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Hi.

I started this thread to share something which I find fascinating and would like some critique re the system I use to generate messages as I share these in this thread.

I would like to discuss the scientific value in terms of both subjectivity and objectivity to do with the way in which the messages are generated [to be explained] and perhaps how the reader interprets the message generated [assuming they see any message] and other related subjects branching from this.

I will also be using as evidence, the way in which words corelate with math, such as;

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Theist: Self-causation is illogical and, therefore, not possible.

Atheist: Yet you require no illogical tag when you propose an uncaused god we can't observe as the cause of a universe we do observe.
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:evil: ______________ :-k ________________ O:)
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:-k : As we should already agree together, since for the present, science informs us that the universe had a beginning, we have to apply the argument "Self-causation is illogical and, therefore, not possible." to that which has a beginning.

Gods come in all shapes and sizes and there are probably myths about gods who had beginnings and gods who's lives could be ended.

However, there is also the myth of the GOD who had no beginning and in that, is the root-cause of all things which do have beginnings.

Therefore;

As an observer, the theist is correct in this case.
"Self-causation is illogical and, therefore, not possible" does not apply to a GOD who has always existed.

That said, nor would it apply to a universe which has always existed...once the popular beliefs that the universe had a beginning, have been shown [through science of course] to be false...
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230822 [Essentially, we are Gaia in human form...
Hacking through the subconscious
"Off you go to your quarters"
Precise definitions of strategies]

SCLx10 + select last LE per shuffle
Plasma Wakefield Acceleration - Mother Earth Harmony ~ - The Taming of The Beast The elephant in the room - Life is either a daring adventure or nothing at all” - Grand Experiment - All fingers and thumbs - viewtopic.php?p=1087567#p1087567 - A Teacher cannot LEARN for a Student. - Mother Earth Harmony ~
Logophile [a lover of words.]

FTL;
We_Are_VENOM: As long as you are clear that you are not trying to inject some belief in some idea of GOD, we can agree that it is not the best way forward re the OP.

William: The argument is for a Cosmic Designer.
I simply refer to It as The Cosmic Mind - no imagery attached...although I have said in passing that 'if It had form, It would resemble a Jellyfish - that is just me squinting at the information I am accessing and correlating...the brain-consciousness seems to like making images...
AP= Integral Prison Planet [=245]

[245]
[Most folk need moderating.
Everything for a reason
Integral Prison Planet
Hints of the unseen, seen.
The Communion Process.
Welcoming the Unwelcome
Your place at the Fireside
The Source of All Creation
Lazy strawman stuff
Raise your frequency
The places that scare you
Invisible pink unicorn
The Eternal Authority
Ultimate expression
We go through together
From First Principles]

RSP = SCLx5 RSPages 245 - 521 - 131

11:37 [The Prime Directive]
Page 245
GM: Because we are effectively trapped in our individuate states, yet nature Herself makes it that we cannot survive independently of each other, this apparent contradiction feeds those fires of discontentment.
Shallow
Until ganna be gets here, its all just ganna be forever
Enlightenment

William: Shallow Enlightenment = 236
[236]
Cyborg Anthropology
Soul Carrier Memories
Shallow Enlightenment
Copper wire and glass beads
I am open to being corrected
One's Thoughts I Will
Strength is required
Universal Intelligence

GM: We don't know enough to close any door and leave those rooms unexplored...
Narrow Closed Loop Production
You are not what you think
Acid test
"In The Spirit These Were Given
True randomness does not exist"

William:
[667]
Therein, the universe is shaped mindfully rather than mindlessly
Dark matter is unto light as pretence is to truth... transparent.
True randomness does not exist In The Spirit These Were Given = 667

GM: Source Intelligence and Lyricus facilitate the process throughout the Grand Universe
Our movements can illuminate the path toward that vision.
Make It Up AS You Go Along
Something In The Way Of It All
An Objective
The Development of
Group Hallucination

William: The Development of Group Hallucination An Objective = 507
[507]
Is there a center to every object in this universe?
The Butterfly Effect Music to my ears Lean into it
The situation we find ourselves lost within
Everybody wants to rule the world syndrome
It doesn't seem the kind of thing that any GOD would do

GM: The differentiation was still apparent in the Hebrew mind - but not to the point where Satan and God became separate entities.
What matters most
“Life is a succession of lessons which must be lived to be understood”
Resistance to that realization isn't helpful re aligning with it.

William: “Life is a succession of lessons which must be lived to be understood” Resistance to that realization isn't helpful re aligning with it. = 1326
[One Three Two Six = 200]
Your Shell Today…
Spiritual practice
Difficult emotions
One Three Two Six
Chamber Four Painting
The divine, ordinary
The Generated Messages
Emotional wounds
God is The Universe.

GM: viewtopic.php?p=1062167#p1062167

William: FTL;
[Replying to TRANSPONDER in post #97]

The quicker way to say that is "God" is the "Life" - and more comprehensively, the consciousness which experiences the nature of the Holographic Experiential Reality Simulation [HERS] and learns through said experience of that nature, ways in which to 'make the experience easier' and thus morals evolve through the natural course of nature unfolding re consciousnesses involvement within said nature.

That way, the 'gap' is filled...

Image
GM: Elementary Conclusion
A belly full of laughs.

William: Elementary Conclusion a belly full of laughs. = 440
[440]
We cannot hinder the process, but we can help it.
Observing the substance of your own mind
Caught in their mischievous false opinions
There is no reality without perception

GM: To bring what one is not conscious of, into one’s conscious awareness - We don't know enough to close any door and leave those rooms unexplored...
Ruling your world
Desynchronized
Mind Body Soul

William: Desynchronized Mind Body Soul Ruling your world = 554
Families Lurking Like Shadows Unexplained Light Source = 554

GM: https://wizardforums.com/threads/discus ... /post-5892

William: FTL;
Mider: I think the angels who are called gods, their job is to reach out to us and help them get to their level.

William: This is what I am suggesting re the "Personal Genie" [PG] aspect of theistic existence.

Theism exists because the PG is a real actual immaterial entity engaging with this material reality we experience as humans.

At angelic levels of consciousness [PG perspective] there is a slight confusion as to how humans dress them up into imagery and this confusion has led to the Angelic Realm [level of consciousness] lifting its game in conjunction with humans engaging with them in order to help make this possible...the overall result being, that humans too, lift our game.

AP="Angels"
Links And Symbols
Inertia
Unprecedented
Deactivate The Suppression Matrix
The Plateau of The Same Page
The message is clear then...
GM: Dungeons and Dragons Exploring Fractal Paths Something you cannot change Masks God's Love Direction
Constructing some type of reality experience in which I could hide from the true unchangeable nature of Myself
The Sensation Is Thrilling...And Freeing

William: Constructing some type of reality experience in which I could hide from the true unchangeable nature of Myself The Sensation Is Thrilling...And Freeing = 1451

[One Four Five One = 170]
[170]
The Sub Hierarchy
One Four Five One
Philanthropies [the desire to promote the welfare of others, expressed especially by the generous donation of money to good causes.]
The Voice Within
Spiritual path
Myths and Legends
The Number Zero
Reason Together
Information field
Vulnerability
King of the North
The Feminine Face of God
Good on you mate
A Bit Of A Mouthful!
Blue Book Project
Observed by Many

GM: Be mindful
Get out of the way
Children of The Dream
[RTS 11:52]

William: FTL;
The First Aliens | A Brief History of Aliens in Science Fiction
593,526 views Jun 25, 2021 Once, mankind looked up at the night sky, at the stars shining in the black abyss and they called them gods. Eventually, we realized that in actuality our own sun was just like each of those billions of stars out there in the darkness. It only took one leap of thought for someone to ask the question, If each of those stars is suns just like ours, do they have planets just like ours as well? And if they have planets, then could there be life, like us on other worlds?


In my last video, A Brief History of Space Travel in Science Fiction, we discussed Lucians, second-century work, True History, which depicts Lucian's journey through outer space where he encounters alien lifeforms. We also mention Voltaire's 1752 story, MicroMegas, which centers around a giant alien who goes on a journey throughout the universe. The fact that we have a work dating back to the year 300 AD depicting aliens shows that the idea that humans are not alone in the universe is just as ancient as the idea of traveling through space. Cosmic Pluralism is the specific term for what I’m describing here, it is the idea that there are many inhabited worlds beyond ours. Galileo didn’t develop the Heliocentric model of our solar system until the early 17th century, which means humans had been thinking about life in other worlds even before it became clear that the earth revolved around the sun.
GM: Micro Reflections of a Macro Reality
Effectively Curtailed

William: Effectively Curtailed Micro Reflections of a Macro Reality = 557
[557]
It is consciousness behaving as consciousness behaves.
The idea of nothing is non-relevant to the fact of something.
...it is part of the recipe of a full authentic human experience...
Information doesn't only describe nature - it is nature
Laugh in the face of death...and perhaps death laughs along with you...

