was Jesus fully human, or was he God in a disguise?

[Ozzy_O]

Romans 3:23
For everyone has sinned; we all fall short of God’s glorious standard.

Romans 5:12
When Adam sinned, sin entered the world. Adam’s sin brought death, so death spread to everyone, for everyone sinned.

Inerrant scripture words say all men (and women) sinned

Look up the Greek, all and everyone means all and everyone

So every HUMAN sinned per the inerrant scriptures

So, here’s the options:

A) scripture is wrong, everyone didn’t sin and is not born a filthy little sinner

B) Jesus was FULLY MAN, which would have to include sin because the Bible says so, or he wouldn’t be a spotless lamb; He made a conscious decision not to sin, and he absolutely could help it (unlike Paul’s claims in Romans 7)

C) God put on a disguise; He acted like he was fully human but he wasn’t ( in which case living a sinless life is easy for God because he spoke the universe into existence)

Philippians 2:7
….but emptied himself, by taking the form of a servant, being born in the likeness of men.

He only took on the likeness of man not his full sin nature, in which case he didn’t play by the rules for us

No Christian has ever honestly answered this question

Let’s examine the premise we have been programmed to believe and critically examine the text

It has to be all one or the other for the story they tell us to be true

The truth is uncomfortable sometimes

So, which option is least damaging to the narrative?

[EarthScienceguy]

[Replying to Athetotheist in post #149]

Not as problematic as establishing the historicity of someone rising from the dead.

Why is that? There is plenty of evidence of Jesus rising from the dead.

The disciples were real people also and they believed Jesus rose from the dead. That is an established fact in history.
Jesus' brother James was converted and believed that Jesus rose from the dead. That is an established fact in history.
Paul was converted from a persecutor of Christianity to believing that Jesus rose from the dead. That is an established fact in history.
The early preaching of Jesus dying and raising from the dead in the very city in which he was killed. That is an established fact in history.

You can try to make up reasons on why these may not be true. But the above are the established facts of recorded history.

[Athetotheist]

[Replying to Athetotheist in post #149]

Not as problematic as establishing the historicity of someone rising from the dead.

Why is that? There is plenty of evidence of Jesus rising from the dead.

The disciples were real people also and they believed Jesus rose from the dead. That is an established fact in history.
Jesus' brother James was converted and believed that Jesus rose from the dead. That is an established fact in history.
Paul was converted from a persecutor of Christianity to believing that Jesus rose from the dead. That is an established fact in history.
The early preaching of Jesus dying and raising from the dead in the very city in which he was killed. That is an established fact in history.

You can try to make up reasons on why these may not be true. But the above are the established facts of recorded history.

So it's an established fact of history that people came to believe something......

All the members of Heaven's Gate were real people who converted to belief in the teaching of Marshall Applewhite. Did that prove his teaching trustworthy?

[Clownboat]

[Replying to Athetotheist in post #149]

Not as problematic as establishing the historicity of someone rising from the dead.

Why is that? There is plenty of evidence of Jesus rising from the dead.

The disciples were real people also and they believed Jesus rose from the dead. That is an established fact in history.
Jesus' brother James was converted and believed that Jesus rose from the dead. That is an established fact in history.
Paul was converted from a persecutor of Christianity to believing that Jesus rose from the dead. That is an established fact in history.
The early preaching of Jesus dying and raising from the dead in the very city in which he was killed. That is an established fact in history.

You can try to make up reasons on why these may not be true. But the above are the established facts of recorded history.

Let's follow your reasoning to its logical conclusion.
Dead and liquified corpses don't reanimate to life. This is an established fact throughout all of medical history.

Even if disciples believed such a thing.
Even if Jesus's brother believed he rose from the dead.
Even if Paul persecuted Christians and believed Jesus rose from the dead.
Even if Jesus preached and died in the city in which he was killed.

Even with all of this, (which let's be honest, is not an impressive justification for believing in something impossible) it is an established fact in history that 3 days dead bodies do not return to life. Again, to use your reasoning.

