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Easter Traditions?

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Are there any Easter Traditions that are related specifically to Jesus' resurrection? The Easter eggs hunts, bunnies and pastel-colored candies seem to be a celebration of spring. Certainly, sermons will be preached on Jesus' resurrection, but are there any Easter Traditions that Christians practice with their families that are focused on Jesus?


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TRANSPONDER wrote: Fri Jun 24, 2022 2:58 pm
No, you are incorrect (see above)

No I am not: the above refered to the TEMPLE based festival (which began in Jesus) day on the 15th not the Sedar meal.
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TRANSPONDER wrote: Fri Jun 24, 2022 3:13 pm It makes no difference to my argument that the first day was preparation (Killing of Lambs, In the Temple, ...
  • If by "first day" you are referring to the "first day of the Passover " SEASON" ie The family based private SEDAR meal on Nisan 14, then no, no animals were killed in the temple on the "first day".
  • If by first day of the Passover you are referring to the first day (Nisan 15) of the 7- day temple based festival, then yes.
See post #85



Since the two were distinct in Jesus day and the directives for each day a matter of public record, there is no debate as to what happened where.


TRANSPONDER wrote: Fri Jun 24, 2022 3:13 pm ... Seder eaten on the 15th as I think you said, ...
I said nothing of the kind; the sedar meal would have been eate IN THE FIRST CENTURY, on the 14th

TRANSPONDER wrote: Fri Jun 24, 2022 3:13 pm ... ..the arrest Thursday evening (by western reckoning) or Friday morning (Jewish time) ...
Jesus was arrested and taken into custody in the night (before dawn) not the in morning.



TRANSPONDER wrote: Fri Jun 24, 2022 3:13 pm ... the Sanhedrin meeting (correctly) at daybreak ...
To which meeting do you here refer ?


TRANSPONDER wrote: Fri Jun 24, 2022 3:13 pm ...the trial after that when (according to John) it was the day of preparation and the Seder had still to be eaten.
  • Incorrect, John reported Jesus eating an "evening meal" (that was in all likelihood the Sedar meal ) prior to his arrest.
See post #154


  • John's reference to it being "the day of preparation" is in all likelihood preparation for the TEMPLE based festival (scheduled for the 15th) not preparation for the Sedar meal which had already been eaten.
See post #74


TRANSPONDER wrote: Fri Jun 24, 2022 3:13 pm .... The animal was slain on the eve of the Passover, on the afternoon of the 14th of Nisan

Nisan 14 didn't start until sunset (Jesus was dead by the afternoon of the 14th). The afternoon of the 14th would have been the eve of the TEMPLE sacrificre: The traditions you quote pertained to the rituals of the TEMPLE sacrifices which in Jesus day would have been on the afternoon of the 15th. Your own copy paste states to ...

...distinguish between Passover, which is set for the fourteenth day of the month, and (the Festival of Unleavened Bread; ἑορτή τῶν ἀζύμων, Luke xxii. 1; Josephus, "B. J." ii. 1, § 3), appointed for the fifteenth day.


Source https://www.jewishencyclopedia.com/arti ... 3-passover

See my post : Were the Passover (sedar) meal and 7 day temple festival REALLY on two different dates?
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You do know there were different lambs for each respective ceremony right?




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Re: Easter Traditions?

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TRANSPONDER wrote: Fri Jun 24, 2022 3:13 pm ... (according to John) it was the day of preparation and the Seder had still to be eaten.


DOES THE GOSPEL OF JOHN INDICATE JESUS DID NOT EAT SEDAR BEFORE HIS DEATH?

No. John chapter 13 verse 2 presents Jesus as eating an evening meal which it seems reasonable to conclude was indeed the Sedar Passover because in the parallel account in Mark 14 the same conversation identifying Jesus betrayer is recorded (Mark 14:17-21).

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CONCLUSION : John did indeed depict Jesus as eating the Sedar Meal before his trial and execution and there is no good reason to believe this wasn't on the evening of the 14th as per the bible edict. That being the case then the Priests were heistant to defile themselves for the TEMPLE ceremonies (which involved eating unleaven bread) which was scheduled for the following day (Saturday 15th)
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No. This is just dancing around the problem. The synoptics say the first day was before the last supper. According to what you are arguing that would be the evening of that first day (15th Nisan if it was already dark). John states that the day of preparation being the day of the trial before Pilate and the priests having to stay ritually clean to eat the Passover means that last supper could not be the Seder. That has to be after the crucifixion. That ,and not what kinds of lambs were sacrificed is the problem.

