humans haven't found anything in the universe which can be defined as true-random.

The idea that the universes existence is the result of a truly random event has no evidential basis in reality, and is likely the result of the individual will, being resistant to understanding it as anything other than a random event.

However, humans have discovered order within the seeming chaos - and this order has allowed for humans to do great things within the confines of their immediate environment, and to also push those confines in order to extend them outwards, slightly.

The interesting thing about apparent randomness is that it will always defer to order, and this has to be because order is the nature state of the universe, and random is something of a mirage...it looks real but it really isn't.

[William]

If you're simply assigning an arbitrary, but deterministic number to each string, the first method allows each string to have a unique number and the second method isn't unique, but has a random distribution.

All numbers are by definition, deterministic.

deterministic = relating to the philosophical doctrine that all events, including human action, are ultimately determined by causes regarded as external to the will.

However, the structured design of the universe - specific to being human - allows for this to be non-apparent with the attached means in which to discover the apparent therein, after great amounts of study and invention through the human apparatus, are employed.

In other words, it has looked all the world like something non-deterministic from the human perspective, but from other points of view the same scene is known to be deterministic.

The fun part is in working that out. Coming from the belief in non-determinism into the realization of determinism, while still being human.

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Deterministic
This Speaks of....
Of the human being
Reason For Being
In The Rabbit Hole

Being human means that while everything may indeed be deterministic, we are so deep within it that it is a struggle to get to know it the way it really is and this gives us the ability to think that we have real free will, which in turn allows us to think we are really individual.

If we were able to create a system where every word had its own unique mathematical compartment, all this would show is that order is what the universe actually is - and that is why it is one thing and that the many things within it are patterned in the same way, and can be seen as unique in their own way, just as the universe is unique in its own way.

The evidence is too strong to believe there is no intelligent mind involved as part of the universes structure. Integral.

Resistance to that realization isn't helpful re aligning with it.

The resistance is generally traceable to the theistic approach of religionizing said intelligent mind.

[William]

[Replying to William in post #44]

The resistance is generally traceable to the theistic approach of religionizing said intelligent mind.

It is one thing to allow another mind to speak for itself.

It is another thing to take what is said and re-work it to say something else.

That is what religionizing said intelligent mind does.

With that in mind, one can approach it as a new thing to discover rather than having to accept that the religionized versions of it are all worthy of inclusion.

Yes. It can speak for itself.

Yes. We can superimpose a false interpretation on what it has to say for itself.

Yes. Any false image superimposed does not change what it really is.

Yes. We have much to learn.

[William]

[Replying to William in post #44]

The resistance is generally traceable to the theistic approach of religionizing said intelligent mind.

It is one thing to allow another mind to speak for itself.

It is another thing to take what is said and re-work it to say something else.

That is what religionizing said intelligent mind does.

With that in mind, one can approach it as a new thing to discover rather than having to accept that the religionized versions of it are all worthy of inclusion.

Yes. It can speak for itself.

Yes. We can superimpose a false interpretation on what it has to say for itself.

Yes. Any false image superimposed does not change what it really is.

Yes. We have much to learn.

To note, these sayings;


"God is a insignificant nobody. He is so unimportant that no one would even know he exists if evolution had not made possible for animals capable of abstract thought to exist and invent him"
"Two hands working can do more than a thousand clasped in prayer."

Are also a type of religionizing of the Cosmic Mind, even though they are anchored in non-theist ideology.

[William]

020222

Zero Two Zero Two Two Two = 360
The Entity I Am - The Entity You Are
Where are we getting our news from?
The relevant scientific community
A projection of ones subconscious

8:16

SCL

AP="Have A Look At The Map"

Selection Method = Every 816th line entry.
Current Comlist has 2632 line entries.
Shuffle Comlist 7 times.

816. Sing!
1632. Foundation
2448. Able To

SCL 2
816. Respect
1632. Reaction
2448. Wise beyond ones years

SCL 3

816. Always
1632. In relation to eternity, 'when' is always a potential.
2448. Shucks!

SCL 4

816. Mother Earth
1632. Change
2448. Looking After Poor People

SCL 5

816. Objectives
1632. Foreign Accent Syndrome
2448. Concern

SCL 6

816. You Know or You Don't know
1632. What is 'The Soul' and is it Immortal Doc
2448. Destination

SCL 7

816. Imaginative Realities
1632. Things Will Run There Course
2448. Homeomorphic

8:35

[William]

090222

Zero Nine Zero Two Two Two = 344
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Three Four Four = 176
The World Wide Web
The Vast UICDevice
The Cave of Origins
What Is Found Here
The Deeper Reality
What the seed holds
Hiding behind ones fear