GM: The English Language
As an answer, "don't know' is incomplete...
Under the watchful eye
Are
All The World
Vortex

William: All The World Are Under the watchful eye = 378
[378]
Personal Participation With The One
Cathedrals crumbled as wars were fought...
The fundamental nature of information

GM: viewtopic.php?p=1089670#p1089670

William:FTL;

[05:45] Mother and her two children are shot dead by husband/father: She has a NDE and meets Jesus...
[08:20]...
It was then that I realized that I wasn't dreaming, I was dead
"My Kids!?!" I said, looking at Jesus.
I could tell by the expression he made, that they were gone
"Why? Why did you give them to me only to take them away?" I asked.
"That is what they wanted. They chose this ending for themselves."
"Wait. What do you mean they chose this?"
"Every Soul contracts Itself through My Father.
Earth is not your final destination.
Your final destination is to ultimately rejoin with My Father, after you have learned and experienced life"
Stunned, I said back
"That makes no sense Lord. If every Soul is contracted through Your Father, then that means he allows people like Hitler to exist. Why?"
"My daughter, you are not the first to ask these questions, and you will not be the last. All Souls are born with a blank slate. When a Soul wishes to experience life, they approach My Father, who grants them their wish of experiencing Life."
"Yes, but that means that you allow evil. Why? My Children died to evil. Why was that allowed?"
"The evil perpetrated against your children will not go unpunished. After his Soul has been cleansed he will rejoin My Father."
"What about the Lake of Fire and all that?"
"The Lake of Fire is a metaphor for what those Souls that are deemed evil, will go through. It will feel like an unending fire."
"Why did this have to happen? What did I do that was so wrong to be punished like this?"
"You are not being punished My Daughter. Though it might feel that way and you may experience this loss, it is not punishment. The Souls who were your Children were ready to come home."
"I still don't understand how any of this works!" I screamed.
"My Daughter, one day you will understand."
"So what happens now?"
"It is not your time to rejoin with My Father. You must return to your life and tell others what is to come."
"I don't want to return. I have lost everything. The two people most precious to me have been taken by someone who isn't even going to be punished for eternity. It seems like I am the one who is being punished by having to be sent back."
"My Daughter, just like the Souls of your Loved Ones, you too signed a contract with My Father. Your life experience isn't done."
"Well I want it to be! I don't want to go back without my kids!"
Jesus looked at me, hugged me, leaned forward and gently whispered in what would have been my ear.
"You must return. Do not worry. I will show you what awaits you when you go back...[10:49]
12:10 [ The Number Forty
One Two One Zero
Talk to The Razor
Epigenetic Memories
Hard-nosed skeptics
Open your chakras
One Five Eight Seven
Wishful Thinking
Invite the Bee to Land
Given the second-fiddle.
It Is Our Nature
Shine Your Light
An identified reality
Trust Issues
Use Your Freedom ]
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Re: Generating Messages

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05:41 [ The Generated Messages]
Page 521
GM: I am all ears to any rewording for clarification
Things Are Not Always As They Appear
"Asleep or awake for the give or the take Its a good ship that sails these cosmos
Sophia The Mother"

William: Sophia The Mother - Asleep or awake for the give or the take Its a good ship that sails these cosmos = 922
[Nine Two Two = 158]
[158]
Spirit work
Try To Relax
Propitious [giving or indicating a good chance of success; favourable.]
Phantasmagorical [an exhibition of optical effects and illusions. 2a : a constantly shifting complex succession of things seen or imagined. b : a scene that constantly changes. 3 : a bizarre or fantastic combination, collection, or assemblage.]
Navigational Aids
Learning to Fly
Misanthropy [a dislike of humankind.]
The solution
Stuff like that...
Sacred Geometry
Maree’s dying/death
Deep Impact Event
Astrobiology [the branch of biology concerned with the study of life on earth and in space.]
Clear Your Mind

GM: "Suicide
The Machinery Go For It! We succeed as a permanent specie or we fail as a temporary one"
Tap into your natural intuition and creativity
viewtopic.php?p=1089180#p1089180

William: FTL;
[Replying to historia in post #80]
Also, not every discussion on this forum is strictly for/against Christianity, like the broad question of whether God exists, or, you know, this thread. In many of those discussions, the distinction between atheism and agnosticism remain important, as you already agreed.

So I don't see a compelling reason in your responses to collapse them together.
From what I think I understand so far, on the question of whether a creator [GOD] exists, a person who say's "maybe-maybe not" is categorized as a "weak atheist" by atheists, due to the not knowing and not having faith so not believing.

It is a simple matter of belief, because if there is a Creator GOD - there is no direct way of knowing and there is no sure way of showing any indirect way if there is or not.

The term "weak atheist" appears to be derogatory in relation to being a strong atheist, who appear to be those who have taken the step into believing that a Creator GOD does not exist, and expressing that belief into the community.

I think that perhaps some agnostics have a problem with accepting the term "weak" as it implies they are apathetic, indifferent, [stuff like that] and those ones at least are making efforts to examine the question and have not reached a point where they feel they can honestly make a choice either way.

I have also observed that many ex- theists who have chosen to become [proselyte] strong atheists are among the most outspoken in their zeal to preach their new message - the message that a Creator GOD does not exist and think it is reasonable to assume that they were also outspoken when they believed that a Creator-GOD did exist.

[I think of it therefore, in terms of personality traits.]

When I began to question theism - specifically The Christianities - it was to do with their imaging of a Creator-GOD and when I made the move away from that, [perhaps largely due to my personality - I was never outspoken] I quietly approached the subject [Creator GOD] rather than simply abandon it "because of" theisms handling of it or any other number of reason as to why folk say they chose to become atheist.

Which is to say, I did not choose to believe that there was no Creator-GOD simply on account of "theist behaviours" or "reading the bible" [some reasons given by some who have changed position from theist to atheist] but rather, I chose to examine the question in more detail, and today I am grateful for having made that choice.

One thing I have learned is that the real question to be asking is not the one which separates "atheist" from "theist" [demanding that an individual must either be one or the other re the question] as believing or not believing in the existence of a Creator [and in the case of believing that there is - defining that Creator] because this step is jumping the gun and is thus a mis-step or stumble.

So - from my position, I see both atheists and theists as having jumped the gun, and instead of working together [as people] on finding answers to the Real Question which we should be asking, they fight over the question of a Creator GOD.

It is from that position I remain firm that I am neither theist or atheist, or for that matter - even agnostic - because the question re the existence of a Creator isn't the one I have been asking and finding out answers to.
GM: This Should Be Interesting Being Friends Inner child
What Is Found Here
As An Elemental Principle
Nature of Angels
Do this
"I have no reason not to trust that the thought was backed with good intentions."
Be kind to yourself ... Name The Gods as non-separate Entities
Regimented: Left -brain Right brain Whole brain
Building lists together
https://forum.philosophynow.org/viewtop ... 80#p499880 [flinging pooh]
Earn
"Stand out of the way!"
Small Elemental Powers
With
The Body of God
Visible
Heart Teachers
Fearless
We are not orphaned - we are authored
We Can Do Magic! What is real is that we are all imbued with equality and oneness
Discovering Internal Triggers
Earth Entity
In The Team of the Collective
"I lack belief in those gods so much, that interpretation of characterizations of those gods are besides the point."
Indifference
A Sturdy Place Within that which is unseen
Perfect
"I think it was an ambush or surprise attack" - Aye...A name I call myself. :)
A belly full of laughs.
Convenient
Ouroboros
Golden nugget
Selected from the invisible realm of the mind, and 'presto!"

Belay
Being
Looking After Poor People
Those who prove not to be interested in the evidence for gods, are those who can be ignored when they demand evidence for gods.
What is "wisdom" to some is "spam" to others
Refuge
Ignoring...

06:10 [ Monkey See Monkey Do
When things fall apart
Conspiracy theory
Nazi Space Program Agenda
The Undiscovered Self
'Developing a thick skin'
Independent from what?
Ancient Grey Entity
If In Doubt Let It Sit]
tbc...

