What If There Had Been No Resurrection?

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What If There Had Been No Resurrection?

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Christians,

How would your life change if you were to learn that the resurrection of Jesus never occurred?

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Waterfall wrote: Sat Jun 17, 2023 6:37 pm... something lives on after the body dies?
No, I don't believe that at all. Nothing lives on after a person dies. According to the bible Christ wasn't dead when he appeared to his disciples after his resurrection, he was alive. All, teachings and religious dogma about immoral "souls" surviving the death of the body is, I believe, just so much nonsense.

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Re: What If There Had Been No Resurrection?

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JehovahsWitness wrote: Sun Jun 18, 2023 4:16 pm
Miles wrote: Sun Jun 18, 2023 3:46 pm Isn't that the relationship between subjects and their rulers; they serve the rulers' needs and wishes ...?

That may be the case in this world for human governments but biblically that will not be the case with Christ and his 144,000 co-rulers. Indeed rather than speak of those on in paradise serving their rulers, the Watchtower makes the following explicit statements in regard to service ...
Sorry, but your "rather" doesn't negate what the Watchtower, February 15, 1984, p. 9 said: “The rest of faithful humankind will live on earth as the subjects of these rulers. You can't change horses mid-stream and claim it's the same horse.


These individuals, who would number 144,000, would serve as underpriests in God’s spiritual temple arrangement. (Revelation 7:4; 14:1; 20:6) - Watchtower 2000 January 15 p.16 par 10
Wholly irrelevant.

The priesthood in Israel was just a shadow of a much greater priesthood​—the 144,000, who will serve alongside Christ in heaven. (Heb. 4:14; 8:3-5; 10:1) - Watchtower 2019 November 15 p. 24 par 14
Nice I guess, but again, wholly irrelevant.

The subjects will of course be obedient to their king Jesus and those he works with but the latter are in need of no "servicing" from any humans.
Call them "humans" or whatever you like, but according to your own publication those of the Great Crowd serve their rulers, those who make up the Little Flock.

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Why do we need a Jesus King when we have God our spiritual Father/Mother? And what about this tread...

viewtopic.php?t=40489

Have you not read it...



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Waterfall wrote: Sun Jun 18, 2023 5:04 pm [Replying to JehovahsWitness in post #20]

Namaskaram JW

Why do we need a Jesus King when we have God our spiritual Father/Mother?
Because of the original sin as described in the bible book of Genesis.


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Waterfall wrote: Sun Jun 18, 2023 5:04 pm [Replying to JehovahsWitness in post #20] what about this tread...

viewtopic.php?t=40489

Have you not read it...
I have now. Do you have a question you would like to ask in regards to its contents?
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Namaskaram JW

But where is Christ human body? Stolen and buried? Decomposed? What do you mean by resurrection? That God transform his dead body? Or that God gave him life in a spiritual body in a spiritual world...



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Waterfall wrote: Sun Jun 18, 2023 5:22 pmWhat do you mean by resurrection?

Have you never seen this word in the bible? It seems you have been introduced to Christianity, have you never seen this word before ?

A resurrection is when someone that has died comes back to life.

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What do you have to say to this in the tread...

viewtopic.php?t=40489
And how many JWs do you think have an ancestry that goes back to any of these tribes? My guess is 7 or 8 at best. HOWEVER, some JWs have singled themselves out as deserving membership whether they were from any of the 12 tribes or not. At least that's how they tell their story.
Please read the rest before answering...



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Namaskaram JW

I understand resurrection. But do not know what you mean by it. Was it Christ dead body that came alive again? Or did God give him a spiritual body...



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Waterfall wrote: Sun Jun 18, 2023 5:43 pm [Replying to JehovahsWitness in post #25]



What do you have to say to this in the tread...
So far I've said "thank you" for the kind condolences for a recent tragedy our community suffered.

If you have a question to ask about the main topic of that please feel free to ask me. I cannot read your mind : Do you have a question?
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