[EarthScienceguy]

[Replying to Athetotheist in post #152]

All the members of Heaven's Gate were real people who converted to belief in the teaching of Marshall Applewhite. Did that prove his teaching trustworthy?

Do you have historians that you are quoting from? What is the argument you are trying to make? Was Paul a real historical figure? What supported historical evidence are you bringing if you are saying that Paul does not exist?

Most of the arguments you are brining is not supported by any historians.

[EarthScienceguy]

[Replying to Clownboat in post #153]

Even with all of this, (which let's be honest, is not an impressive justification for believing in something impossible) it is an established fact in history that 3 days dead bodies do not return to life. Again, to use your reasoning.

A body can if it was God incarnate. All of history is separated because of the life of this one man. The entire world was affected by the life of this one man. Yes, Jesus died and He rose again which is what the disciples preached in Jerusalem the city in which Jesus died. And there were many Pharisees that also believed and 3000 believed that message at the birth of the Chruch.

• 22 “Men of Israel, hear these words: Jesus of Nazareth, a man attested to you by God with mighty works and wonders and signs that God did through him in your midst, as you yourselves know— 23 this Jesus,[c] delivered up according to the definite plan and foreknowledge of God, you crucified and killed by the hands of lawless men. 24 God raised him up, loosing the pangs of death, because it was not possible for him to be held by it.

You do not believe that Jesus rose from the dead. You are welcome to believe that. But there is more than enough evidence for men to believe that Jesus did die and then raise from the dead. And that has been shown time and time again. So what you believe is immaterial. The because there are more than enough facts to warrant belief.

[Athetotheist]

[Replying to Athetotheist in post #152]

All the members of Heaven's Gate were real people who converted to belief in the teaching of Marshall Applewhite. Did that prove his teaching trustworthy?

Do you have historians that you are quoting from? What is the argument you are trying to make? Was Paul a real historical figure? What supported historical evidence are you bringing if you are saying that Paul does not exist?

Most of the arguments you are brining is not supported by any historians.

If you're saying that I'm saying that Paul didn't exist, then you're building strawmen.

The argument I'm making is that just because someone exists doesn't mean that what they believe has to be true.

[Clownboat]

[Replying to Clownboat in post #153]

Even with all of this, (which let's be honest, is not an impressive justification for believing in something impossible) it is an established fact in history that 3 days dead bodies do not return to life. Again, to use your reasoning.

A body can if it was God incarnate. All of history is separated because of the life of this one man. The entire world was affected by the life of this one man. Yes, Jesus died and He rose again which is what the disciples preached in Jerusalem the city in which Jesus died. And there were many Pharisees that also believed and 3000 believed that message at the birth of the Chruch.

• 22 “Men of Israel, hear these words: Jesus of Nazareth, a man attested to you by God with mighty works and wonders and signs that God did through him in your midst, as you yourselves know— 23 this Jesus,[c] delivered up according to the definite plan and foreknowledge of God, you crucified and killed by the hands of lawless men. 24 God raised him up, loosing the pangs of death, because it was not possible for him to be held by it.

You do not believe that Jesus rose from the dead. You are welcome to believe that. But there is more than enough evidence for men to believe that Jesus did die and then raise from the dead. And that has been shown time and time again. So what you believe is immaterial. The because there are more than enough facts to warrant belief.

Copy/paste to save time since nothing you typed refutes what I said:
"Even with all of this, (which let's be honest, is not an impressive justification for believing in something impossible) it is an established fact in history that 3 days dead bodies do not return to life. Again, to use your reasoning."

What you will not do is address that fact that established history, something you brought up, shows that days dead bodies do not return to life. Why not just acknowledge that my words are true, then preach at our faces if you must?

"Well, a God could!" is not a valid rebutal. It's childish reasoning (reasoning a child would use).
A person cannot fit down a chimney!
Well they could if they were Santa!