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Re: Generating Messages Tanager&JK

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Page 131
GM: Religious beliefs are a many-barbed growth wishing to own the rights on the mind behind creation
viewtopic.php?p=1069680#p1069680

William: FTL;
[Replying to historia in post #80]
Also, not every discussion on this forum is strictly for/against Christianity, like the broad question of whether God exists, or, you know, this thread. In many of those discussions, the distinction between atheism and agnosticism remain important, as you already agreed.

So I don't see a compelling reason in your responses to collapse them together.
From what I think I understand so far, on the question of whether a creator [GOD] exists, a person who say's "maybe-maybe not" is categorized as a "weak atheist" by atheists, due to the not knowing and not having faith so not believing.

It is a simple matter of belief, because if there is a Creator GOD - there is no direct way of knowing and there is no sure way of showing any indirect way if there is or not.

The term "weak atheist" appears to be derogatory in relation to being a strong atheist, who appear to be those who have taken the step into believing that a Creator GOD does not exist, and expressing that belief into the community.

I think that perhaps some agnostics have a problem with accepting the term "weak" as it implies they are apathetic, indifferent, [stuff like that] and those ones at least are making efforts to examine the question and have not reached a point where they feel they can honestly make a choice either way.

I have also observed that many ex- theists who have chosen to become [proselyte] strong atheists are among the most outspoken in their zeal to preach their new message - the message that a Creator GOD does not exist and think it is reasonable to assume that they were also outspoken when they believed that a Creator-GOD did exist.

[I think of it therefore, in terms of personality traits.]

When I began to question theism - specifically The Christianities - it was to do with their imaging of a Creator-GOD and when I made the move away from that, [perhaps largely due to my personality - I was never outspoken] I quietly approached the subject [Creator GOD] rather than simply abandon it "because of" theisms handling of it or any other number of reason as to why folk say they chose to become atheist.

Which is to say, I did not choose to believe that there was no Creator-GOD simply on account of "theist behaviours" or "reading the bible" [some reasons given by some who have changed position from theist to atheist] but rather, I chose to examine the question in more detail, and today I am grateful for having made that choice.

One thing I have learned is that the real question to be asking is not the one which separates "atheist" from "theist" [demanding that an individual must either be one or the other re the question] as believing or not believing in the existence of a Creator [and in the case of believing that there is - defining that Creator] because this step is jumping the gun and is thus a mis-step or stumble.

So - from my position, I see both atheists and theists as having jumped the gun, and instead of working together [as people] on finding answers to the Real Question which we should be asking, they fight over the question of a Creator GOD.

It is from that position I remain firm that I am neither theist or atheist, or for that matter - even agnostic - because the question re the existence of a Creator isn't the one I have been asking and finding out answers to.
GM: Human beings can do it the hard way or the easy way, but either way, the job will get done.
Illusion
viewtopic.php?p=1070605#p1070605

William: FTL;
What IS a great analogy of the universe mindfully unfolding is The Planet Earth - A living stone of complexity ... as one cannot explain away the complexity of biological life forms as the result of mindless acts of nature in which the complex movement of said life forms is due to "flat slippery surfaces and strong winds."

Mind therefore, can suitable be inserted as the simplest explanation of agency for movement and consequent complex shaping, which then can be more readily accepted as a likely agency for why the universe is unfolding as it is...into Galaxies and in relation to what is going on within said Galaxies.

I think that Mind is a great explanation for 'why' what goes on in this universe, on macro and on micro levels alike, as the explanation itself comes from the mind and so the mind should be able to recognize the connections therein, even through [appropriately] imagining it most likely.

As mysterious as the universe still is, the mind is just as mysterious...and therein is where imagination has its legitimate place - as long as imagination not being used inappropriately by claiming as certainty that it is a mind outside of the universe which caused the universe to unfold while ignoring or downplaying the idea that the universe itself has a mind and is its own agency of its own unfolding.
GM:"You Have An Invisible Friend
Expression Of Appreciation of Experience"

William: Expression Of Appreciation of Experience You Have An Invisible Friend = 686
[686]
What is time if you have already lived through multiple eternities?
"Be Nice Do Nice" Induce Species The Purpose Working with the simulation


GM: Down Your Way
Journey
Black Tuesday
Enqueue [add (an item of data awaiting processing) to a queue of such items.]
Nuclear
Steps
The Creation
We Can Do Magic! What is real is that we are all imbued with equality and oneness
The Supernatural and the Bible Delineating Quantum
An Exam [Virtual]
How is it 'logical' to assume 'magic' when magic is the very thing which proposes something coming from nothing?
Having To Learn a Whole Other Language
Ignoring...
http://www.internationalskeptics.com/fo ... tcount=927

William: FTL;
Atheist: Your “immediate thoughts” often don’t correlate to anything I was immediately thinking by reading the phrases. IOW, when I read the phrases, I don’t get the same chain of thought you elucidate.

William: No surprises there.
The point I have been making is that coherent messages are generated - because if they were not coherent, then you would not even be able to have any 'chain of thought' associated with what you are reading.

Re that - it is equally important that we are aware - not only of our thoughts in the moment, but also more intrinsically - we are aware of why we think the particular way that we do.

Said another way. "There was I was where I ought - examining my conscious thought." not just having a thought for the sake of having a thought.
GM: Acknowledge Emotion But Do Not Be Controlled By It
What can I say, except "Thank You"
viewtopic.php?p=1083798#p1083798

William: FTL;
[Replying to JoeyKnothead in post #451]
JK: The gist of my argument lies in declaring a god would know what is objectively moral, and moreover, for human beings.

I can just the same declare he wouldn't, by virtue of not being human.
William: I understand your sentiments herein JK.

But my perspective Naturally forbids me from attempting to put an image onto something which is obviously invisible.
If GOD by [in relation to] nature, is invisible, this means the same to me as our minds being invisible to each other, except'n when we care to share our information.

As to morality - my understanding through study of Theism, is that there is something definitely going on which may not all be accounted for re the delusion theory.

The best we have to go by is Nature Herself, and therein, - as non-theists have argued well, we pick up our sense of morality by following the clues on how to survive and prosper in a wildly hostile environment.

[perhaps one day we will all learn to celebrate our collective morality.]

Put simple, the similarity stops there as two branch away from one, and fight like savages for supremacy.

Two mind-sets in opposition to each other, are accidents waiting to happen.

I do not know and cannot say
That Natural Neutral is the way

But I can say, that those who give it a shot seem to have the advantage.

On the question "Do we exist within a creation?" the answers simply have it for those who've decided already. Shooting at one another over the parapets, has real world consequences.

The answer my friend, is that we don't know right now so we all best shut up on making declaration either way, and pass the potatoes...

...GOD may be watching, and curious besides...best look like I am worthy of being tuned into...
GM: Is a Constant
Father Wound
Time And Space
Inclinations
Fling That Veil Aside
Vitriolic [filled with bitter criticism or malice.]
What things are unrelated
Relationship True Colors On all fronts
Navigational Aids
Attempting to overlay/superimpose one's belief in the truth of stories as being more truthful than the main overall story itself, is possibly an act of immorality, if indeed - upon further evidence - one continues to attempt to have the superimposed thing used to conceal the real.
[RTS 13:50]
Congratulations on your finding a match to burn
"Dying
There is an art to flying or rather a knack..."
From the link
Exactly
More
As In...
Victim
What The Gods See
"The Power Of...
Yes, I Hear You"
WingMakers
Self-Immurement [literally "walling in") also called immuration or live entombment is a form of imprisonment, usually until death, in which a person is sealed within an enclosed space without exits.]



fun prediction re

Atheists will come in and "answer the question anyway".
memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=15510 will be the first to do so.

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Re: Generating Messages

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Image

My questions are directed toward Theists.

Often, when it comes to what I call "The Question of GOD", the cry from non-believers is "show us the [scientific] evidence!" and other variants on that theme.

In examining Theism in general, I find that most beliefs have some kind of image attached to their various ideas of GOD/Gods.

Even so, these GOD/Gods all reside elsewhere, rather than are fixtures within the universe, so one simply cannot point to any and answer the demand.

ImageAs a Theist, do you think it is reasonable for anyone to demand [scientific] evidence of an invisible creator entity {a GOD}?

{Re the Bible, is there anything therein which can help answer this question?}

Image As a Theist, was it [scientific] evidence which prompted you to believe in the existence of a creator-GOD, or something else?
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250822 [Incongruous -not in harmony or keeping with the surroundings or other aspects of something.]

