Countless Claims to "Answered" Prayer(s)

[POI]

We have countless claims, from Christians, to God/Jesus answering prayers for healing to human affliction(s). And by 'answered' prayer, I mean God/Jesus states -- (yes, I will grant you this prayer request to remove the human affliction).

For Debate:

1. Does God "answer" any of these prayer requests? If not, why?
2. If so, why does God/Jesus perpetually skip the following afflictions (amyotrophic lateral sclerosis, cerebral palsy, dementia, diabetes mellites 1, amputation, muscular dystrophy, hunington's disease, epilepsy, parkinson's disease, paget's disease, motor neuron disease, and so on)?

[TRANSPONDER]

...You need to make a better case for answered prayer than UFO enthusiasts make for their anecdotes of abductions, claims of ET encounters and various photos and videos of unidentified aerial objects. If you can't (and it seems you can't) you should do what we do, and don't believe the claim until they are compellingly validated.
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Sorry, I don't have to obey your commandments.

I trust Bible and believe what it says. But I don't trust you and I don't believe you.

Blind Faith. Dismissive, fingers in ears Blind Faith How refreshing to see it offered up instead of the usual pretence of doing with the evidence, logic and reason. The double standards of Christian apologetics was well known because they do this dismissal with other religious claims, never mind Flying saucer and ET abduction claims.

We know it is really done on Faith and a specific faith, too. It is not me that you have to believe or trust, but the way logic and reason and any kind of even - handed argument works that treats all claims the same way.

I thank you show proving what I have always maintained. Blind Faith is the bottom of all Christian apologetics, and a faith in ONE claim while dismissing all the others out of hand. You think you have won by denying everything. You really lose the whole argument.

But of course if the majority believe as you do, whatever I can prove or show is irrelevant, isn't it? That's what Christianity bets on all the time - everyone will WANT to believe as you do, Bible and Biblegod, and nobody is going to listen to them thar Ay-theeyists That's what it has really been about ever since the debate went online.

[POI]

I just don't believe they have happened.

Based upon your rationale, then you also do not believe that (prayer requests) for cerebral palsy, diabetes 1, and amputees, ever happen. Right? ...

I trust to the Bible and believe it, because I see it to be trustworthy. Random UFO people are not trustworthy for me, that is why I don't believe them, especially if their stories are not logical.

You have missed the over-arching point here. Both the claims to answered prayer and also claims to UFO abductions are both true until proven false.

If answered prayer includes unwanted afflictions, this would also include the incurable afflictions just the same. There would be no incurable afflictions. Where medicine and science failed, prayer would sometimes work. But it doesn't. Prayer is NOT trustworthy.

[1213]

You have missed the over-arching point here. Both the claims to answered prayer and also claims to UFO abductions are both true until proven false.

I think they remain matters of belief, until proven.

[1213]

...Blind Faith. ...

Why do you think so? What I don't see and what do you think I should see?

[TRANSPONDER]

...Blind Faith. ...

Why do you think so? What I don't see and what do you think I should see?

Because...and I get..I think 'we' all do...that the believers don't and can't get how the materialist default and burden of proof works...is that a claim that is not validated should not be believed until it is (1). That prayer works you have to admit isn't validated, because you have admitted that yoiu don't know what is answered prayer or not (God saying 'No') or how that's different from prayers not being answered.

This should put answered prayer in any way (never mind as the gospels say it was supposed to answered - which I admit is unworkable) unvalidated by any reasonable supportive evidence - in the view of any reasonable person.

But blind believers are not reasonable persons. They believe what is unproven - without decent evidence, even in spite of the evidence. And this happens every time. Denial, reliance on Faith and what's in the Bible, or rather not, but what they would want to believe the Bible means (2).

This denial and faith in their own Beliefs, not what the Bible even actually says, as we have seen with matters of the order of creation, OT slavery, and the resurrection contradictions. this is what we call blind faith - faith in what they believe despite logic, evidence and even what the Bible actually says. It is the blindest of faiths.