7:32

SCL

AP= "Get The Ball Rolling"

Get The Ball Rolling = 179
No Doubt about It
Well Its A Start
We Are All Becoming One
Stay the course
The Garden Story

Random Select Process [RSP] = select every 192nd line
One Nine Two = 134
The human brain
The game of Chess
The tree of life
Information
Arms crossed
Breakthrough
Incorporate
The Digital Angel
Insignificant
Encounters
To Accomplish
Do a Word Search
Homo Sapiens
The middle-class
Unprecedented
Real is better
Pollution


GM
192. Functional Clusters
384. The Twelve Judges Mountain Range
576. Self-realization
768. Childlike
960. Gods of Human Creation
1052. Potential
1344. Attention to Detail
1536. Bandage
1728. Border
1920. Acting In Congruity With Given Foresight
2112. Exhibit
2304. Providence
2496. Holographic Experiential Reality Simulations
2668 [ComList currently ends at line 2639]

7:47

[William]

8:26
Working with previous GM

Get The Ball Rolling
Functional Clusters
The Twelve Judges Mountain Range
Self-realization
Childlike
Gods of Human Creation
Potential
Attention to Detail
Bandage
Border
Acting In Congruity With Given Foresight
Exhibit
Providence
Holographic Experiential Reality Simulations

SCL

AP= "Act With The Situation Rather Than Against It"
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RSP=Select each line before and after each word-string of previous GM

Get Comfortable
Get The Ball Rolling
Training

Algorithm
Functional Clusters
Intelligent Awareness

People Don't Like To Be Judged
The Twelve Judges Mountain Range
Authenticity

Existence
Self-realization
We shape our opinions and morals through understanding that we are here for that reason.

Anger
Childlike
Hellish

Inalienable
Gods of Human Creation
We were not conscious of being a human for a time, but this does not mean that consciousness wasn't there.

Categorising Knowledge in Terms of 'Good' or 'Evil'
Potential
Through Device

Significant Variations
Attention to Detail
QueenBee

Lift Our Gaze
Bandage
I think it was an ambush or surprise attack

Three Dimension Printing
Border
One is often left to ones own devices as to how to interpret

Ancient Grey Entity
Acting In Congruity With Given Foresight
Future Selves

Stuff Happens
Exhibit
Key

Theatre of the Mind
Providence
Ethical Transhumanism

William Plays Music
Holographic Experiential Reality Simulations
Ensure

8:40

[William]

Get The Ball Rolling = 179
No Doubt about It
Well Its A Start
We Are All Becoming One
Stay the course
The Garden Story

Functional Clusters = 232
For The Best Results
Intelligent Awareness
Enough To Make Me Wonder
More precious than life
Error Correcting Codes
Hyper-normalisation
The Future is Cloudy
The Clear Light of The Void

The Twelve Judges Mountain Range = 338
The idea of Worship- what does it mean?
An extraterrestrial playing god
Let the facts speak for themselves

Self-realization = 172
William and QueenBee
Final Destination
Dualic Energies Weak
In the back of my mind
Dogmatic attitude
Calling the shots
Steady as she goes....

Childlike = 73
Forum
Children
Paradise
Aligning
EZPZ
Union
Shrug
Perfect
Pulse
Patience
Darknet
The Mind
Crazy
Hellish

Gods of Human Creation = 208
Imaginative Realities
We Groove Together
The Purple Heart medal
Human Accomplishment

Potential = 112
Mathematics
The Cherubim
Being Friends
Imagination
Unknown
Sit Tight
The Mother
Semiotics
Holographic
Delirious

Attention to Detail = 204
The Language of Innocence
An Elemental Principle
Perceived obsolescence

Bandage = 34
One
Dark
Free
Few

Border = 62
Right
Shift
Attached
Doubt
Think
Elohim
Choices

Acting In Congruity With Given Foresight = 433
There are two ways to approach the problem

Exhibit = 77
Christ
That Is
Polite
In Love
The Brain
Things
Group
Known
In Love
Hand In Hand
Please Do
Power
Sangreal
Hexagram
Economic

Providence = 111

Computer
The Watcher
Santa Claus
One Christ
Open hearted
Little Bird
Do Not Panic
Explaining
A Meeting Place
A Purpose
A Vibration
Significant
Somewhere
A Mixture
A Real Beauty
Time to See
Exact Science
3D Printing
Pokemon Go
Not Right
Monetary
Calculation
Witchcraft
Necromancy
Illusion
Insanity
Stubborn
A President
Slaughter
Church Bells
A defunct debate

Holographic Experiential Reality Simulations = 492
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