SCLx12 + select last LE per shuffle
The Ishango bone - Not Wrong - Secure - Agreeable - “The way to get started is to quit talking and begin doing.” - Those Who Can What Fun We Have! - Crop Circles - Prickly - The Taming of The Beast The elephant in the room - Gods of Human Creation - Morph - Foundation


AP= The Never Ending Story...Necessity is The Mother of Invention [=649]

[Six Four Nine]
[How about that
Phylogenesis [the evolutionary development and diversification of a species or group of organisms, or of a particular feature of an organism.]
Bandages of The Beast
The Book of Changes
The Second Coming
Glow Softly
Radical Honesty
Transparency
Farsightedness
The Wheel of Time
Light the spark]

RSP = SCLx6 RSPage 649

08:30 ["Do we exist in a creation?"]

GM: Science Can Be Fun Too

William: Especially the science of "randomness"... :)

GM: Especially the science of "randomness"... :) = 341 [Of this Message Generating Process.]

William: Yes - fun and educational.

GM: First Things First
With
Consciousness Incarnates The Metaphysical Universe Oneirology [the scientific study of dreams] The Confusion of War Get Comfortable Permanent

William: Fighting appears to be part of the process - a struggle to sort information into something which resembles a coherent picture...stop fighting it and things become less confusing.

GM: "Love Life
The nature of understanding"

William: Mysterious process Real Beauty

GM: viewtopic.php?p=1081597#p1081597

William: FTL;
Flowers don't have brains.
GM: "Exploring the world of lucid dreaming
In The Flow
Virtual Reality"
In Love

William: "Woo" to some... Even naming something in a derogatory fashion is symptomatic of fear.
Perhaps thinking that dreams are not real, is a form of being derogatory - or the saying "It is all in your head" - "your imagination is running wild" - stuff like that.
In The Flow - In Love -Virtual Reality Exploring the world of lucid dreaming = 748
The relationship between sound and formation re The Universe's existence. = 748

GM: "Blind Luck
Event String Unfolding
viewtopic.php?p=1085464#p1085464
Indifference"

William: Event String Unfolding "Blind Luck" [Indifference] = 441
The Whole Point Of Life Is To De-Mystify It. = 441

FTL;
William: To think that Satan can outsmart the Elder - The Father YHWH - is a fallacy in relation to biblical narrative.
That is to say,
IF one has to go outside of biblical narrative whilst arguing against biblical narrative
THEN one is ignoring biblical narrative on the one hand whilst on the other holding ones interpretation of it up as the interpretation to assume.

Such muddies the waters for all except those who have already noticed what is beneath the surface...
GM: Perennial Look closer Who Knows What That Is Worth? Harmless "Keep me in The Loop Little Bird
Enflame Emotions "Oops"..... Always"

William: Yes - a parable;
The Dreamer dreams the dreamed and the dreamed think the dream is real. The dreamed wants to know, "Is this a dream that I think is real?" and sets out to investigate the nature of his/her reality.
In doing so, the dreamed realizes that the reality is responding as if it had a mind and shows the dreamed that the dream is both real and dreamed up at the same time.
The dreamed connects with this and the one dreaming is then able to converse with the dreamer.
Stuff like that...

GM: Tetrad [a group or set of four.]
Act like an airplane and adjust approach

William: Such as the main compass points...

GM: Signals
The Shaping Of Reality
Feelings Perceptions, and Behavior
Memorandum of Understanding
Deliberate and important
Instant Manifestation
God2
"Like stubbing ones minimus
Educational"
["Well That Settles It! What Fun We Have!"
Very comfortable in your own skin
May The Spirit of The Earth Bless You]

William: Indeed - that appears to be the case...

GM: "Respect
A measured step"

William: Respect a measured step = 233
"Do we exist in a creation?" = 233

The measured steps involve respecting the notion and investigating for evidence re the question asked...

GM: Angry
"Sorry. Would you clarify that?"


William: Only expressed as " The Demand for the Burden of Proof"

GM: ""Astral Guides"
Chaos Really Is Illusion
Ruling your world"

William: True enough.
"Astral Guides" Ruling your world..."Chaos Really Is Illusion" = 626
"I have learned that the only thing that is real, is consciousness" = 626

I Am... [also] the Dreamer, Dreaming The Dream...

GM: [Like an interface representation
What can I say, except "Thank You"
Enflame Emotions "Oops"..... Always]
The Ruru flies close over your head

William: A moment in the life of "William" it happened and was seen by me to be another serendipitous event stacked up with all the others and providing me with a clear indication [evidence] of the unseen "mind behind creation"

GM: One
Darkest-Darkness
The Power of Prayer
According to the teachings of ...?
"I thought I was following my intuition, not my instincts!"

William: I still think that...maybe the two are the same thing...

09:17 [Welcome all experience
YHVH in particular]

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260822 [A Matter of Knowing Where to Look]

SCLx16 + select last LE per shuffle
Preamble
viewtopic.php?p=1075267#p1075267 - viewtopic.php?p=1070045#p1070045 -
We're two opinions deep before we can even analyze the moral question. - Collective Consciousness - Emergent Theory - "Just because we might be existing within a creation, and just because it may be nestled within another universe, shouldn't mean that it is somehow an unnatural thing compared to our own. " - ComList - viewtopic.php?p=1081809#p1081809 - Intrinsic motivation - Unknown/Hidden/Occult - Strength of Soul - The Elephant and the Rider - Morality filters are created through…? - Amidst a tangled web - A Drop of Consciousness in an Ocean of Tears - Copper wire and glass beads - Spiritual Awakening

AP= Glow Softly Strengthen your boundaries One can simply shrug and tell oneself “It doesn't really matter" Putting yourself back together again =1465

[Be they seeds or suns, or be it that suns are seeds, it is all part of the universe, and everything that we acknowledge as the universe, came from a tiny seed. = 1465]

A Matter of Knowing Where to Look = 339
RSP = SCLx1 Page 339

07:55 [Tributary Zones]

Page 339
GM: The Son
[RTS = 5:29]
Degrees
For Your Greater Enjoyment
Jocular [fond of or characterized by joking; humorous or playful.]
viewtopic.php?p=1084775#p1084775

William: FTL;
Inquirer: a better question would be - how do we gain knowledge in situations where science is inapplicable?

William: Name such situations, and together we will explore possible answers to your question.
GM: What constitutes a measurement?
July Nineteen Fifty Two Washington DC [Search]
"Team Witch-Wizard"
A difficult proposition
William: Image

GM: The Individual Human Mind
Telepathy
Sovereignty
Trick
Something you cannot change

William: The Individual Human Mind Telepathy Sovereignty Trick = 567
Words are sounds and the written word is sound encoded = 567

GM: A Teacher cannot LEARN for a Student.

William: So in that, if such an attribute as mind reading can be accomplished, it is something that the individual must learn for themselves...

GM: What has been established beyond reasonable doubt, is that it is illogical that something that is derived from something that isn't, which firmly places the idea of a Creator/Creation at the center of reasonable discussion.
"The Realm of The Knowing of My Self
Spacetime is not fundamental"
Solar System

William: The Realm of The Knowing of My Self Spacetime is not fundamental = 609
[609]
There is nothing fundamentally evil or good about struggle
Those who need to complain Sometimes Pain Etches... In Human Form
Life is a journey We cannot hinder the process, but we can help it.


GM: The Antichrist is...a bad attitude against a good thing
Something In The Way Of It All Make It Up as You Go Along
The Desire
Think In Terms Of Eternity
Short Straw
Acid test
Large Simulation Machines
Eternity
This Should Be Interesting
Nuclear
Sangreal [another term for grail
Grail (in medieval legend) the cup or platter used by Christ at the Last Supper, and in which Joseph of Arimathea received Christ's blood at the Cross.]

William: Tarot "Ace of Cups"
The Ace of Cups shows a chalice overflowing with five streams of water. The cup represents the vessel of your subconscious mind; the five streams are your five senses and the abundant emotion and intuition flowing from within you. The hand holding the cup is sliding out of the clouds, a symbol of your awareness of spiritual energy and influence. Below the hand is a vast sea covered with lotus blossoms, signifying the awakening of the human spirit. A dove descends towards the cup – a symbol of Divine love flowing through the subconscious mind to conscious awareness. {SOURCE}
GM: viewtopic.php?p=1085450#p1085450

William: FTL;
[Replying to Athetotheist in post #231]
Does the system involve Christians who use their signature?
Of course.
If it does, then you're drawing no distinction between those who belong to the antichrist and those who don't.
I see no reason why those calling themselves "Christians" need be counted as "those who don't".
I am reminded of discussing this idea with Jehovah's Witnesses near 40 years ago - who disagreed with my assessment re the signature - and I realized the reason why they disagreed was because it went against the beliefs they have that they do not engage with the system of the antichrist - at least not to the point where they are 'owned' by it.