(1) cue: "What about Abiogenesis?" and 'Faith in science'.

(2) the 'Ghost Bible' (3) is a phenomenon I came across somewhat after 'keyword exegesis' the one shot win, and natural explanation of Bible miracles, which are all interesting but wrongheaded methods of Christian apologetics, along of course with science denial, quotemining and inverted logic, 'my belief is as good as yours'/'that's just your opinion', where science, history and anything in the books is 'just opinion' as we may recall with the inscription on the temple of Medinet habu dismissed as 'hearsay'. Blind (personal) Faith denial.

(3) with 'Interpretation', 'Understanding' and variants on 'you have to have Faith to understand what the bible really means'. The ultimate in faith in their own beliefs, even if the Bible says something else.

And a p.s. We (or I anyway) have seen this before. Long since I used an analogy of a mouse trying to find a way out of a maze, but the other side sees every direction and whether it is blocked or not. We are in fact way ahead of the Theists in their efforts to talk their way out of the maze of Bible contradictions and problems. When faced with losing, they can only deny that they lost, deny the evidence, logic and in fact everything but what they want to believe; that they are Right. It is about their own self -justification.

[POI]

You have missed the over-arching point here. Both the claims to answered prayer and also claims to UFO abductions are both true until proven false.

I think they remain matters of belief, until proven.

Answered prayer, in regard to the incurable, will then remain unproven. How long is it still logical to believe?

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Answered prayer, in regard to the incurable, will then remain unproven. How long is it still logical to believe?

"Incurable" also remains a matter of belief.

And things can remain logical as long as it can be shown there is no logic.

[TRANSPONDER]

Answered prayer, in regard to the incurable, will then remain unproven. How long is it still logical to believe?

"Incurable" also remains a matter of belief.

And things can remain logical as long as it can be shown there is no logic.

Then that's you done and dusted apart from faithbased denial. Incurable obviously doesn't mean it will never be possible to cure it, but it can't be cured by medicine now, and is never in practice cured by prayer. If fact I'd guess the Faithful know what to pray over and what not. Though I wouldn't be surprised if the family prayed while a doctor fixed a broken arm using medical methods, and Jesus got the credit.

But that aside, the other thing you get logically wrong is claiming no logic behind what is solidly logical (burden of proof, you want me to cut and paste it? You should at least know what it says by now). You are deep in denial and have been for quite some time, now. But we...I mean I...are all impressed by your defiance and pretty much keeping the thread (not the debate exactly) going by yourself.

[POI]

Answered prayer, in regard to the incurable, will then remain unproven. How long is it still logical to believe?

"Incurable" also remains a matter of belief.

And things can remain logical as long as it can be shown there is no logic.

Your answer produced a big 'ol nothing sandwich.

Why does God/Jesus perpetually skip/ignore answered prayer for the following afflictions --- (amyotrophic lateral sclerosis, cerebral palsy, dementia, diabetes mellites 1, amputation, muscular dystrophy, hunington's disease, epilepsy, parkinson's disease, paget's disease, and motor neuron disease)?

[TRANSPONDER]

We know what, and why. It in fact works like the materialist default "We don't know the answer yet - but we will one day, and we assume it will be natural.physical and not a god".

Understandably they reason the same way with Godfaith (based on the Bible) as the validated database and textbook, just as science is for the atheists. Thus they suppose they can also say 'it must work as we believe and any Problems have some divine explanation or reason, even if we don't know what'. That is how they think, and of course do not consider any suggestion that the Bible is not a reliable textbook or Christianity a validated basis on which to base anything.

Thus they think that it is the duty of skepticism to disprove the Bible and Christian faith 100% or they are as valid as science. The advantage being they only have to deny everything and the Bible based Theory is still as valid as 'Science'.More so, because Science is only the opinion of men, while Godfaith and Bible is the opinion of God.

Depend on it, once you get that's how they think, all the illogic and denial becomes understandable.