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JehovahsWitness wrote: Fri Jun 24, 2022 5:39 pmJohn did indeed depict Jesus as eating the Sedar Meal before his trial and execution and there is no good reason to believe this wasn't on the evening of the 14th as per the bible edict.
That may be Witness doctrine, but that's not what happened biblically. Matthew 26:17, Mark 14:12, Mark 14:14, Luke 22:11, and John 18:28 all refer to the same event with the same phrase, "eat the Passover." In Matthew, Mark, and Luke, the Bible (even the NWT) says that this happens before the arrest. Jesus doesn't "eat the Passover" in John at all (again, even in the NWT), but says that "the Jews" (18:31) would do so sometime after they led Jesus to the Praetorium.

I understand that there are many human reasons beside the actual text of the Bible for one's sectarian doctrine to conflict with the Word of God. When you present the doctrine without qualification, it can lead to the impression that you think the Bible itself says that when you're actually referring to human tradition.
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pjharrison57 wrote: Fri Jun 24, 2022 10:26 pm [Replying to Tcg in post #129]

What you don't realize is: everyone born into this world is born in sin. From the seed of Adam. Under that nature that only look out for self. Which is under the prince of the air. Satan. The other and only other choice is Jesus. Any other God that is not Jesus is an agent of Satan.
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Difflugia wrote: Fri Jun 24, 2022 8:49 pm Matthew 26:17, Mark 14:12, Mark 14:14, Luke 22:11, and John 18:28 all refer to the same event with the same phrase, "eat the Passover." In Matthew, Mark, and Luke, the Bible (even the NWT) says that this happens before the arrest. Jesus doesn't "eat the Passover" in John at all ....


This is rather a weak argument. John's gospel is not known as a synoptic for a reason: his vision , phrasing and choice of focus is consistently different from the other gospels so there is no reason we should expect him to use the same phraseology as the other three writers.



WAS JOHN' S "EVENING MEAL" THE SEDAR EVENT OF THE SYNOPICTS?

Since John concentrates on the events just before and after Jesus instigates his own memorial, we have to look for clues as to whether his "evening meal" of CHAPTER 13 was indeed the occassion of the Sedar meal reported by the others.

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  • John's "evening meal" is reported as the last Jesus ate before he died; the other writers present Jesus last meal as a Sedar Passover meal given the common elements (See below) we have good reason to believe they are all talking about the same evening
  • All four gospels (including John's) narrate that during this last meal Jesus identified Judas as the betrayer by dipping bread into the communal dish and handing it to him(Judas). How likely would it be that the Apostle Peter and John (who were privy to the coded answer) asked Jesus the same question twice? (Compare Matthew 26:19-23; Mark 14:20 Luke 22:21 with John 13:26). Evidently if the revealing'of the betrayer happened on the occassion they were eating the Sedar meal then John's "evening meal" was indeed the (sedar) PASSOVER.
  • John presents on the same occassion (the evening meal ) Jesus warning that Peters would deny Him (Jesus) three times. A warning also reported by the synoptics as having been given on the night they ate Sedar (Compare Mat 26:34, Mark 14:30 ; Like 22:34 and John 13:38)
  • All four gospels (including John) have Jesus leave this "evening meal" to a garden location (John 18:1b) where he was eventually arrested.

CONCLUSION We have more than enough indicators from John's text that his "evening meal" was indeed the Passover SEDAR meal presented by the other three writers. ...

Does JOHN 18:28 indicate at Jesus trial he had not yet eaten the sedar meal ?
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TRANSPONDER wrote: Fri Jun 24, 2022 8:47 pm The synoptics say the first day was before the last supper.
Chapters and verses please.

( post #85)

TRANSPONDER wrote: Fri Jun 24, 2022 8:47 pm John states that the day of preparation being the day of the trial before Pilate ...
Yes, preparation for the TEMPLE based festival not for the private home based SEDAR meal.

See post #74
TRANSPONDER wrote: Fri Jun 24, 2022 8:47 pm John states ... the priests having to stay ritually clean to eat the Passover ...
Yes, stay clean for the first day'or the TEMPLE based festival of unleaven bread not for Sedar (which would have already been eaten)

See post #89

TRANSPONDER wrote: Fri Jun 24, 2022 8:47 pm ...[the] last supper could not be the Seder.
Can you explain why not without being entirely circular? ( post #148)
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TRANSPONDER wrote: Fri Jun 24, 2022 8:47 pm .. That [Seder] has to be after the crucifixion. That ... is the problem.
Huh? What are you talking about?! Where did you get this from?
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