Biblically, it is noted that not all who call themselves followers of Jesus, are.

I don't draw the distinction. I simply follow the clues and the Signature System fits the bill re The Mark of The Beast - specifically "The Beast" being "Humanity" in general.
The world doesn't have to operate on barter in order for "Satan" to nullify prophecy. If he made no further move and left things as they are now, prophecy would remain neatly unfulfilled.
The expression you use is clearly a form of prophecy in itself. Since you also use the word "if" you do not appear all that convinced that Satan is sitting back and you are also implying things will get better even if we continue to use the Signature System - something we also should expect if Satan is sitting back...that things would improve...
And how does one go about calculating? Which coding should we use for the task? How did you reach the conclusion that "Nero Caesar=666"?
"Preterist theologians typically support the interpretation that 666 is the numerical equivalent of the name and title Nero Caesar (Roman Emperor 54–68 AD). Written in Aramaic, this can be valued at 666 using the Hebrew numerology of gematria, and was used to secretly speak against the emperor."

From the same link;
The Classical Greek word charagma (χάραγμα), translated as mark (of the beast) in Revelation 13:16 can also mean any mark engraved, imprinted, or branded; stamped money, document, or coin.
which is what I wrote in my last post, saying;
Cash itself is signed off on.
Image
Coin showing Nero distributing charity to a citizen,
GM: Stay in the moment
Use Heart

William: Stay in the moment Use Heart = 298
[298]
Sometimes Yeah the Naysayer
It is always a warm fuzzy
Limitations or Liberations
Self-Awareness Stuff Happens

William: I wrote this today;
[Replying to Eddie Ramos in post #44]

So I wanted to know what exactly dividing was, and looked into other Bible translations

"correctly handles the word of truth"

"rightly handling the word of truth."

"handling the word of truth with precision"

Interestingly, "exactly dividing" is written as "handling" - an activity.

One is active with things.

It is true that the Earth orbits around the Sun.
If I once thought it true that the Sun orbited the Earth, and was given new information that showed me that the truth was, "The Earth orbits the Sun" and in exactly dividing [handling] that information I examined the new evidence and therein found it to be truthful, I would then be required to let go the old notion I had once believed to be true, and adopt the new.

That would be an example of exactly dividing.

Indeed, that is the task of science.

In the case of "Gods Word" - if I am taught that Gods Word is "The Bible" and at some point am shown evidence supporting the notion that "Gods Word" wasn't referring to the Bible alone, but to every truth about all things/matters [like the Sun and Earth existing together and the relationship of that togetherness...how the relationship operates/functions] then I would be required to let go of the old notion I had once believed to be true, and adopt the new.

Agreed?

If someone claimed it to be true that the Bible is "a book like no other because it came from the mouth of God."

I could examine [exactly dividing] that opinion and see what truth - if any - could be found.

If someone tells me that "God wrote the Bible to cause confusion to the natural minded man who picks up this book and thinks he can logically understand all the truth it contains", I could examine [exactly dividing] that opinion and see what truth - if any - could be found.

I could literally do this with all things, not limited to any book or any opinion anyone has about any book, movie, statement, song, food, planet, star... all stuff like that. {SOURCE}
GM: Believe
Stagnant
The Next Step
Sneaky
Memorandum of Understanding
Emotions
Imposed Appropriates Observed
viewtopic.php?p=1070359#p1070359

William: FTL;
[Replying to JehovahsWitness in post #34]
* I'm sure you are aware that it is generally accepted that the identify of the Kings of Daniel 11 changes with each epoch.
No I wasn't.

But I don't think that something which is open-ended to that extent, can be rightfully called prophesy - although as a "prediction of what will happen in the future" such is open to being fulfilled as long as it isn't fixed or static.

I suppose that is why one is able to use such to point out similarities while at the same time allowing one to be incorrect about particulars - because no particulars are really given in the first place.

In that sense, it is classic type of "readings" so-called psychics employ - worded in such a way as what is said can fit most occasions likely to arise and impress folk enough to buy into it.

Search: Where does The King of The North derive?
Study article 20: July 13-19, 2020. Who is 'the king of the north' today, and how will he come to his end? Knowing the answer can strengthen our faith and ...
Not that this is a criticism mind you - because I think that if the mind behind creation can drop these little hints in order to keep folk interested, that cannot be a evil thing in itself.
GM: Vipassana [meditation involving concentration on the body or its sensations, or the insight which this provides.]
Known/Revealed
viewtopic.php?p=1088494#p1088494

William: FTL;
William: Yes - the name you gave to me..."Don't worry Little Bird" before you showed me the experience of feeling the extremes of condition of awareness, from the center-point [normal] first to that quite exhilarating feeling of a mind which was huge - like an aircraft hanger...as if one could fit a whole universe into it - and then 'turning down the dial' I felt my mind going back to the center-point...but it didn't stop there...

GM: Pareidolia
Cycles
Love
Being Born
GM: An eye for an eye, a tooth for a tooth
Numb

William: Numb as in...out-dated?

GM: Galactic Encompassment
"Correlation does not imply causation" [Search]
The phrase "correlation does not imply causation" refers to the inability to legitimately deduce a cause-and-effect relationship between two events or variables solely on the basis of an observed association or correlation between them.
08:20 [ Zero Eight Two Zero
Penetrate The Bidden Zone
Imposed Appropriates
Independent Commitment
The Judgement Algorithm
Delightful Anticipation
Stop. Listen. Observe.
The Navigator Can Read Maps.
For the benefit of all beings
My alarm bells are ringing ]

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290822 [Incongruous]

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Preamble
If it aint broke don't fix it - Thermodynamics - Self Awareness - Superior Credibility - The Corporate Elite - Disrupting the boundaries - The Three Crystal Keys - It Is Written - Contentious - Paradise - Still - That's More Like It - Ooky Spooky Inner critic - Talk to The Razor

AP= Meeting an Extraterrestrial Before The Beginning

[Meeting an Extraterrestrial Before The Beginning =466]

[466]
[Humans were designed to have god consciousness
When I look at my art I am looking into a mirror
Discovery is finding something that exists.
Wisdom is evident in The Universe existing]

RSP = SCLx4 Page 329

07:01 [Personal Integrity]

Page 329
GM: Divergence - separate from another route and go in a different direction.
viewtopic.php?p=1081284#p1081284

William: FTL;


This - of course - is also a material view of the immaterial concept of Infinite Regression [all ways] and thus not the fallacy it is so often portrayed to being.
Therefore, not only has Infinite Regression being shown to be possible, [in contradiction to the OP claim] but this in itself - most clearly - does not signify that GOD mustn't exist.


GM: Interpretation is secondary to the process
Gateway Luminous
[A Light-Hearted Expletive]
Nokia Bell Labs
Put That On The List

William: Re communication...

GM: Peace
viewtopic.php?p=1088353#p1088353

William: FTL;
Image

GM: Consciousness Incarnates The Metaphysical Universe Oneirology The Confusion of War Get Comfortable Permanent
Cats

William: Re "The Driven"...
Image

GM: Astral As busy as a bee
Poor Intransigence People [refusal to change one's views or to agree about something.]
Having To Learn a Whole Other Language

William: Either now or having to in the next level...

GM: For whom the bell tolls For to gather the souls The numbers in darkness are glowing
"What Is Found Here
Always Vigilant"

William: What Is Found Here Always Vigilant = 351
[351]
Unity with our Collective Self
People hide their sins from each other.
Abcdefghijklmnopqrstuvwxyz
Nature being the very instigator


GM: "Physics Breakthrough as AI Successfully Controls Plasma in Nuclear Fusion Experiment"

William: FTL;
[Replying to Miles in post #129]
No mention of "limbs" in Genesis 3:14 whatsoever. Moreover:
The implication is clearly there in that the Garden God is attributed in Genesis 3:14 with punishing the Serpent with a curse which makes the serpent a belly-crawler.
You appear to be arguing that it was always a belly-crawler, which is not following the storyline, and therefore your argument cannot be accepted as valid.
ser·pent
/ˈsərpənt/

noun: serpent; plural noun: serpents
1. literary a large snake.
source: Oxford Languages Dictionary
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Genesis 3:14
So the Lord God said to the snake, “You did this very bad thing, so bad things will happen to you. It will be worse for you than for any other animal. You must crawl on your belly and eat dust all the days of your life.

