The measurable impacts of Jesus

[Willum]

So Jesus made many claims that are unverifiable.
That he will defeat Satan and send you to Heaven after you die.

However, there are measurable impacts to Jesus' doctrine. Impacts to the physical world.

He preached that the people of Jerusalem should pay tithes to Caesar.
He preached that the people of Jerusalem should obey the government, no matter what, as it was appointed by their god.
He preached that the people of Jerusalem should not kill people for violating the commandments, particularly adultery, or more applicably, took the power away from the people for punishing all religious crimes.

Interestingly, these all benefit what was then a pagan government, a blasphemy against his alleged father.

All of Jesus impacts to the material world benefit a Roman government that lasted centuries and whose laws still largely govern us today.

It seems the practical impacts of Jesus are to expand a government that promoted him, and still does.

Isn't it more likely that Christianity is a political tool that continues to ride next to Roman law? promoting governments?

[The Nice Centurion]

[Replying to Willum in post #1]
Is this another approach to subsitute the "Constantine made up christianity from scratch!" crankery ???

[Willum]

[Replying to Willum in post #1]
Is this another approach to subsitute the "Constantine made up christianity from scratch!" crankery ???

Erroneous questions get erroneous answers.
Why is it that theists always answer questions that they can't answer with questions?
It is considered rude in polite conversation, and is a diversionary tactic that demonstrates that they can't bear to answer the question.

Answer the OP or move on.

[1213]

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He preached that the people of Jerusalem should pay tithes to Caesar.
He preached that the people of Jerusalem should obey the government, no matter what, as it was appointed by their god.
He preached that the people of Jerusalem should not kill people for violating the commandments, particularly adultery, or more applicably, took the power away from the people for punishing all religious crimes.
...
All of Jesus impacts to the material world benefit a Roman government that lasted centuries and whose laws still largely govern us today.

It seems the practical impacts of Jesus are to expand a government that promoted him, and still does.

Isn't it more likely that Christianity is a political tool that continues to ride next to Roman law? promoting governments?

Yeah, if he would be promoting Roman government, why did they kill him without any good reason?

I don't think you have any truth in what you say there. Nothing that could be supported by the Bible.

[Willum]

Why did they kill him?

Because 1. It lends to the story, fooling the gullible.
2. Because he committed the one sin the Roman’s truly hated, causing public unrest with his antiJudaic religion.

[1213]

Why did they kill him?

Because 1. It lends to the story, fooling the gullible.
2. Because he committed the one sin the Roman’s truly hated, causing public unrest with his antiJudaic religion.

Ok, so he was not really benefiting Roman government?

[The Nice Centurion]

[Replying to Willum in post #1]
Is this another approach to subsitute the "Constantine made up christianity from scratch!" crankery ???

Erroneous questions get erroneous answers.
Why is it that theists always answer questions that they can't answer with questions?
It is considered rude in polite conversation, and is a diversionary tactic that demonstrates that they can't bear to answer the question.

Answer the OP or move on.

Very telling answer!
Just wanted to unnerstand your question deeper before answering it. No Matter.

If you lived in Europe you would have learned, that since Constantine kidnapped christianity for his purposes, christianity was always rolling/tooling with Politics and Vice versa. Pope and Emperor always fighted for who was set above the other. Sometimes they made all out war.

[Willum]

Why did they kill him?

Because 1. It lends to the story, fooling the gullible.
2. Because he committed the one sin the Roman’s truly hated, causing public unrest with his antiJudaic religion.

Ok, so he was not really benefiting Roman government?

No, he had a bit of reverse psychology and supported the Roman government for centuries.
Are you so unfamiliar with history that you missed that Rome spread Christianity?
It did not go anywhere Rome didn't.

Were it true it would have spread well outside its influence.

Of course I mean WHILE Rome was a power. No anachronisms please.

[1213]

Why did they kill him?

Because 1. It lends to the story, fooling the gullible.
2. Because he committed the one sin the Roman’s truly hated, causing public unrest with his antiJudaic religion.

Ok, so he was not really benefiting Roman government?

No, he had a bit of reverse psychology and supported the Roman government for centuries.
Are you so unfamiliar with history that you missed that Rome spread Christianity?
It did not go anywhere Rome didn't.

Were it true it would have spread well outside its influence.

Of course I mean WHILE Rome was a power. No anachronisms please.

It is fascinating, if you truly believe what you preach. There seems to be no logic and reason in what you say. But, I can agree that Romans probably adopted Christianity and spread it, but it was long after Jesus, and the it actually means Romans promoted Jesus, the the opposite as you claim.

[JehovahsWitness]

Why did they kill him?

Because .... he committed the one sin the Roman’s truly hated, causing public unrest with his antiJudaic religion.

The Romans could not care less about in-house religious differences and Jesus is not reported to have caused any "public" unrest. If the narrative is to be believed, je was never arrested by secular authorities and found innocent before the Romans.

. .. It lends to the story, fooling the gullible.

Having your "hero" found guilty of blasphemy is hardly a good storyline if you want Jewish followers; its rather like using a convicted pedophile to attract parents.



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