What's jesus's primary message?

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What's jesus's primary message?

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One a different thread, ostend said:
At the risk of proposing another heresy, I don't believe the primary message Jesus preached was to get people saved so they can enter the celestial heaven after they die. Yes, it's important, who wants to go to hell? But, it was not Jesus's primary message.
Who wants to go to hell? Indeed. Likely no one 'wants to', which is one reason christianity is as successful as it is: fear of hell (throw in guilt and you have a winner, baby!).

That aside, it's taught jesus came to earth (god became man and other malarkey that not every one believes) to be a sacrifice for mankind. Sacrifice for what? Their sins, it seems. This would, again, seem to open a pathway to heaven.
But, if, as osteng believes, that's not jesus's primary message, what was it?
Was it successful?
I don't know of anything else he did, aside from starting a religion which, successful as it may seem when counting heads in pews, it's not difficult to do as the testament of the myriad of other religions that existed before and after his lifetime.
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What was Jesus' primary message?

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Love one another.

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JoeyKnothead wrote: Wed Oct 20, 2021 6:46 pm What was Jesus' primary message?

Y'all quit being all proud, 'cept to be proud of me, I'm God'n all !
How successful was (or wasn't) he at that?
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Noose001 wrote: Thu Oct 21, 2021 3:56 am Love one another.
How successful was (or wasn't) he at that?
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nobspeople wrote: Thu Oct 21, 2021 6:19 am
Noose001 wrote: Thu Oct 21, 2021 3:56 am Love one another.
How successful was (or wasn't) he at that?
Very succesful (nothing new or surprising for God- it is prophesied that 100s of millions received the message). Yet not loving is just part of nature. It's your choice.

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Noose001 wrote: Thu Oct 21, 2021 10:02 am
nobspeople wrote: Thu Oct 21, 2021 6:19 am
Noose001 wrote: Thu Oct 21, 2021 3:56 am Love one another.
How successful was (or wasn't) he at that?
Very succesful (nothing new or surprising for God- it is prophesied that 100s of millions received the message). Yet not loving is just part of nature. It's your choice.
How can you say it's successful with all the hate between races and nations? I'm simply curious as to how you came to this conclusion; I'm not sure we can prove it either way.
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nobspeople wrote: Thu Oct 21, 2021 10:14 am
How can you say it's successful with all the hate between races and nations? I'm simply curious as to how you came to this conclusion; I'm not sure we can prove it either way.
Hate must be there for love to have a meaning, and this is creation. Just like darkness gives meaning to light.

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Noose001 wrote: Thu Oct 21, 2021 10:20 am
nobspeople wrote: Thu Oct 21, 2021 10:14 am
How can you say it's successful with all the hate between races and nations? I'm simply curious as to how you came to this conclusion; I'm not sure we can prove it either way.
Hate must be there for love to have a meaning, and this is creation. Just like darkness gives meaning to light.
So then, in order for the message of jesus to be successful, there must also be hate. So the success of jesus's message hinged on hate?
Did god create hate? If so, was it for the success of jesus? In other words, did god create hate so he/his son could be successful?
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nobspeople wrote: Thu Oct 21, 2021 10:33 am
So then, in order for the message of jesus to be successful, there must also be hate. So the success of jesus's message hinged on hate?
Did god create hate? If so, was it for the success of jesus? In other words, did god create hate so he/his son could be successful?
It's not about being succesful or not, it is creation.
Creation demands that light gets its meaning from darkness.

I am the Lord, and there is no other.

7I form the light and create darkness,

I bring prosperity and create disaster;

I, the Lord, do all these things.

Isa 45:7

But remember, God creates through men. So free will stands.

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Noose001 wrote: Thu Oct 21, 2021 10:47 am
nobspeople wrote: Thu Oct 21, 2021 10:33 am
So then, in order for the message of jesus to be successful, there must also be hate. So the success of jesus's message hinged on hate?
Did god create hate? If so, was it for the success of jesus? In other words, did god create hate so he/his son could be successful?
It's not about being succesful or not, it is creation.
Creation demands that light gets its meaning from darkness.

I am the Lord, and there is no other.

7I form the light and create darkness,

I bring prosperity and create disaster;

I, the Lord, do all these things.

Isa 45:7

But remember, God creates through men. So free will stands.
But in post 119, when asked if it was successful, you said "Very succesful ". Can you clarify why you previous said "Very succesful " and now saying "It's not about being succesful or not, it is creation."? Was it an error?
Additionally, can you clarify what you mean by "...it is creation." and how it applies here in specific detail?
Have a great, potentially godless, day!

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