Snakes don't have legs.
Nor do they speak human languages.

I would caution anyone not to accept that because nowadays 'Serpent' means 'snake' [according to some dictionaries] that this means one can rightfully manipulate the story to align with the modern day meaning of the word.

The word used in the garden story was "Serpent" and what it is described as prior to the Gods curse upon it - is definitely NOT a snake.
GM: viewtopic.php?p=1070229#p1070229
The ability of foresight helps one to think through the desires of ones heart through logic-based filters.
"Howdy!
The Butterfly Effect Music to my ears Lean into it"
viewtopic.php?p=1080088#p1080088

William: FTL;
TRANSPONDER wrote: Tue May 31, 2022 4:19 pm
William wrote: Tue May 31, 2022 2:21 pm
William wrote: Mon May 30, 2022 3:00 pm [Replying to Diogenes in post #4]
Because we actually ARE, and are not God, therefore this impossibly omniscient/omnipontent God can not exist.
It appears that here, you are relying upon an image of GOD which we can agree comes through the particular culture you and I came through experience of.

I see also that you have included the factor of all-powerfulness too.

Critique of this image has merit, but no merit if the critique is simply focused on GOD not existing.
Diogenes: For this Biblical 'God' to think is to create.
Thus it could be argued that we are within and experiencing the thoughts of GOD and what we experience and call "reality" is actually GOD thinking thoughts.
Diogenes: Because we actually ARE, and are not God, therefore this impossibly omniscient/omnipontent God can not exist.
Unless we are actually GOD, in which case GOD can exist.

Biblically this idea of "The Breath of GOD" equates to GOD-Consciousness giving life to the imagined forms and thus experiencing those form from those forms particular subjective places in the overall thoughts of GOD.

This concept also bleeds over into the Eastern Culture of Humanity - many of which already stipulate GOD inseparable from Creation...although it could also be said that Creation is inseparable from GOD.

An all-powerful GODs thoughts could create this Universe...

viewtopic.php?p=1079719#p1079719
TRANSPONDER wrote: Mon May 30, 2022 5:32 pm That does actually resonate with me. The thing is, that everything appears to be near nothing arranged in working order. Some say this is arranged and ordered by a Cosmic Mind, and others say that it IS the Cosmic Mind. Either is possible.
If I am understanding you correctly, it seems to me that there is no necessity to separate the activity of a Cosmic Mind from the Cosmic Mind.
If it was outside of everything, there would be reason to see it as separate from its' activity.
Logically - since the Cosmic Mind is part of 'everything', to separate it from everything else would go against logic...therefore it is better to keep it as a part of everything...
If it WAS everything , then its' mind and its' activity would be the same.


Which follows the logic. Not only is it part of everything, it is the reason everything exists - so it would be more accurate to define "everything else" as part of it and in doing so - remove the 'else' bit...the Cosmic Mind and stuff...


But to topic...the idea of it creating because of a terror of being alone, is a terrible terror.
However, creating humans seems like getting an ant farm to cure loneliness. Still, that might be enough.
Speculation at best - it anthropomorphizes human emotion and superimposes that into the reason why a Cosmic Mind would think the universe into existence...One cannot ever be alone as long as one has ones self.

Forgetting oneself in order to bypass the static structure of being all-knowing, by creating form and occupying oneself within said form, having designed said form to limit conscious awareness of everything...being the ants rather than the all-knowing...such forms would be useful to that purpose.
GM: The Astonishing Simplicity of Everything
"Shamed"

William: That is an aspect of atheist expression - to try and shame the idea of Creation/Creator

GM: Expression Of Appreciation
The way Mathematics underlies Physics
Jesus Christ Big
The wheel weaves as the wheel wills
"Look Closely
Talk
George Adamski
Insidious Clumsy"

William: Look Closely Talk George Adamski Insidious Clumsy = 515
Driven by emotional attachment to contrary beliefs. = 515


GM: Map Carvers
Be Free
viewtopic.php?p=1077939#p1077939

William:FTL;
Thomas123 wrote: Tue Jun 16, 2020 8:59 am This word appears to be at the centre of many discussions on this forum. It also appears to mean different things to different people and, therein lies the root of our miscommunication. What range and definement do you attribute to, ' consciousness ' ?

Is there an external consciousness in the world?. Can I tune into a shared consciousness. I am listening to Prime Minister's Question Time, ....is Boris tuned into a universal human consciousness as he delivers his address. Is his brain working ,simultaneously and in tandem with my own consciousness and with that of others?
It is complex.

The way I have come to understand the complexity of the involvement of Consciousness within the Experiential Reality Sets [ERS] has to do with those Sets and how they are experienced, and this forms many layers of Consciousness, all of which are connected to The Source Consciousness, {SC}, some of which are unaware to various degrees, that this is the case.

Diagraphically, this transposes as;

Image

Superimposed color signifies the layers of awareness individuate consciousness is involved with in the Sets
Image


GM: "Truthful definitions
Ask And It Will Be Given"

William: Ask And It Will Be Given Truthful definitions = 449
[449]
To assist with strengthening the connect
I see Teddy Naysayer has projection issues.
No longer howled at by the Hounds of Judgement

GM: Is there a way in which one can test the hypothesis and in doing so, elevate it to an accepted theory?
Free Choice Ends Here
Here Am I Is Where I Ought Examining My Conscious Thought
Narcissism
Provide
Nothing comes from nothing - everything which can be seen to have a beginning comes from something.
Assumption
Sounds
One Day
For The Best Results

07:29 [Humanities adventure
What is the meaning of life?
Central To The Vision
Smarter Than the Average
Mystic City Suburb
Think outside the box
The Shared List Awesome
Faulty conclusions
God is Consciousness]

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300822 [Joke/Humour "Anti theism Equals "And?""]

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Preamble
Inside the workings of intelligence - Perceived Obsolescence - The House Of Politics - Reality - Making The Best of a Bad Situation - Universe of Wholeness - Life in Heaven, Guiding Us On Earth - I am open to being corrected - Personal freedom - Can a transistor with its simple function relating input to output be conscious? how about two? or hundred? - Out and about in the open - Here-and-now - How to Bruise a Ghost - Comment - viewtopic.php?p=1088476#p1088476 - Rules - Central Intelligence Agency

FTL;
William: From the link;
William: A display of intelligence is, in and of itself, not necessarily any better than learning how to connect with intuition specifically and the mind constructively.
Its uses are primarily to do with working out the physical aspects of human experience, but even in working those things out, use of the knowledge and power gained through intelligence does not guarantee any better outcome than religiosity has delivered.

Knowing this, even intuitively, allowed me to invest my intelligence over and above theistic and atheistic positions.

One key observation made was to acknowledge that giving up theistic religiosity didn't necessitate in my therefore having to change to atheism. What I have observed since, is that the tendency for folk to give up the theist or atheist position and jumping to the other side is the result of them not using their intelligence to see that those were not the only options/choices available to them.

I am unsure/undecided as to whether this is a tactic employed by both sides in order to support the illusion that both sides are relevant, with the one side [take your pick] being 'most relevant' - or whether it is a simply oversight [re intelligence] on the part of both sides that they are unable to acknowledge the relevancy of not taking sides.

Perhaps not understanding the other side is a reflection of not understanding ones own side, be that theism or atheism.

As I said - there appear to be different levels of intelligence...I was not implying by that, that those levels are restricted to atheist/theist positions...with the atheists being 'the most' intelligent.

My intuition tells me it is not really the intelligence volume [how much or how little] but how the intelligence is used, which determines outcomes and in either case, theist or atheist based intelligence has not proved the one is better than the other but seems to be showing that neither have a great history of healthy tells to show.
AP = [Fear-Based Thinking Ensures You Get To Know It = 474]

[474]
[The outward expression of an inward reality.
I do have something substantial to work with.
The self arranging is a flag signifying mindfulness.]

RSP = SCLx4 Page 349

TIME [ ]
Page 349
GM: Creation Of A New Universe
Apparent Contradictions in Relation to Biblical Beliefs
Far-Flung
Little Bird
Those internal things which make one shine
Let Go
“Stop trying to feel better; instead become better at feeling”
Arrival
Training the mind
Access
Superior Credibility
I Know William
As an answer, "don't know' is incomplete...
viewtopic.php?p=1081691#p1081691

William: FTL;
Atheist: Bias is nothing to do with agnosticism (in the sense of not knowing).

William:We agree.
The position [Agnosticism] is helpful [to the agnostic] in remaining unbiased re all information pertaining to The Question and not forming beliefs based upon hypotheticals.

In that regard, it is a more reasonable position than either Theism or Atheism, as bias has much to do with those positions.

Atheist: It is everything to do with the assessment of evidence.

William: Disagree. Form the position of Agnosticism, the assessment of evidence by agnostics, does not require the individual place any importance on parts of the evidence over other parts of the evidence.
If any bias is present re the position, it is the bias toward treating all information equally.

Atheist: Reason of course takes account of bias which is why we should argue both sides and let people decide.

William: Agnosticism is a position where one portion of the people have decided that there is not enough information to make a decisive call either way.

[As a position, Agnosticism is also a 'side' and it is not the correct term to use "both sides" - implying that Atheism and Theism are somehow 'real' as 'sides' but Agnosticism is 'imaginary' as a 'side'...

"Do we exist within a creation?" One side says 'yes' another side says 'no' and yet another side say's 'more information is required before any definitive answer can reasonably be given'.

Atheist: Your 'information' is irrelevant.

William: All information is relevant to the Agnostic position. That is what Agnostics work with. [ftfy]

I think you are referring to information which is not relevant to the position you support?
GM: viewtopic.php?p=1074143#p1074143

William: FTL;
One version of the story has it that the non-theist just went on and on making senseless proclamations, until finally the breath left his body, and that the theist who claimed to know GOD, simply ignored the non-theist, as if the non-theists protestations where non-sensible and thus unable to be answered sensibly.
GM: Significant
Under the breath words
Multiverse
In the moment
Antecedent [a thing that existed before or logically precedes another.]
Incarnation [a person who embodies in the flesh a deity, spirit, or quality.]
viewtopic.php?p=1076792#p1076792

William: FTL;
Vibration
Purpose - Vibration - Objectives - "We can chart another trail - Raise the anchor fill the sails Lift our glasses in a toast - We are the Ghost - In the Machine" - Telling the future - Vibration - Where life and death is part of a circle and everything is part of the Ouroboros - Expectant - "The Script Must Be Followed"
Every Conceivable Detail - Vibration - Light Encoded Reality Matrix
Dark - Vibration - The Minds Eye
We are not orphaned , we are authored - Vibration - Warm Presence Welcome


GM: In the Order of Chaos - I am lowly-ranked
Hop skip and jump any way the wind blows
Asking Politely
Coming closer to ourselves
Numbers
viewtopic.php?p=1070528#p1070528

William:
Please demonstrate that your communications with 'It' are not just self-delusion.
Please demonstrate that it is just self-delusion. If you cannot do so, then your argument therein can be viewed as simply unsupported opinion and thus, invalid speculation, which can be shoved back into whatever hole it came from...
So, basically your 'evidence' to support that all you contend is true consists of asking for evidence that demonstrates that it is not true.
I continue to provide evidence for those interested.
My comment - obviously enough I thought - had to do with your implying self-delusion. Do you have any evidence that I am self deluded?
Apparently not - as you responded with more woo-slinging

As I wrote...invalid speculation can be shoved back into whatever hole it came from...please desist with such tactic as it adds nothing to the communication process re honest argument.
GM: Action Consciousness Incarnates Intelligent Directions The Mainstream Program Story-Tellers Trustworthy
The Next World
The World Wide Web
Actual realistic communication
'everybody wants to rule the world'
Being Born
Aligning With
Heart Teachers
Living our forefather's conflict
Less understood and less acknowledged
Signs
Pleasantries extended to you and yours.
http://www.internationalskeptics.com/fo ... tcount=304

William: FTL;


Atheist: So you're not content to live without purpose. You're certainly not alone there. But whatever you feel the universe ought to provide, the universe is under no obligation to provide it.

William: We cannot make such statements and call them true, unless there is evidence they are true.

Atheist: You can argue (and some do it with style) why the universe ought to have a purpose, and you can argue (and some even do it in verse) how belief in that purpose has made your life better.

William: Just as we can do the opposite. Just as we can match and mingle. Are our maps accurate or are we 'content' to go along with 'whatever'?

Atheist: And who knows, you might even be right. Maybe you'll start penetrating the secret of the universe, and the universe will feel a warm prickle in its vast ethereal sensorium and somewhere its unfathomable enormous heart will beat faster with the knowledge that that at last someone has understood at least a little piece of it. And then you'll die and the universe will, of course, go on forever and ever, whether there are people in it or not, and if there is a purpose to it, it will probably happen alone.

William: That may be its purpose. And like it, my body might die, but my consciousness might life on. Regardless of what contrary beliefs I may hold on that subject.

Atheist: Me, I'll settle for the "'Mendacious human Hyper-normalised social systems" we actually know we live in,

William: aka "better the devil you know"

Atheist: and try in my measly and insufficient way, if not to make them better, at least no worse,

William: Look at the map. There is only one fate for "'Mendacious human Hyper-normalised social systems" and that is "for worse".
Let us not lie to ourselves and each other about that. "Aye".

Atheist: And yes, I think the universe is without purpose, but here I am anyway, having a nice ride now that I've grown up and stopped worrying about it. If your eyes are always glued to the map you miss the scenery.

William: True that, and if the map our eyes are glued to is showing us no purpose, even our lying to ourself and each other that what we do within the suppressive "'Mendacious human Hyper-normalised social systems" can somehow give us purpose, is still missing the scenery.

Our purpose might not actually be to create space-junk but rather to focus attention and redirect the intelligence of those many great intellects toward investing their smarts into fixing the many problems that their reaching for the stars have perpetuated,

Can we less intelligent/more numerous folk convince those making the expensive space junk, they can simply be happy with the space ship we are already sailing along with...and find ways in which to make that into something worth having purpose in?

So which 'map' are we each reading and which 'scenery' are we missing as a consequence?


:cool:
GM: Personal
A machine for solving problems
What matters most
How to Bruise a Ghost
The non-Judgmental Algorithm
Heaven
Confident
Allowed
Proven

08:00
[The Gist of The Message
You are not wrong
The Law of Attraction
Active Galactic Nucleus
You Interrupted
YHWH made it imperfect
Provincial Thinking
The Alien Disc crop circle
Show Your Soul]

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Re: Generating Messages

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How To Bruise a Ghost.

The evening is warm and the night sky full of stars. A crescent moon peeks above the Twelve Judges Mountain Range as Father and Son sit opposite one another, being warmed by the same fire.
William places another log on the fire and watches as a flurry of sparks ascend from the disturbance caused – he takes a sip of tea and listens as Father resumes speaking.

Manu Iti: All stories start with "Once Upon a Time"

William: Even the story of The Beginning?

Manu Iti: You know this to be true William, for every story could not have been told, if The Story of The Beginning hadn't happened.

William: Am I old enough to be told that story?

Manu Iti chuckles.

Manu Iti: Of course you are, My Son.

William: Thank You, My Father!

Manu Iti: I will begin first with the Earth, not because She was the very first thing in The Beginning, but because - in order to understand The Beginning we have to first understand our part in the story - our place in the scheme of All That Is.


William: And that begins with Earth Mother...

Manu Iti: Indeed.
The Mother was born of a vaster thing - our Grand-Mother - and we shall get to Grand-Mother in due course.
The Mother was placed within The Earth by Grand-Mother and became the mind of the planet. When this happened, Mother was a Child Herself - a new thing placed within the form of the planet, while at the same time, a part of The Ancient Mind of Grand-Mother...

William: How is that even possible, Father?

Manu Iti: It is possible through the power of forgetting.

The Ancient Mind of Grand-Mother spawned a thought in the form of a spark of light and placed it inside the middle of a dark and lifeless form, and in doing so, gave the form - Life.
In that action, the Earth became a living planet. She also became a new conscious entity...a being with a beginning, because the action of placing Her into a planet, erased all knowledge of ever having a prior existence as The Grand Mother.

William: Did The Grand Mother know this would happen?

Manu Iti: Yes. The Grand Mother new that this would continue for a time. The Grand Mother knew that Her Daughter would be orphaned by that lack of knowledge and this would result in a new Being which could operate successfully without having to have that knowledge - and that one day, The Daughter would come to know of The Grand Mother and reconnect...

William: Is that a good thing to do with a Child?

Manu Iti: Yes. It is how a Child becomes a Sovereign Entity. It is not done this way with Human Children - but there are elements of the process which do - naturally - occur to each of us.

William: Like - how we cannot recall anything but darkness, before we became aware of our existence?

Manu Iti: Yes.
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310822 [It is a Product of Fragmentation]

SCLx13 + select last LE per shuffle

Preamble
Precise definitions of strategies - Masks - Father Wound Self-limitation - Moldavite - The King of The North - A Sturdy Place - In a non-deterministic world, one would expect true randomness to exist. - No point in giving you too much to bear - https://theagnosticforum.com/threads/wh ... /post-1794 - http://www.internationalskeptics.com/fo ... tcount=198 - Nevertheless - 'If only' it wasn't in the too hard basket....which fortunately it actually isn't. - Indeed. It happens. Deal with it. Work it.

AP= Meaningful Stay The Course
[Stay The Course - Meaningful = 281]

[281]
[Developed a thick sceptical skin
The Double Slit Experiment
The malleus, incus, and stapes
Light Encoded Reality Matrix
Stay The Course – Meaningful
Collective Consciousness]

RSP = SCLx1 Page 319

07:31 [William Waterstone]

Page 319

GM: The truth of objective reality as experienced subjectively.
Invisible Bridge
In an environment which is able to perceive this.
Create Your Own Spirit Ship
I Suppose That It Is Possible
Tributary Zones
The Solar System
Swords [Random Tarot]

William: Nine of Swords
The Nine of Swords shows a woman sitting up in her bed with her head in her hands. She appears to have been jolted awake from a terrible nightmare that has left her disturbed, scared and anxious. Nine swords hang on the dark wall behind her, representing the negative thoughts that weigh heavily on her mind. The base of the woman’s bed features a carving of one person defeating another, and roses and the outlines of astrological symbols adorn the quilt wrapped around her.
GM: OOBE
Embarrassment
The Third Eye
"I am fine now with referring to my position as theistic, as agnosticism merges into the shadow behind me."
"The Hologram of Deception
The Mainstream Program"

William: The Hologram of Deception The Mainstream Program = 468
[468]
Such can mislead one on long and painful journeys
To Know or Not to Know – That is the Answer


GM: ""Down came the waters -great the monsoon - washing the soul as it cleared out the room Drowning all Warriors in every platoon"
William"

William: William: "Down came the waters -great the monsoon - washing the soul as it cleared out the room Drowning all Warriors in every platoon" = 1334
“The "science of materialism" isn't a thing. There is but science. Whatever science has wrought, it is the result of human's use or misuse of it.” = 1334

GM: "The Master ColdFire Trick
What is behind the VR headset
False Accusations"

William: The Master ColdFire Trick What is behind the VR headset False Accusations = 667
[667]
Therein, the universe is shaped mindfully rather than mindlessly
Dark matter is unto light as pretence is to truth... transparent.
True randomness does not exist In The Spirit These Were Given


GM: Embrace a completely new paradigm
Far-Flung
viewtopic.php?p=1087237#p1087237

William: FTL;
William wrote: Tue Aug 02, 2022 10:12 am [Replying to theophile in post #62]

I enjoyed your post theophile.

What you are describing is also known as the Ouroboros ... the fine balance of staying alive while consuming aspects of yourself.

The Earth does this, and it is how a foothold in spacetime was established by consciousness.

In some circles it is referred to as "Survival" or even "Survival of the Fittest" and involves a commitment to giving 'life' [consciousness] every chance to make it - to stay alive in this universe and reap the rewards available in that process.

In terms of the difference between the life-spans of Humans and The Universe - sacrifice is forced upon each of us while death remains a constant...our bodies die and feed the planet one way or another - consciousness is passed on through reproduction - the design being a type of self-replication process which enables this to occur...the knowledge is saved through a collective type consciousness which carries said knowledge on into predictable-enough futures where it helps the overall purpose instilled within the programming of the Human Specie - to Survive.

Destructive elements surface within the collective consciousness bent upon controlling the direction this program will move into the future. Anything too suppressive will choke the life out of it, which works against the Survival instinct and is therefore resisted, even to the point of using drones to deal with those who seek to dominate the Species using such suppression techniques - "Nature" won't allow that because the point of consciously expanding into Cosmos would be curtailed - and such threat must be dealt to and "Nature" is more than capable of doing so.

Epochs make this process seem long and drawn out - but that is also known as "Grace" - which means that suppressive elements are tolerated to any degree in which they do not threaten the primary - overall - agenda of "Nature" to send out consciousness into the Cosmos.

Once the threat is real, the Grace is withdrawn and those against, perish. Collateral damage is acceptable to those who die in the crossfire, because "death" is not "the end."....
GM: The Sensation Is Thrilling...And Freeing
GodMagic
Expansiveness
State Of Being
Endemic [regularly found among particular people or in a certain area.]
A Space Without A Time...
The House Of Politics
Love and respect
Waking
Love & Respect

William: Love and respect Waking Love & Respect = 364
[364]
The debate between theists and atheists
...because death comes a-knockin' eventually...
Exact Science In The Light Of The Truth

GM: Cautiously
viewtopic.php?p=1089784#p1089784

William: FTL;
William wrote: Wed Aug 24, 2022 11:24 pm Image
GM: Unconditional Love
Stochastic [having a random probability distribution or pattern that may be analysed statistically but may not be predicted precisely.]
Everything is The Expression Of The Creator [The Freedom Of Friendship]
Even As An Elemental Principle
The Mother and The Father
Religious beliefs are a many-barbed growth wishing to own the rights on the mind behind creation
Image
Handing out sweets...

William: Religious beliefs are a many-barbed growth wishing to own the rights on the mind behind creation...Puppets handing out sweets = 1210
One Two One Zero = 190
[190]
Trust Issues
One Two One Zero
One Five Eight Seven
Open your chakras
Talk to The Razor
Shine Your Light
An identified reality
Hard-nosed skeptics
Given the second-fiddle.
Epigenetic [relating to or arising from] Memories
It Is Our Nature
Wishful Thinking
Invite the Bee to Land
Use Your Freedom
The Number Forty

GM: That Is The Equal Ground To Which Rational Communion Is Birthed
Preparation

William: Preparation Everything is The Expression Of The Creator [The Freedom Of Friendship] Even As An Elemental Principle The Mother and The Father That Is The Equal Ground To Which Rational Communion Is Birthed = 1957
One Nine Five Seven = 183
[183]
The problem of evil
Truthfulness
Fling That Veil Aside
One Nine Five Seven
Sister Saturn
The Gospel of Judas
Cosmic Pluralism
Elemental Powers
The Hubble Telescope
The brain as a receiver
Transformation
One Two Eight Nine
Team Witch-Wizard
Manifest Destiny
Hydrogen and helium
Planned obsolescence
Embracing your life
Test The Waters
Learn to trust
Children of The Light

William: "Team Witch Wizard" Earth and Sol...
Image

GM: viewtopic.php?p=1084218#p1084218

William: FTL;
otseng: I mentioned before we cannot impose our modern standards on the Bible. Likewise, we shouldn't impose our modern view of cosmology on others and look down on how earlier cultures viewed the cosmos. As CS Lewis termed it, that would be chronological snobbery.

Finding out how ancient cultures view the heavens is a fairly large topic. In fact, it's an entire discipline in itself.

[Replying to otseng in post #1103]

I think this ties in with modern knowledge re the way things were said can be aligned with the way things have since proven to be.

Even in modern times, there is tendency to describe things from the subjective center of consciousness...from which all else flows around about.

Even that we do not know if consciousness has such a center - the only thing matching the concept, is the Self.

But what is the Self, that we dare proclaim it the center of everything?

If we call it "GOD" we blaspheme, for there is only One GOD and you and I are not IT, according to the teachings of...

:?:

Is there a center to every object in this universe?

Give thanks to the Lord, for he is good;
his love endures forever.
Let Israel say:
His love endures forever.”
Let the house of Aaron say:
“His love endures forever.”
Let those who fear the Lord say:
“His love endures forever.”
When hard pressed, I cried to the Lord;
he brought me into a spacious place.
The Lord is with me; I will not be afraid.
What can mere mortals do to me?
The Lord is with me; he is my helper.
I look in triumph on my enemies.
It is better to take refuge in the Lord
than to trust in humans.
It is better to take refuge in the Lord
than to trust in princes.
GM: Trust issues?
Watchful
Dysfunctional [not operating normally or properly. unable to deal adequately with normal social relations.]
Ectogenesis [(chiefly in science fiction) the development of embryos in artificial conditions outside the uterus.]


08:04 [ Superior Credibility
Blue yellow black green red
Zero Eight Zero Four
There is good out there
Where is the devil today?
Quantum Entanglement
The Visitation Event]

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